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People are certainly welcome to protest Al Sharpton should he start working the college circuit, but chances are good it'll do no good because unlike Milo Sharpton actually does have some substance behind him and has the intellectual rigour to back it up. He's not a travelling minstrel show like Milo is.
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gobbagool posted:Right, and you've appointed yourself moral arbiter of the value of the content of their speech, very convenient. I said "that muslim woman" because I didnt remember her name off the top of my head. I'm sure you're clutching your pearls over it, but it wasn't intended in the way that you'll absolutely twist it because of your sociopathic personality i haven't done any of that, all i've done is break your balls for being dumb and angry, and laughing at you for not bothering to look up her name before you post as if any of us will know which particular muslim woman is in your head. she's probably wearing niqab in your mind's eye, am i right?
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gobbagool posted:I'm unaware of it happening? I could certainly be wrong, but again, still not the point. Holy gently caress you aren't getting paid for your contrarianism? Holy poo poo you're missing out on a business opportunity bud. Popular Thug Drink posted:no, actually, this doesn't logically follow. you can't use some transitive property of anger to say "well if you hate my guy, i hate your guy, and we're even stevens". the entire discussion here revolves around the content of people's speech, not team partisanship, and digging into team partisanship indicates you don't really understand the discussion Exactly. Also holy poo poo that's the good stuff right there. "that Muslim woman" absolutely reeks of a tokenistic outlook where all you care about a person's identity is its use as ammunition. It's good for to look the stuff you bring up up. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Who What Now posted:Because that's how society works, you use speech to convince people to do or not do things. Trabisnikof posted:Religion is protected under employment law and we are discussing campus speech so your Koch example is a non sequitor
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"ehh that islam broad, you know her name, whatever, doesn't matter. she's one of the good ones"
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paranoid randroid posted:gobbagool why do you keep holding up people like Al Sharpton and Madeline Albright as if theyre relevant luminaries of the left as it currently exists. i dont think you know very much about anything. Because Madeline Albright (at least used to) do the University lecture circuit, at least locally, and someone who people on the left might view as bland and inoffensive, like George Will to the right. I brought Sharpton up as someone who is inflammatory (less so than he used to be, admittedly) to the same degree but not the same style as Milo. Make sense?
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gobbagool posted:Make sense? uhh... no?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:sure but this seems to me that the censor most people are mad about only exists in their mental frameworks of 'who will be mad if i say this' I feel the "censor", if you want to use that word, exists somewhat outside of a mental framework, as nobody's pulling fire alarms with their psychic powers.
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gobbagool posted:Because Madeline Albright (at least used to) do the University lecture circuit, at least locally, and someone who people on the left might view as bland and inoffensive, like George Will to the right. I brought Sharpton up as someone who is inflammatory (less so than he used to be, admittedly) to the same degree but not the same style as Milo. Make sense? Now do you have something Albright said that's as potentially incendiary as Will's comments on rape? Because it's not about the pigeonhole they fit into, it's about actual criticism of actual people.
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Sep 22, 2016 20:48
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xthetenth posted:Holy gently caress you aren't getting paid for your contrarianism? Holy poo poo you're missing out on a business opportunity bud. Yeah, you're one of the least pleasant posters, who are you...oh god are you Effectronica again?
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gobbagool posted:Yeah, you're one of the least pleasant posters, who are you...oh god are you Effectronica again? wow, angry AND paranoid. drat
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xthetenth posted:Now do you have something Albright said that's as potentially incendiary as Will's comments on rape? Because it's not about the pigeonhole they fit into, it's about actual criticism of actual people. Yeah, depends on how you feel about 500k dead iraqi kids I guess http://www.salon.com/2016/05/11/col...000_iraqi_kids/ who am i kidding you probably like a bunch of dead kids
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gobbagool posted:Because Madeline Albright (at least used to) do the University lecture circuit, at least locally, and someone who people on the left might view as bland and inoffensive, like George Will to the right. I brought Sharpton up as someone who is inflammatory (less so than he used to be, admittedly) to the same degree but not the same style as Milo. Make sense? i dont think many leftists would care very much about a protest against Madeline Albright, and, hell, would probably join in
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paranoid randroid posted:i dont think many leftists would care very much about a protest against Madeline Albright, and, hell, would probably join in please don't make gobbagool try to think of some other bitches' name for a better example of leftist hypocrisy, randroid. let's just work with what we have on the table and assume, for argument's sake, that leftists love madeline albright
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Popular Thug Drink posted:please don't make gobbagool try to think of some other bitches' name for a better example of leftist hypocrisy, randroid. let's just work with what we have on the table and assume, for argument's sake, that leftists love madeline albright "bitches'"? very progressive
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gobbagool posted:who am i kidding you probably like a bunch of dead kids Comments like that only make you less persuasive fyi
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Popular Thug Drink posted:please don't make gobbagool try to think of some other bitches' name for a better example of leftist hypocrisy, randroid. let's just work with what we have on the table and assume, for argument's sake, that leftists love madeline albright okay, fine, its true, i love Madeline Albright and Iraq sanction megadeath
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Popular Thug Drink posted:no, actually, this doesn't logically follow. you can't use some transitive property of anger to say "well if you hate my guy, i hate your guy, and we're even stevens". the entire discussion here revolves around the content of people's speech, not team partisanship, and digging into team partisanship indicates you don't really understand the discussion SSNeoman posted:The banning of conservative speakers is honestly something I agree with. It's kind of hilarious to say, "this isn't about partisanship, it's about hounding speakers off campus based on the *content* of their speech", when it turns out the main content you and most other people in favor feel is sufficiently objectionable are conservative beliefs.
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paranoid randroid posted:i dont think many leftists would care very much about a protest against Madeline Albright, and, hell, would probably join in OK then, she's a bad example. Perhaps some of you on the left can come up with a name that would be a better example, as someone that would be invited by a leftist club on campus, and be shouted off stage by self righteous conservatives?
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Dead Reckoning posted:It's kind of hilarious to say, "this isn't about partisanship, it's about hounding speakers off campus based on the *content* of their speech", when it turns out the main content you and most other people in favor feel is sufficiently objectionable are conservative beliefs. do i? where did i say that? hint: nowhere did i say that
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gobbagool posted:OK then, she's a bad example. Perhaps some of you on the left can come up with a name that would be a better example, as someone that would be invited by a leftist club on campus, and be shouted off stage by self righteous conservatives? definitely, uh, whats her face, uh, you know, the tall one, with the tits Ddraig posted:Anita Sarkeesian? yeah or big mouth chick, she's an excellent example of women's opinions about stuff
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Dead Reckoning posted:"Convincing" implies persuasion. Are you not defending the idea that protesters have the right to break the law and deny others the use of a public space (such as blocking a highway)? A college lecture hall isn't a public space.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:do i? where did i say that?
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gobbagool posted:Yeah, depends on how you feel about 500k dead iraqi kids I guess And now that you aren't just pulling names out of a hat and you've got a nice complaint that conservatives dislike and liberals cheerfully defend... Oh no wait, you argue like you're too inbred for the Habsburg drooling team, and you've managed to come up with an example of someone the left finds unobjectionable who's massively objectionable to the left. Good loving work. Remember to swallow. gobbagool posted:Yeah, you're one of the least pleasant posters, who are you...oh god are you Effectronica again? You know, considering how familiar you are with Effectronica's rap sheet, I'd ask you to look at mine, but it's your old bugbear, reading comprehension (just kidding, even you could read mine, I'm literally just unpleasant to you and the guy who did literally no looking into who he was defending when he leapt to Milo's defense).
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I honestly think the Chapo Trap House crew would draw protesters on a college campus.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Well, I bolded the part where you claimed the discussion was about content not partisanship, and if you don't think this discussion is about hounding certain speakers off campus, IDK what thread you think you're posting in. well i'm talking specifically to the dude who is hell bent on proving team dynamics at work so if you want to reference a month old op for what i should be talking about instead then i'd like to respectfully inform you that i will be ignoring your opinion about what i should be arguing about, instead of the thing that i chose to argue about, thanks 
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Trabisnikof posted:I honestly think the Chapo Trap House crew would draw protesters on a college campus. well yeah, they are deep state running-dog counterrevolutionary Gulenists, after all
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's odd that there aren't that many people explaining these opinions without openly hateful language. huh What a wonderfully nebulous thing to say. Do I agree or disagree?? I must choose carefully. Not much discussion of the Maryam Namazie ("that muslim woman") incident I notice. I'd loveeeee for somebody who actually knows about it to justify that one! There are women currently living poo poo lives in the middle east who desparately want discussions about women's rights under Islam to be happening in western societies, and Maryam was trying to literally do that, which you'd think the campus feminists of all people would support, but... you don't wanna be an Islamophobe! You wouldn't want the feelings of the literal Islamist muslim student organization of goldsmith's to be hurt by terrible statements like "Islam needs serious reformations, there are serious problems in many Muslim countries pertaining to minority and women's rights. Islam desparately needs a separation of Mosque and state.". What a white supremacist ya know?
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Secular Humanist posted:You wouldn't want the feelings of the literal Islamist muslim student organization of goldsmith's to be hurt by terrible statements like "Islam needs serious reformations, there are serious problems in many Muslim countries pertaining to minority and women's rights. Islam desparately needs a separation of Mosque and state.". What a white supremacist ya know? well, yeah. they're people who deserve respect too, aren't they?
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Secular Humanist posted:What a wonderfully nebulous thing to say. Do I agree or disagree?? I must choose carefully. Looks like the decision to ban her was reversed: quote:On Saturday reports emerged that Warwick University student union had blocked an event organised by its Atheists, Secularists and Humanists Society. The guest of honour was Maryam Namazie, who campaigns against religious ideology, with a particular focus on Islam. A student union official wrote to the society, saying, “There are a number of articles written both by the speaker and by others about the speaker that indicate that she is highly inflammatory, and could incite hatred on campus.”
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Popular Thug Drink posted:well, yeah. they're people who deserve respect too, aren't they? So you're equating Maryam Namazie with white supremacy? What an interesting thing that says about you.
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imitation is a form of flattery, but in this case you can have it back, i dont want it, thanks
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Popular Thug Drink posted:imitation is a form of flattery, but in this case you can have it back, i dont want it, thanks Hey, you wear it well. You're the same guy that suggested that Veterans committing suicide was a good thing, it's not like you can hide from your own posting history and pretend that isn't you.
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WampaLord posted:Looks like the decision to ban her was reversed: I'm glad to see that, if annoyed that there was a ban in the first place. The weird attacks on secular/liberal Muslims from the US and Euro Left is loving bizarre and disappointing.
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Angular Landbury posted:The weird attacks on secular/liberal Muslims from the US and Euro Left is loving bizarre and disappointing. i don't think that's an accurate or factual statement, but if it's your opinion that's ok
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Angular Landbury posted:I'm glad to see that, if annoyed that there was a ban in the first place. Agreed on the first half, and I think that if anything the system should fail in the direction of more discussion of the issue rather than less. It is a touchy topic for very good reasons, but a fuller discussion would only help address concerns.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i don't think that's an accurate or factual statement, but if it's your opinion that's ok It's based on observations. I may certainly be observing some real kooks, and maybe I've been paying too much attention to loud idiots, but that's the impression I've been getting lately.
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Who What Now posted:A college lecture hall isn't a public space. Even if we assume for the purposes of this discussion that a lecture hall is not a public space, do you believe that protesters have the right to deny otherwise authorized and approved users the use of that space?
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Angular Landbury posted:It's based on observations. I may certainly be observing some real kooks, and maybe I've been paying too much attention to loud idiots, but that's the impression I've been getting lately. The loudest and most extreme people on each side get disproportionate visibility, and their opponents only make it worse, because they naturally try to show how unreasonable their opponents are. It takes conscious effort to keep the less extreme viewpoints in mind, not misrepresent them as their more extreme cousins, and to understand that they're pretty popular.
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