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Smiling Mandrill posted:According to this thread. You continue to excuse the excessive use of lethal force by police officers. You need to understand that just because a case isn't clear cut does not mean it isn't relevant or evidence of a more widespread problem of police practices including militarization. Each of these cases is important to the movement and to say that people should only care and champion cases with no controversy is ridiculous. Please continue to confuse peaceful protesters with opportunistic rioters that are not in any way part of the movement or what it stands for.
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Smiling Mandrill posted:According to this thread.
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MrSargent posted:Here is why your opinion blows. You are putting the burden on the movement to find the "right case" that will open everyone's eyes to the issue. The thing you are ignoring is that it doesn't matter how cut and dry a case is, the racists and deniers are going to make up any excuse or justification they can for why a police officer killed a black man. Even in this OK case, that has video evidence of what happened, people still try to justify the actions of the officer. You also don't seem at all concerned that the Brown & Sterling cases resulted in the death of a human being and represent an unacceptable escalation of force. Police need to be trained to deescalate situations, not shoot first ask questions later. The only person I've heard defend the OK police woman is her lawyer. Even Donald loving Trump said it looked like a clear case of a wrongful police shooting.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:05
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Smiling Mandrill posted:The only person I've heard defend the OK police woman is her lawyer. Even Donald loving Trump said it looked like a clear case of a wrongful police shooting. You live a blessed life if that's the only defender you've heard.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:09
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son you are too stupid to even understand why all of this utter nonsense you posted is wrong. honestly. this is why nobody is trying to explain it to you.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:10
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Bill Barber posted:An armed child molester who wrestled with the cops does not deserve to die. At what point does a person have the right to respond to a clear threat with lethal force?
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Sep 23, 2016 18:12
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Smiling Mandrill posted:Protesters, and activist haven't exactly done themselves any favors by choosing to champion cases like Micheal Brown, and Alton Sterling. When it turns out that the guy you are trying to turn into a martyr just robbed a store, or was armed and wrestling with the cops people turn off to your message pretty quick. Things like chanting about wanting dead cops, attacking random white people, and climbing onto the interstate, and shutting down traffic is also not going to go far in creating a dialog. Add in the factor of some of the protest turning into violent out of control riots, and its not hard to see why the majority people not directly affected by the issues of police violence have tuned out the whole movement. If BLM and other protest groups want real change they would focus solely on cases like Oklahoma, the Oakland subway shooting, and the care worker in Florida. Its a lot easier to get people on your side when the examples you put out there are clear, and indisputable proof of the message. Some of the protest methods I don't personally agree with but it's stupid to say that as a whole BLM isn't encouraging more dialogue. Also by focusing only on cases where the victims are 'good' black falls into the stupid 'all lives matter' rhetorical trap. Black lives matter, too and the lives of criminals matter too. Law enforcement shouldn't have carte blanche to kill you just because you're selling loosies in Staten Island or if you robbed a store or even if you're wrestling with them if you aren't a threat to anyone's life.
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Smiling Mandrill posted:At what point does a person have the right to respond to a clear threat with lethal force? instead of asking us that dumbass question, Google force escalation protocol. Not this threads job to educate your rear end
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Nobody deserves to die. Nobody deserves to live, either.
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indigi posted:son you are too stupid to even understand why all of this utter nonsense you posted is wrong. honestly. this is why nobody is trying to explain it to you. Rap once said something (about me) along the lines of "I don't see why I should lead a retard to water and make him drink too"
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Smiling Mandrill posted:At what point does a person have the right to respond to a clear threat with lethal force? The fact that you keep bringing up him being a child molester, like it has any bearing whatsoever on the police shooting him, demonstrates your lack of understanding.
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Smiling Mandrill posted:At what point does a person have the right to respond to a clear threat with lethal force? Police in the UK manage to deal with pretty much all threats without lethal force. No one deserves to die
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Politics of respectability has never been effective with these movements.
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To elaborate on my point about UK police. The only time when armed police are asked to attend are if its a "terror threat" or the assailant is armed. And even then, they do their absolute best to de-escalate the situation first.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:17
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Smiling Mandrill posted:clear threat you're stupid
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Sep 23, 2016 18:17
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Mandrill and other posters like cravius the type of white boys who look at their feet when black people walk by
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The problem is not police as executioners, it's that these police execute a specific section of the population disproportionately and often without cause. Correct for this error and you have a useful tool for states both conservative and progressive.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:21
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Pron on VHS posted:Mandrill and other posters like cravius the type of white boys who look at their feet when black people walk by "I bet you're just saying that to make your white daddy mad. Nahnahnahbooboo"
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Sep 23, 2016 18:22
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its ok to shoot people dead if it turns out theyre bad people so always bet on bad
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Sep 23, 2016 18:22
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wait time out there was a loving movie made about Oscar Grant lets not act like he's forgotten Edit: also I read a zapruder film like breakdown of the helicopter footage about how Lady Cop Did Nothing Wrong. I wish I could find it again
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Tremendous Taste posted:The problem is not police as executioners, Well it is that too. I mean every other first world country manages a police force that kills at a rate near 1% of US cops. It's just another example of American exceptionalism at incompetence.
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Pron on VHS posted:Mandrill and other posters like cravius the type of white boys who look at their feet when black people walk by There are so many like that too
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Kalli posted:Well it is that too. I mean every other first world country manages a police force that kills at a rate near 1% of US cops. It's just another example of American exceptionalism at incompetence. No, this is not a problem, it is an alternative. The fact the US outpaces other nations should be celebrated.
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Chichevache posted:Rap once said something (about me) along the lines of "I don't see why I should lead a retard to water and make him drink too" Hell yeah
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CyberPingu posted:To elaborate on my point about UK police. The only time when armed police are asked to attend are if its a "terror threat" or the assailant is armed. And even then, they do their absolute best to de-escalate the situation first. It is a poor comparison to make because the United Kingdom is not awash in firearms. It's apples and oranges. Firearms per capita 1. United Stats - 112.6 82. United Kingdom - 6.6 Madcosby posted:its ok to shoot people dead if it turns out theyre bad people Remember what the cop in chopper said?
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indigi posted:son you are too stupid to even understand why all of this utter nonsense you posted is wrong. honestly. this is why nobody is trying to explain it to you. Has anyone ever told you that you type like a white boy trying to front as a black man? Bet you got some hot sauce in your purse right now.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:27
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Ahhh man, white people can't enjoy hot sauce?  I loving love hot sauce!
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Smiling Mandrill posted:Has anyone ever told you that you type like a white boy trying to front as a black man? Bet you got some hot sauce in your purse right now. Final form has been reached.
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fff-f-gently caress he looks like those people from the Wire, uhh*crosses street rapidly with head down*
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Pron on VHS posted:fff-f-gently caress he looks like those people from the Wire, uhh*crosses street rapidly with head down* Lol if you think that's not the majority of people itt
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*in Stringer Bell voice when Donette told him he looked like a XL........* no doubt
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NC-17 posted:The fact that you keep bringing up him being a child molester, like it has any bearing whatsoever on the police shooting him, demonstrates your lack of understanding. No it proves that you didn't read my initial post. My point was never that Sterling deserved to die because hes a prior felon. Its that making a man like sterling one of the faces of your cause is self defeating, and will never help lead to change. Where as cases in Florida, and Oklahoma are clear cut enough that the majority of people will spot the problem and work to fix it.
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Shath Hole posted:Ahhh man, white people can't enjoy hot sauce? Satire isn't funny when it has to be explained.
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Smiling Mandrill posted:No it proves that you didn't read my initial post. My point was never that Sterling deserved to die because hes a prior felon. Its that making a man like sterling one of the faces of your cause is self defeating, and will never help lead to change. Where as cases in Florida, and Oklahoma are clear cut enough that the majority of people will spot the problem and work to fix it. No, you don't understand. Criminal behavior, past and present, isn't a reason a POC should be killed. We don't have a problem with police using lethal force against white perps the way they do with minority perps. You miss the point that the point is criminal behavior in and of itself doesn't excuse extrajudicial killings by the police. But please keep saying it's about flawed cases. That's totally what's keeping sheltered, white people from realizing there's a problem with law enforcement in this country.
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Neil Armbong posted:No, you don't understand. Criminal behavior, past and present, isn't a reason a POC should be killed. We don't have a problem with police using lethal force against white perps the way they do with minority perps. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0 Imma stop you right there.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:Hardened. I am painfully aware of everything in that case and I stand by my point.
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Smiling Mandrill posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0 nah bitch http://scholar.harvard.edu/jfeldman/blog/roland-fryer-wrong-there-racial-bias-shootings-police
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Pron on VHS posted:nah bitch gottem.
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Smiling Mandrill posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0 That doesn't really support your point in the way you want it too.
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Smiling Mandrill posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0 Just reading this article but it seems that the data comes from actual police reports, so it could be true that once stopped white and black people are equally likely to be shot; however, it doesn't address the point that black people are disproportionately likely to be stopped.
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