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GunnerJ posted:sup dogg, this the thread for working class ephebophiles?? i'm asking... for a friend... I think that's the Star Trek discussion thread in TVIV from what I remember  Wait no sorry that was just straight up paedophilia, much like rich people have been committing and getting away with recently.
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Jack of Hearts posted:Question: fervent as he is in his desire to eat the rich, could The Saurus possibly contribute to the revolution by serving in a cannon fodder role in the red army? Or would it be wiser to have him arrested and reeducated? I'm already a proud member of the Corbynista Corps. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3739516/Why-despise-Jeremy-Corbyn-Nazi-stormtroopers-Jewish-Labour-donor-MICHAEL-FOSTER.html They even have their own Hitler Youth called Momentum Kids! Filthy socialists providing free childcare to politically engaged parents 
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The Saurus posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333 the great famine was kept largely under wraps for years. indeed, if you had actually read the article you posted, you'd see that even international journalists denied that it happened for years. it happened, and there was at least an element of malignant neglect if not outright planning by stalin's regime, but it was not a major reason for why the SA was busting leftist skulls in the early 30's. you're full of poo poo. also ernst roehm was insanely bigoted and a fake leftist, so it's unsurprising that you're trying to rehabilitate him.
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The Saurus, is that quote something you found, or did someone else find it for you? Answer honestly. Also, what meaningful change do you hope to achieve through 'killing the ruling class'? Who is 'the ruling class'? Marx and Marxists talk about overthrowing the bourgeoisie, but only in so far as they own the means of production, and act in their self-interest to maintain their power. The people themselves are irrelevant to a large extent, and violence is deployed instrumentally, to achieve that objective. Killing them isn't the point. You, on the other hand, are sounding rather more unhinged. As much as 'fascism' is overused as a scare-word, it is a word with a real meaning, used to describe a real political system, with real differences and conflicts with both socialism and liberalism, that cannot be reconciled. There cannot be a 'left-wing fascism', because the goals of fascism fundamentally contradict the legacy of human brotherhood, that form the foundation of leftism. I am explaining this all to you, even though I shouldn't really have to, because I have a strong suspicion that you are bit of an idiot, more than simply malicious, and in a difficult place in your life right now, more then simply gullible. Jack of Hearts posted:Question: fervent as he is in his desire to eat the rich, could The Saurus possibly contribute to the revolution by serving in a cannon fodder role in the red army? Or would it be wiser to have him arrested and reeducated?
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rohm was gay so he had to have been a True Leftist
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The Saurus posted:I think that's the Star Trek discussion thread in TVIV from what I remember please proceed with this line of argument.
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rudatron posted:and in a difficult place in your life right now, more then simply gullible. this is what i'm picking up on
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rudatron posted:The Saurus, is that quote something you found, or did someone else find it for you? Answer honestly. Every single attempt to build any kind of equal or socialist society has faced an incredible amount of resistance from capitalists and the ruling class both nationally and globally. Do I really need to provide a laundry list of leftists overthrown in anti-democratic actions supported by the owners of the means of production? I don't think it's possible to break the bourgeoisie's hold on our society without the use of violence directed against them, and it needs to be done as soon as the leftists acquire any kind of power or capacity for violence as a preemptive strike, otherwise you're simply giving them the time and space to prepare their own counterrevolution.
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The Saurus posted:Every single attempt to build any kind of equal or socialist society has faced an incredible amount of resistance from capitalists and the ruling class both nationally and globally. Do I really need to provide a laundry list of leftists overthrown in anti-democratic actions supported by the owners of the means of production? which is why you support donald trump, a corrupt billionaire who opposes any sort of government regulation.
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I just support him to make the rich, spoilt children of doctors who enjoy talking poo poo about the working class cry sweet liberal tears. But no, I'm pretty much over Trump at this point. Though I do think in the long run his style of populism will need to be tried and shown to fail before the majority of people in the west rediscover leftism.
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The Saurus posted:I just support him to make the rich, spoilt children of doctors who enjoy talking poo poo about the working class cry sweet liberal tears. nah, you just do it because people speaking spanish in your presence makes you sooooo mad. also lol, you think talking poo poo to racists = talking poo poo about the working class. Majorian fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Also Government Regulation and Control isn't automatically a good thing just because it's the Government. Not when the government is wholly controlled by the capitalist class and has zero interest in representing workers. In that case, limiting the power of government is a good thing, such as the trillions of dollars in handouts and subsidies that go directly to the richest Americans after plundering wealth in taxes from the working class. The working class looking to the bourgeois government to represent them instead of creating their own power structures is a fatal mistake. The Soviets didn't all disband and decide to vote for the provisional government once every few years, they seized power through real representative workers democracy, controlled and organized by the workers themselves.
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The Saurus posted:Also Government Regulation and Control isn't automatically a good thing just because it's the Government. Not when the government is wholly controlled by the capitalist class and has zero interest in representing workers. which is why you want to put a corrupt billionaire in charge of that government. (it's actually because you really, really don't like non-white people)
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Majorian posted:also lol, you think talking poo poo to racists = talking poo poo about the working class. It is when you call them losers for doing working class jobs, yes. Majorian posted:which is why you want to put a corrupt billionaire in charge of that government. (it's actually because you really, really don't like non-white people) No, no I don't Majorian. I no longer support Trump as I've said multiple times. I know it might be surprising to you that people can change their views, I'm sure that's not an issue when you've never had to struggle your entire life due to being a member of a privileged class under capitalism.
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The Saurus posted:It is when you call them losers for doing working class jobs, yes. nah, i call you, personally, a loser for blaming your life's bad circumstances on latinos. which is something that you have literally done, repeatedly. e: also middle easterners. that post was pretty 
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Well rejoice then, because I've moved onto blaming the rich which significantly increases the number of whites and significantly decreases the number of non-whites who I dislike 
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yes, i'm sure that's the way it works.
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I don't think your strategy of continuing to attack people who may have once said a racist thing after they have apologised and realised they were wrong is going to be a very good strategy for ending racism. Not that you care about that, you just want to assauge your guilt about being a parasite by virtue signalling and looking down on people who actually have to work for a living.
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The Saurus posted:I don't think your strategy of continuing to attack people who may have once said a racist thing LOL, "once said a racist thing." yeah, it was just that one time, honest!  The Saurus posted:Not that you care about that, you just want to assauge your guilt about being a parasite i work for a charity that treats blind people in the developing world for free. what do you do for a living, again?
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That is real cringey my dude.
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Firstly, you didn't answer my question. Did you find that quote yourself, or did someone find it for you? Secondly, I do not need you to provide such a list. What I wanted you to do was formalize and systematize your thinking a bit, because you're a little all over the place. Within the space of about 5 posts, you talk about political action motivated by spite (liberal tears), socialist revolution, limited government (what?), defensiveness against perceived classism, and your (now historical) support of Donald Trump. There isn't much of a common thread here, and some of it is really unprompted. More than anything else, I think you need to step back a bit, and see yourself the way others are seeing you. Personally, what I am seeing, is someone digging themselves into a deeper hole. Like just take a break. Stop thinking about politics or whatever, socialize with normal people, then maybe come back.
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rudatron posted:Like just take a break. Stop thinking about politics or whatever, socialize with normal people, then maybe come back. Actually, don't do this. Talk some more about the class politics of ephebophilia.
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The Saurus posted:I don't think your strategy of continuing to attack people who may have once said a racist thing is the One Racist Thing you ever did when you mourned a nazi a couple of hours ago
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*snorts a huge loving line of amphetamines* adolf eichmann was just a cog with no moral agency!!!!!!!!!!!
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i want to liquefy the last two pages and inject them into my eyeballs
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Karl Barks posted:*snorts a huge loving line of amphetamines* adolf eichmann was just a cog with no moral agency!!!!!!!!!!! Oh poo poo if being a fascist means doing loads of speed I am in. North Korea has lost its one competitive advantage. Hold on... Homework Explainer posted:i want to liquefy the last two pages and inject them into my eyeballs Now the NK trip makes sense.
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saurus reads like every loving trotsky guy that became a movement conservative by age 25
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Karl Barks posted:saurus reads like every loving trotsky guy that became a movement conservative by age 25
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Karl Barks posted:rohm was gay so he had to have been a True Leftist that some western bourgoise decadence? good poo poo 
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i just cant deal with the saurus. homework explainer i pick on a lot itt because he's a living far-left strawman; if homework explainer did not exist it would be necessary for me to invent him. but the saurus isn't insane and wrong in conventional ways. he's hasn't just horseshoed over from left to right; he's spinning around the horseshoe so fast that his brain is in a quantum superposition of extremist politics and you can't tell if his next post is going to be 'eat the rich' or 'nuke the muslims' until you observe it.
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Constant Hamprince posted:i just cant deal with the saurus. homework explainer i pick on a lot itt because he's a living far-left strawman; if homework explainer did not exist it would be necessary for me to invent him. but the saurus isn't insane and wrong in conventional ways. he's hasn't just horseshoed over from left to right; he's spinning around the horseshoe so fast that his brain is in a quantum superposition of extremist politics and you can't tell if his next post is going to be 'eat the rich' or 'nuke the muslims' until you observe it. he's a full blown nazi op
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Constant Hamprince posted:; he's spinning around the horseshoe so fast that his brain is in a quantum superposition of extremist politics and you can't tell if his next post is going to be 'eat the rich' or 'nuke the muslims' until you observe it. He's an extremely useful demonstration of why horseshoe theory is bullshit.
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horseshoe theory.... the two ends don't even occupy the same space!!!! they're like a few inches apart!!!! doesn't even make sense!!!!!!!!
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well saurus hasn't been posting about trump recently i wonder if he quietly realiz "the nazis were good" oh ok then
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People on the fringe wings on both the left and the right are largely driven by the same kinds of emotional desires and motivations The true believer was a really good read
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Peel posted:well saurus hasn't been posting about trump recently i wonder if he quietly realiz Actually they were bad, because they were still racists. I mean they would have considered me an untermenschen for having Jewish ancestry (as opposed to the myriad of far more legitimate reasons to consider me an untermenschen) However, if you could pair the left-wingers views on social equality, worker control and redistribution of wealth with the multi-ethnic fascism of Paul Verhoevens "Starship Troopers" I think you'd have a pretty good mix. e: I still feel kind of bad for Rohm though, just as I'd feel bad for anyone who was betrayed and murdered by their long-term gay lover. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Al! posted:he's a full blown nazi op well i'm certainly one when it comes to using "op" to refer to anyone but the thread poster
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Majorian posted:i work for a charity that treats blind people in the developing world for free. what do you do for a living, again? Rich white person with connections and privilege finds well-paying feelgood job in the charity sector?  What a shocker.Please tell me how many non-whites from impoverished backgrounds work alongside you in the office while you congratulate yourself for your western paternalism. I do whatever work I can find that pays enough for me to remain housed and fed.
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rudatron posted:Firstly, you didn't answer my question. Did you find that quote yourself, or did someone find it for you? I came across it when I was reading about the working class character of the SA. I guess people like Trump and the UKIPs have been combining a nominally populist platform with anti-working class/pro capitalist policies for a long time to gain the support of workers and then betraying them at the first opportunity. quote:Secondly, I do not need you to provide such a list. What I wanted you to do was formalize and systematize your thinking a bit, because you're a little all over the place. Within the space of about 5 posts, you talk about political action motivated by spite (liberal tears), socialist revolution, limited government (what?), defensiveness against perceived classism, and your (now historical) support of Donald Trump. There isn't much of a common thread here, and some of it is really unprompted. I come from somewhere where "Liberal" isn't the most left-wing thing you can be, so please don't think that I'm enjoying the tears of the left-wing half of the American populace when I talk about being motivated by spite. People do become spiteful, hateful and angry the longer they're denied a life they think they deserve though - Those rage massacres haven't been happening for the past decade for no reason. Limiting government is a good thing when the government almost totally serves the interests of the capitalist class, by maintaining a massive military-industrial complex, by allowing the richest to avoid taxes while raising funds from the workers and by giving massive subsidies that actually circumvent one of the few times the free market would help the average american (Such as the Sugar Program). The government has to be pressured and controlled by workers before it can be used as a force for good, simply being a supporter of Big Government with no proviso is very silly. I mean compared to welfare the US Government spends FAR more on its subsidies and tax breaks for corporations and military contractors. Why isn't it a good thing to limit that? quote:More than anything else, I think you need to step back a bit, and see yourself the way others are seeing you. Personally, what I am seeing, is someone digging themselves into a deeper hole. I don't think I need to worry about that anymore, everyone already despises me, it's not like my reputation around here can get any worse. If I'm digging a hole I'm already at the bedrock. Plus it's important to remember that the flesh will rot from our bones within a few decades and no one will ever remember who we were or are, not in real life and certainly not on this dead gay forum. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Saurus will be put into the mine sweeping corps of the Penal Battalions.
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