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japtor
Oct 28, 2005

Mister Speaker posted:

Last CPU upgrade question, I swear. In preparation for swapping out these chips, my buddy told me to go out and get a tube of thermal paste. I got some no-name paste (It's in a little syringe that says 'Silver Grease') and he told me I should have gotten brand-name 'Arctic Silver' stuff as it has "the right thermal properties" and is recommended by Apple. Is this a big deal, should I spring for the Arctic Silver or will the stuff I bought work fine?
Hell if I know about brands these days, but I'd get a non conductive one if you're unsure of your thermal goop application abilities. Although application is basically a dot or line or X so it's not that big a deal...but just in case you might as well.

Arsten posted:

Actually, changing out the hard drives became a huge pain in the rear end with the 2014s. It's not as easy as it was in the 2012s. :(

And if you get the cheap mini at $499 retail, you don't even get the Intel Iris Pro, you just get Intel HD Graphics, which will make those TB2-connected monitors run like they have a broken leg.
Minis never got up to the Iris Pro (5200) iirc, just Iris (5100). I think the main difference between the 5100 and the 5000 was just some clockspeed, whereas the 5200 was the one that had the chunk of embedded memory that gave the big performance boost. I think the bigger issues with that config are...everything else: the slow CPU, 4GB RAM, spinny drive.

Hold out for the 2016/2017 coffee mug minis :negative:
(Or AirPort tower, or Apple TV box, or the same drat enclosure since 2010)

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Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

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Arsten posted:

The stuff you bought will work fine....most of the time. The generic stuff has a tendency to be randomly useless. I even once got a tube of generic "thermal compound" that was actually thermal paste (which glues your cooler to the processor).

Spend the $15 for the Arctic Silver.

Arctic Silver is not good anymore. Get Noctua NT-H1 or Gelid GC Extreme. Same price, better thermal performance, and non-conductive to boot.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

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Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Paul MaudDib posted:

Arctic Silver is not good anymore. Get Noctua NT-H1 or Gelid GC Extreme. Same price, better thermal performance, and non-conductive to boot.

Mayonnaise performs better than about half of commercial options as a thermal compound, I like to use Miracle Whip because it spreads better.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-mayonnaise-last-as-a-thermal-compound/

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Twerk from Home posted:

Mayonnaise performs better than about half of commercial options as a thermal compound, I like to use Miracle Whip because it spreads better.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-mayonnaise-last-as-a-thermal-compound/

I'm surprised that it lasts 24 hours without any sort of difference, awesome.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Arsten posted:

Actually, changing out the hard drives became a huge pain in the rear end with the 2014s. It's not as easy as it was in the 2012s. :(

Easy is phenomenally relative in this case since changing out the drive in my 2011 Mac Mini made me question a kind and loving God. And I even had that stupid motherboard tool.

I haven't looked at a 2014 Mini so I don't know how much more terrible that is compared to earlier models.

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

japtor posted:

Minis never got up to the Iris Pro (5200) iirc, just Iris (5100). I think the main difference between the 5100 and the 5000 was just some clockspeed, whereas the 5200 was the one that had the chunk of embedded memory that gave the big performance boost. I think the bigger issues with that config are...everything else: the slow CPU, 4GB RAM, spinny drive.
poo poo, I didn't even realize they didn't give them Iris Pros. That's even worse.

japtor posted:

Hold out for the 2016/2017 coffee mug minis :negative:
(Or AirPort tower, or Apple TV box, or the same drat enclosure since 2010)

Well, Intel did it in a regular snickers bar form factor. I could see Apple getting on board with that......for $499. :v: (I actually have one of the second versions of those that I use to do light BS work on and they are pretty nifty.)


Paul MaudDib posted:

Arctic Silver is not good anymore. Get Noctua NT-H1 or Gelid GC Extreme. Same price, better thermal performance, and non-conductive to boot.

That sucks.


Krispy Kareem posted:

Easy is phenomenally relative in this case since changing out the drive in my 2011 Mac Mini made me question a kind and loving God. And I even had that stupid motherboard tool.

I haven't looked at a 2014 Mini so I don't know how much more terrible that is compared to earlier models.

The 2011's sucked, but weren't extremely user-hating. The 2012s were pretty decent in comparison. The 2014s are like rubik's cubes trapped in an enigma and wearing a vest.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


The 2014s are easier to work on than the old 2006-2009 ones that required you to use two loving putty knives just to open the case.

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


I had to replace the RAM on a 2009 company-owned Mini. It was a loving nightmare. I'm not IT, I write software, but it was the Mini I used for iOS dev and it only had 4GB of RAM. They told me, we'll buy you the RAM, but you're installing it. I spent like an hour in the boardroom with my iFixIt tools fiddling with it carefully, not wanting to break company property. Had it half-assembled and ran it across the office to plug it in and see if it boots.

It ended up working out, but jesus, what a pain in the rear end. For how much they pay me, it'd have been cheaper to just get an AASP to do it.

I asked them to buy me an iMac but instead they bought the graphics designer a new iMac and then fired me without cause a few months later.

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Pivo posted:

and then fired me without cause a few months later.

Oh I'm sure there was cause :v:

Pivo
Aug 20, 2004


1st AD posted:

Oh I'm sure there was cause :v:

Ha, the CEO hated me. My coworkers liked me, so did the CTO, they constantly praised how good I was at my job (web dev/iOS - not that hard). We frequently went out together outside of work. Anyhow, I got hired at a place next door within a month and got a 10k bump, so it worked out well for me.

"Without cause" is a good way of covering their rear end, since there was no history of disciplinary action or bad performance reviews. Can't just fire someone "cuz I don't like him" in Canada, but without cause... They pay you out, you move on.

Pivo fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Sep 22, 2016

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

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Arsten posted:

That sucks.

I guess I should clarify there, it's not BAD bad, AS5 is still the same as it ever was, but nowadays there are better options for the same price.

Honj Steak
May 31, 2013

Hi there.
Oh deaaaar Apple really needs to release the new MBPs :negative: I'm constantly ruminating about what device/device combination to get and it doesn't get better :v:

My everyday computer life is 60% browsing, email, media consumption, 30% low-workload applications (photo and audio editing, music notation software) and 10% 1080p video editing and color grading, which I'm currently doing on an i5-2500K Windows Desktop PC, but I want to switch to MacOS and I need a laptop. I'm currently torn between buying a maxed out 15-inch rMBP for everything OR buying a 256GB 13-inch rMBP for the 90% standard tasks and increased portability + building a super fast 1000€ Hackintosh for the video editing which I then could also use as a Windows gaming machine. Both options would cost about the same and I think I would prefer the second if I wasn't so unsure about the reliability of Hackintoshs. I would have no problems tinkering around and reading tonymac for two weeks if I then had something stable, but I don't have any experience with Hackintosh at all. Suggestions?

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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I swear I'm the only one who cares more about a new iMac than a new MBP.

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

EL BROMANCE posted:

I swear I'm the only one who cares more about a new iMac than a new MBP.

I'm right there with ya, bromance brother.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

EL BROMANCE posted:

I swear I'm the only one who cares more about a new iMac than a new MBP.

Have you maxed out the 5k?

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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I need 6Ks.

But nah, I'm just curious to see where they're taking it. I sold my old one before I moved and I'm getting by fine on my 2011 Air because I'm not doing anything taxing and can live without a desktop for a while longer. I do miss that screen though.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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Honj Steak posted:

Oh deaaaar Apple really needs to release the new MBPs :negative: I'm constantly ruminating about what device/device combination to get and it doesn't get better :v:

My everyday computer life is 60% browsing, email, media consumption, 30% low-workload applications (photo and audio editing, music notation software) and 10% 1080p video editing and color grading, which I'm currently doing on an i5-2500K Windows Desktop PC, but I want to switch to MacOS and I need a laptop. I'm currently torn between buying a maxed out 15-inch rMBP for everything OR buying a 256GB 13-inch rMBP for the 90% standard tasks and increased portability + building a super fast 1000€ Hackintosh for the video editing which I then could also use as a Windows gaming machine. Both options would cost about the same and I think I would prefer the second if I wasn't so unsure about the reliability of Hackintoshs. I would have no problems tinkering around and reading tonymac for two weeks if I then had something stable, but I don't have any experience with Hackintosh at all. Suggestions?

Suggestion: Don't build a lovely unreliable Hackintosh. Use Windows 10 if you're going to build a PC. A 13" rMBP will do everything you need.

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

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For those who have cMPs and an nVidia 700 or later series card that supports it, the updated Sierra nVidia Web Drivers now have G-sync support and from the few instances I've read it sounds like it's working. I'm going to get Sierra installed tonight and the drivers updated and will report back.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


nVidia 770 GTX here, got both an EVGA OC AGX and a generic nVidia OEM, works great, but I think they need to update CUDA, one of my BOINC apps says that it doesn't see CUDA enabled (tried reinstalling 7.5.30) so my 770 is only running at 890 Gflops in OpenCL instead of the usual 2970 Gflops.

Sigh.

At least that nVidia Web Driver App from InsanelyMac correctly identifies the driver and runs just fine in Sierra. If it wasn't for that sweet little app being able to automagically check for the latest web driver and autosetting the nvram value to nv_drv=1 I'd have given up using non-flashed nVidia cards ages ago.

BTW, some MicroCenters are selling generic nVidia GTX 770s with 2 GB RAM for only $140.. yeah, they're refurbished, but I already bought one, shucked the cover, got rid of whatever lovely grease they'd been 'refurbished' with and slapped on some Gelid Extreme, it's running like a champ for me doing BOINC crunching.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Sep 23, 2016

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Arsten posted:

I'm right there with ya, bromance brother.

Same. I'm an author and need that sweet sweet 5K goodness... though if I have a good enough Christmas I might grab a new laptop too.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Binary Badger posted:

BOINC crunching.

Are you using BOINC yourself or as a volunteer? What do you do with it?

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


I run a couple of projects, SETI, MilkyWay@home, couple of others..

beefnoodle
Aug 7, 2004

IGNORE ME! I'M JUST AN OLD WET RAG

Binary Badger posted:

I run a couple of projects, SETI, MilkyWay@home, couple of others..

Whoa, SETI@Home is still a thing? I used to contribute to that 15+ years ago.

Bill Barber
Aug 26, 2015

Hot Rope Guy

EL BROMANCE posted:

I swear I'm the only one who cares more about a new iMac than a new MBP.
What's wrong with the current iMac?

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

Bill Barber posted:

What's wrong with the current iMac?

It needs moar gee pee yew and the 21.5" needs to get the user accessible ram upgrade options that the 27s have.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


beefnoodle posted:

Whoa, SETI@Home is still a thing? I used to contribute to that 15+ years ago.

It never finds anything, and if it does find something suspicious it gets blamed on somebody warming up a box of pizza rolls on a Finnish army base somewhere who didn't get the "DONT loving USE TINFOIL IN A MICROWAVE" memo. I'd rather have a pulsar named after me. The one that gets a guy in his one man spaceship lost on the Planet Of Hungry Bitey Things Ten Times His Size because his Galactic Positioning System mistook my pulsar for another similar one clear across the ecliptic.

Arsten posted:

It needs moar gee pee yew and the 21.5" needs to get the user accessible ram upgrade options that the 27s have.

The 21.5" will probably NEVER get an easy to access RAM hatch as Apple decided long ago that it's not worth it to make 21.5-inchers in any way equal/more powerful to 27-inchers, and besides OH GOD THEY MIGHT SELL MORE OF THEM DAMMIT.

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003

Binary Badger posted:

The 21.5" will probably NEVER get an easy to access RAM hatch as Apple decided long ago that it's not worth it to make 21.5-inchers in any way equal/more powerful to 27-inchers, and besides OH GOD THEY MIGHT SELL MORE OF THEM DAMMIT.

For me, it's the screen size that I don't want. Bigger than 22" and my eyes revolt unless it's too far away to read on (plus it don't fit on my desk, even though I can have two 22s). I would totally go 174k retina in a 21.5" form factor and the maxed out processor, ram, and demon summoning stones, if I could.

I honestly wish that they start selling the Mini as an iMac back-end, so that you can select the screen independently and mount the brain bits on the back. (I know......I know :( ).

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

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G-sync report: Installed Sierra, installed the nVidia Web Drivers, and enabled G-sync. I believe it's active, though the only game I don't get ridiculous FPS already under is WoW and it's had some jerkiness post-Legion anyway due to Metal, but it appears to be doing somewhat better, especially with sub-60 fps.

One interesting "issue" I've encountered is that WoW and Starcraft II would default to a low resolution (1024x768) and not have any other resolutions available if the display is set to "Scaled" under Settings (I'm not actually scaling it, but setting the refresh to 144 Hz), but if the display setting is set to Default where the refresh is 60 Hz, all of the resolution options become available. Switching it to Default, changing the resolution to what I want, and then setting the display setting back to 144 Hz doesn't un-do the resolution change, so that could be part of the wonkiness in WoW too.

zergstain
Dec 15, 2005

This survey that came up about the headphone jack, if the new rMBPs are launching in about a month, there's no way they could or would change the design to remove the jack on this short notice, is there?

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Tim is ordering all the factory slaves to go through the cases they've already made and seal up the headphone jacks.

Weedle
May 31, 2006




zergstain posted:

This survey that came up about the headphone jack, if the new rMBPs are launching in about a month, there's no way they could or would change the design to remove the jack on this short notice, is there?

Apple does surveys like that all the time about how much you use this or that component or feature. It doesn't necessarily indicate any plans to change whatever they're asking about.

ShadeofBlue
Mar 17, 2011

zergstain posted:

This survey that came up about the headphone jack, if the new rMBPs are launching in about a month, there's no way they could or would change the design to remove the jack on this short notice, is there?

They've been asking about the headphone jack in their surveys for what, like a decade now? I think you might be okay.

zergstain
Dec 15, 2005

fleshweasel posted:

Tim is ordering all the factory slaves to go through the cases they've already made and seal up the headphone jacks.

I guess that answers my question. I didn't know they actually had to start production that far ahead of time to meet projected demand.

ShadeofBlue posted:

They've been asking about the headphone jack in their surveys for what, like a decade now? I think you might be okay.

Somebody tell that to the 10 or so media outlets acting like it's a sure thing the next MBP won't have a headphone jack.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

ShadeofBlue posted:

They've been asking about the headphone jack in their surveys for what, like a decade now? I think you might be okay.

I did a survey about 3 years ago about the Apple TV service that never came to be.

Apple and marketing is like the Pentagon and nuclear attack strategies. They plan for everything contingency.

Pakistani Brad Pitt
Nov 28, 2004

Not as taciturn, but still terribly powerful...



I think my biggest complaint is that the pack-in dongle is made of the same awful white apple plastic that will inevitably fray in a couple years, just like every MBP and iPhone charge cable I've ever owned.

I know I know, it's a 'me' problem. But it rarely happens with any of my other electronics. There is no way that a floppy cable on something that takes a much stress as headphones will last me long.

bloodysabbath
May 1, 2004

OH NO!
Welp. Tonight the top-shelf MBP I bought back in May 2015 decided to poo poo out on display and keyboard backlight. I can still use it through an external monitor, but it doesn't even detect the computer display.

Fruit stand on Thursday. Really looking forward to this loving bill. :suicide:

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013
I suspect headphone jacks will eventually go away for Macbooks, but they'll hang around a while longer yet because they can't pack in external speakers with a USB-C connector for cheap yet.

eames
May 9, 2009

Is anybody else tempted to buy a classic Mac Pro before the October keynote?

I am because they'll probably update the trashcan and we'll never see another mac with PCIe slots. :sigh:

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Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


eames posted:

Is anybody else tempted to buy a classic Mac Pro before the October keynote?

I am because they'll probably update the trashcan and we'll never see another mac with PCIe slots. :sigh:

Or with a 1 kilowatt power supply. Good hacking platform for some uses but two models will never run Sierra or any other future OS (1,1 and 2,1) and the size of most graphics cards these days renders one slot useless.

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