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Hei, ajattelin kirjoittaa taas vaihteeksi Hesariin ku pääkirjoitus oli niin vitun tyhmä.quote:Helsingin Sanomien pääkirjoituksessa Uusnatsien toimien arvostelua ei tarvitse pehmentää sivuhuomautuksilla, eikä poliittiselle väkivallalle ole hyväksyttäviä syitä (HS 21.9.2016, http://www.hs.fi/paivanlehti/21092016/a1474344868455) todettiin: "Jos etsii teoille perusteita yhteiskunnan muutoksesta tai taloustilanteesta, antaa väärän viestin." Kun syiden etsimistä seurauksiin yritetään tukahduttaa, ollaan erittäin vaarallisella polulla, tai oikeammin polku on kadonnut jo kauan sitten ja ryteikköä näkyy joka suunnassa silmänkantamattomiin.
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Herman Merman posted:It's even worse than that because the vihervassari conspiracy that runs everything in Finland somehow covers up every murder and stabbing they perpetrate Why do yout think there is such a conspiracy?
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Herman Merman posted:It's even worse than that because the vihervassari conspiracy that runs everything in Finland somehow covers up every murder and stabbing they perpetrate Yeah that's a loving strawman if I ever saw one.
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SnowblindFatal posted:Hei, ajattelin kirjoittaa taas vaihteeksi Hesariin ku pääkirjoitus oli niin vitun tyhmä. Well I disagree with the whole "we haven't given people a chance to address these things on a rational level". There hasn't probably been a single week that there hasn't been an refugee related news or refugee related discussion or debate in the news, in programs, eduskunta, etc. for close to two years now. Literally every viewpoint has been aired thousands of times, and the viewpoints of hysterical "immigration critics" have been given WAY more time then their share of the population would justify because they get a shitload of views and clicks, you probably know why. In addition, there are literally hundreds of online forums you could do this in whatever way you like. You can also discuss it with your friends and family, for me alongside this forum that is the primary outlet. Most of those who outwardly are the most angry about refugees are not interested in discussing things on a rational fact-based level. Is there anything about their rhetoric that has led you to believe they do want that, or are even capable of it? Is there even any way to get them to do that outside kidnapping them and forcefully educating them on the issue so that they are on a high enough level to participate then putting a gun to their head and demanding that they justify everything they say on empirical evidence? Even in this forum which as far as online based immigration critics go is pretty high brow, people get pissed and/or disappear in the shadows when you cite actual facts and figures - or if they stay, spend their time arguing why those facts and figures can't be trusted instead of the conclusions you can draw from them. How are you supposed to engage someone who doesn't even recognize the legitimacy of internationally and nationally valid data in a rational debate? I don't think they have been banned from the table. They got an open seat, still do (TF is in the government ffs) and they just don't measure up when it comes to rationality. They got the chance to give their views, they just have about the same value to the refugee issue as the views of Wahhabists are on women's rights. EDIT: And every single even semi-major political speech from any governmental figure up to Prez and PM says that people are afraid and it is understandable. Like any halfway legit politician or commentator pretty much says that, police say it too, nevermind countless bloggers or journalists. So I really don't see where legitimate fears are not given an avenue. I mean just this day Niinistö mentioned several fears and problems in his speech and didn't say "if you don't think Finland should take in a billion refugees you are a nazi rear end in a top hat" at any point: http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/a1474428285930 EDIT 2: Don't take the length as an attack or anything but you seemed to put effort in your post so I put it in my critique DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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rusi kuittailee lipposelle: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-2000001265539.html ei se välttämättä väärässä ole
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Sep 21, 2016 18:08
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SnowblindFatal posted:Hei, ajattelin kirjoittaa taas vaihteeksi Hesariin ku pääkirjoitus oli niin vitun tyhmä. ihan hyvä
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SnowblindFatal posted:Hei, ajattelin kirjoittaa taas vaihteeksi Hesariin ku pääkirjoitus oli niin vitun tyhmä. muokkaa tekstiä niin että alkukirjaimet muodostavat jotain hävytöntä
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Gortarius posted:Feast your eyes on this: Holy poo poo completely missed this haha what's bigger then staggering on all caps? Nenonen posted:http://eop.fi/ Was this part of their manifesto or something: http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/a1474342189906 http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/a1474433668985 Or maybe it's more of a Sinn Fein / IRA type of deal? 
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Sep 21, 2016 19:29
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Some persu listed some left wing violence and mekkala und älämölö.
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Sep 22, 2016 18:54
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merkittävin ero antifasistien ja muiden fasistien välillä on siinä onko lipussa työkalut vai riimu
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Hogge Wild posted:merkittävin ero antifasistien ja muiden fasistien välillä on siinä onko lipussa työkalut vai riimu
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Ligur posted:Some persu listed some left wing violence and mekkala und älämölö. Yeah, "some persu" here being a known virulent racist and nazi-sympathizer whose son is in Soldiers of Odin. Also notice the lack of sources for anything except vappumarssit and how she is incapable of actually naming a single elected representative that is associated with any anarchists or left-wing violent individuals/organizations. And the assertion that media isn't talking about it is immediately undone by her links as is the assertion that the authorities don't care about it. Anarchism by its definition stands separae from ordinary political sphere and has several strains of thought, many which skew so libertarian that it's a bit disingenous to consider it an pure leftist ideology. Also if animal rights are a leftist thing someone tell that to Hitler.
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DarkCrawler posted:Anarchism by its definition stands separae from ordinary political sphere and has several strains of thought, many which skew so libertarian that it's a bit disingenous to consider it an pure leftist ideology. quote:Also if animal rights are a leftist thing someone tell that to Hitler.
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Look, nazis may have beaten a person to death on the streets, but did you know that some anarchists bricked a window once? This is literally the least subtle way to try and construct a false equivalency. I fully understand the ligur impulse to white knight nazis no matter what they do, but at least try to come up with something better for heaven's sake.
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I hate nazis too but antifa have kicked people during protests, they just didn't die.
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Herman Merman posted:This is historically inaccurate. Anarcho-capitalism is a 20th century product, basically Rothbard&co trying to co-opt an existing term for their own ideology. Proudhon, the guy who introduced the word 'anarchist' in its modern meaning around 1840 is also the guy who came up with the slogan "property is theft". Go ahead and try to find a libertarian who agrees with that. I'm talking about current times. Every ideology has branches that the original founder would find revolting. Plenty of anarchists would also abhor being put in the left/right schema at all. Either way it is irrelevant because the media DOES report on anarchists (even if TF has goldfish memory) and the authorities consistently clamp down on them. And persus continue to be unable to show any actual ties between anarchists and elected politicians anyway. Herman Merman posted:In contemporary Finland it largely is. Most animal rights activists are leftists but it and environmentalism are not exclusively their domain even in Finland and I don't think you can put it on either side of the equation. My hardcore Christan Kepu part of family are big on conservation and organic farming for example. And again, irrespective of which box one wants to put things, media hasn't been silent on the issue either, its just the usual persucution complex.
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Juho Eerola (TF) is currently the chairman of the Finnish side of the Nordic Council, and apparently the tradition is that every chairman gets promoted to be the president of said council. But currently all the other parties in the Finnish delegation are against setting him as a candidate because of a music video he released a month ago. Was it about the quality of the music or the content? You be the judge.
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http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-2000001267290.htmlquote:Rasismia vastustavan mielenosoituksen lisäksi lauantaina järjestetään rasismin vastaisen mielenosoituksen vastamielenosoitus. 
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Poor Pahkasika, they don't stand a chance anymore
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DarkCrawler posted:Yeah, "some persu" here being a known virulent racist and nazi-sympathizer whose son is in Soldiers of Odin. Also notice the lack of sources for anything except vappumarssit and how she is incapable of actually naming a single elected representative that is associated with any anarchists or left-wing violent individuals/organizations. And the assertion that media isn't talking about it is immediately undone by her links as is the assertion that the authorities don't care about it. eläinoikeusasiat ovat vasemmistolaisia ligur
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Friend of a friend wrote this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/393119/aarioikeiston_oikeutuskeinot.pdf Extremely spot on, in my opinion.
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Most good poets are junkies anyway.
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Double Bill posted:Poor Pahkasika, they don't stand a chance anymore Satire became reality.
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Rexroom posted:Juho Eerola (TF) is currently the chairman of the Finnish side of the Nordic Council, and apparently the tradition is that every chairman gets promoted to be the president of said council. But currently all the other parties in the Finnish delegation are against setting him as a candidate because of a music video he released a month ago. Was it about the quality of the music or the content? You be the judge. Tästä älämölöstä saa mitään selvää. Vois muuten kuuklata sanoitukset mutta taitaa olla sellaista paskaa että parempi jättää välistä.
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Hogge Wild posted:eläinoikeusasiat ovat vasemmistolaisia ligur Well then right-wing gets kind of a poo poo deal, doesn't it?
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Saturday will be amazing quote:Mieltä osoitetaan rasismia vastaan, suomalaisiin kohdistuvaa rasismia vastaan, rasisminvastaista mielenosoitusta vastaan, Turkkia ja Isisiä vastaan, sekä sukupuolineutraalia avioliittolakia vastaan. 
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Hogge Wild posted:eläinoikeusasiat ovat vasemmistolaisia ligur Green politics is postmodern. It doesnt fit on left or right of the political spectrum. Just like fascism.  Itse toisaalta näen paskapostaamisen syvästi keskustalaisena toimena.
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OgO posted:Itse toisaalta näen paskapostaamisen syvästi keskustalaisena toimena. I'll expect the Center Party to use memes in their next elections.
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Rexroom posted:I'll expect the Center Party to use memes in their next elections. Who are you kidding, they created Finland's first memes during Kekkonen presidency 
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Multiculturalism in a bus: an enraged arab started shouting at the somali bus driver because he was 30 seconds late. After a continuing verbal battle between them I shouted he should shut up and sit the gently caress down so we could get going. Although his anger was directed at the driver (apparently an old nemesis of his) he had the time to accuse of being a pig who drinks alcohol (true) and then started yelling I am a homo. Old bouncer trick! I replied yes, I am a homo and find him very pretty, so we can get down. "I will give you a french kiss, yessss, I love you, I love you long. You look good, man!" Dude ran out of the bus really fast 
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Source your quotes
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Ligur posted:Multiculturalism in a bus: an enraged arab started shouting at the somali bus driver because he was 30 seconds late. After a continuing verbal battle between them I shouted he should shut up and sit the gently caress down so we could get going. Although his anger was directed at the driver (apparently an old nemesis of his) he had the time to accuse of being a pig who drinks alcohol (true) and then started yelling I am a homo. I'm sorry you didn't find love, my insanely cool man, Ligur.
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Arjalaisia en pussaa mutta jos tulee joku muu.
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Hob_Gadling posted:Arjalaisia en pussaa mutta jos tulee joku muu.
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Ketkä on mestoilla natsien lynkkausfestareilla? Live-twiitatkaa tähän säikeeseen, kiitos etukäteen 
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Who the gently caress wants to spend their saturday afternoon on something like that, really
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Our prime minister!
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Rappaport posted:Ketkä on mestoilla natsien lynkkausfestareilla? Live-twiitatkaa tähän säikeeseen, kiitos etukäteen niillä näyttää olevan hauskaa siellä: 
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