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Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Fojar38 posted:

i did reply

he reminds me of one of those tankies who occasionally shows up in d&d except for china instead of the ussr

Oh, I missed it.

Your post is so small. . . like a cigarette lighter.

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Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
It's 730am on a Saturday and I'm the group of seven employees who are forced to go outside carrying signs and chanting slogans in unison over a loud speaker because the boss thinks this is a super great way to get more business.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Haier posted:

It's 730am on a Saturday and I'm the group of seven employees who are forced to go outside carrying signs and chanting slogans in unison over a loud speaker because the boss thinks this is a super great way to get more business.

"DIaoyou Islands belong to China"
"gently caress Japan"
"50% off, today only"

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
I've noticed that the only two groups of people here passing out flyers (coincidentally the only two groups who also do the signs, banners, and loudspeaker shouting) are real estate and gyms. I've been handed at least 20 flyers in my neighborhood for 20 different gyms. They all say "hallo" and give me one because they know foreigners might also be customers. I have never once seen a gym here, despite being harassed to sign up for one every single day I go outside. It is my opinion that gyms are the new bakeries. The only difference is the suckers who pay for the one year discount won't get their money back when the gym disappears in a month.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37452287

quote:

Two skeletons have been discovered in a London graveyard which could change our view of the history of Europe and Asia.
Analysis of the bones, found in a Roman burial place in Southwark, discovered that they dated to between the 2nd and 4th Century AD and were probably ethnically Chinese.

Noooooooooo. Were the Romans really a Chinese dynasty we didn't know about?

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


The article is incorrect. The isotopes in the teeth indicate East Asia or North Africa. The shape of the bones suggests East Asian rather than African. It is possible to determine East Asian through bones if you have the right ones, but "ethnically Chinese" is bullshit, you can't tell that from the available data. North Africans living in London would be no big deal.

It is a very cool find though. We know Romans went to China but this would be the first evidence of any East Asian people making it to the empire. Possibly slaves, resold repeatedly along the trade routes. That'd be the easiest but we are pretty sure Indians lived in the Roman Empire and Roman trade regularly went all the way to China so East Asians could've come too.

max4me
Jun 15, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Haier posted:

I have never once seen a gym here, despite being harassed to sign up for one every single day I go outside. It is my opinion that gyms are the new bakeries. The only difference is the suckers who pay for the one year discount won't get their money back when the gym disappears in a month.

Huh did you post stories about chinese people not wanting to work up a (unhealthy sweat) at the gym or was that a different goon.


Also all I can see all those gym belong to the same dude.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I see gyms around. There do seem to be vastly more people in spandex handing out flyers than actual gyms though.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

max4me posted:

Huh did you post stories about chinese people not wanting to work up a (unhealthy sweat) at the gym or was that a different goon.


Also all I can see all those gym belong to the same dude.

I was actually writing a post about how my boss's TCM guru man is living in the spare office where I was when the forums went down. Whenever I write something long I usually copy/paste just in case my internet dies or some problem happens (a habit I picked up ages ago when pages wouldn't save data if you had to hit the Back button). I am just posting the part where he's tried to explain TCM theory to me:

TCM believes that human beings, unlike all other living organisms on this dumb gay Earth, do not have a functioning level of homeostasis to keep the body alive. Because of this we are constantly at war with the elements and temperatures around us and we have absolutely no way to fight back. There must be some sort of balance between all of this, and we are entirely responsible for it. That is why hot water is good for healthy, because the body cannot heat up cool or cold water and it will drastically plummet our core temperature and we'll get sick. This is why when it's 30C outside and the wind is 5C cooler, you will absolutely get influenza or a "cold." Same goes for going in and out of an air conditioned room. This is also why it's really bad for healthy to go out when it's raining. Every possible change in the body's position or temperature or moisture level is an attack that leaves the body open to illness, or causes an illness. It's amazing that people got anything done at all before.

Sweating is very bad for healthy. It signifies illness, or at least the fact that you are sweating means you are now very open to illness. Sweating while sick is good because the bad things are removed, but sweating while fine is the health equivalent of giving your credit card to a known criminal and dropping him off at the shopping mall. You will sweat out your health, basically. Cardio is bad for the lungs and heart because some out of shape goon felt the burn and the burn meant BAD. Meanwhile, stuff like cupping and drinking near-boiling temperature herb water is good for circulation because the body freaks out and doesn't know how to respond to obvious injury.
Because our bodies have no proper way to maintain homeostatis, it is up to us and the TCM wizards to keep round-the-clock awareness on the state of our health. We can help by acupuncture, cupping, slapping and hitting, getting warmed by moxibustion, and eating foods that fall on some side of the yin and yang charts when someone tells us we are too yin or too yang. Things like accepting that there are individual body types and standards of health is not really important.

It goes on, but now I really see how much of this is ingrained so hard into the all of people's regular thoughts on health and activities. It's too bad.

Take all of that and multiply it by 1000 when a woman is pregnant. She no longer has a life of her own and is free to do things on her own. She is a glass vessel held together by Scotch tape and and chewing gum and the slightest breaking of TCM rules and regulations means that the baby will die, or she'll die too. Everything from how she eats, to the TV shows she watches (or cannot watch), it's all one heart beat too fast and the baby is dead as poo poo or coming out disabled (don't worry, acupuncture will fix his Down's).

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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lolling at that article

two skeletons that might be from east asia turning up in roman london is really interesting but the article can't help itself

"this changes everything about the history of europe and asia!!!!!"

Saint Rude
Aug 21, 2009

quote:

cupping, slapping and hitting, getting warmed by moxibustion

To be fair, cupping, slapping and hitting also get me warm when I moxibate and I think it's a good thing.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
I'm the uncle with the exposed belly and the cigarette in the corner of his mouth, doing 88 reps with a 1 # dumbbell.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
I'm the grandparent who has decided that right now is the perfect time to let my two year old grandkid very slow walk up (and down) all 50 steps on either side of the foot bridge, clogging the busy pedestrian traffic without fucks given.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Fojar38 posted:

lolling at that article

two skeletons that might be from east asia turning up in roman london is really interesting but the article can't help itself

"this changes everything about the history of europe and asia!!!!!"

Here's an article with details that isn't stupid. http://www.caitlingreen.org/2016/09/east-asian-people-roman-london.html

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/24/where-will-the-out-of-control-chinese-space-station-land-tiangong-1

so does anyone really believe they don't know where the chinese space station is rather than the chinese just aren't telling people?

Falun Bong Refugee
Dec 14, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Jose posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/24/where-will-the-out-of-control-chinese-space-station-land-tiangong-1

so does anyone really believe they don't know where the chinese space station is rather than the chinese just aren't telling people?

According to most projections the majority of it will burn up in the atmosphere regardless and what does return to earth is not a statistically significant threat. Don't let that get in the way of a shittily written popsci article though.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Fojar38 posted:

lolling at that article

two skeletons that might be from east asia turning up in roman london is really interesting but the article can't help itself

"this changes everything about the history of europe and asia!!!!!"

Chinese talking head #1: "London is a historical part of China, we have a history there that dates back to the second century!"
Chinese talking head #2: "You don't need to protest, the locals have already given themselves to us on the off chance we actually do something for them. . . .
Both: HAHAHHAHAHA

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vancouvers-new-tax-slows-foreign-property-buying-to-a-trickle-2016-09-22

quote:

Foreign purchases of homes in Canada’s west-coast city of Vancouver, British Columbia, plunged after a new property tax for foreign buyers took effect at the start of last month, according to new data released Thursday by the province of British Columbia.

Sales involving foreigners accounted for about 1% of all Vancouver transactions during the month of August, when the tax was first applied, the province said. During the seven weeks before the tax came into effect, foreigners accounted for around 13% of all Vancouver deals.

British Columbia announced in late July that it would begin charging an additional 15% property-transfer tax for foreign home buyers in Vancouver, where home prices have soared in recent years. The tax, which applies to home buyers who aren’t Canadian citizens or a permanent residents, took effect Aug. 2.

Where will they go next if they can't afford Van City anymore? Toronto?

Hedenius
Aug 23, 2007

Jose posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/sep/24/where-will-the-out-of-control-chinese-space-station-land-tiangong-1

so does anyone really believe they don't know where the chinese space station is rather than the chinese just aren't telling people?
Read the article again.

AEMINAL
May 22, 2015

barf barf i am a dog, barf on your carpet, barf
This tcm talk reminds me of that employer who said drinking water is bad and the employee who believed him

Jesus Christ how are these people still alive

Are western style hospitals something people go to in China?

Do people actually get beta blockers or just some tcm root when they have high blood pressure?

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

They go to a normal doctor and get prescribed some beta blockers, and then go to a TCM doctor and get a bunch of random poo poo (half the time with crushed up pills in it, occasionally it's herbal remedies that contain natural compounds that have the same biological effect), and then if they die from an overdose it's the fault of the western medicine and anything else means they're kept alive by the TCM.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle





Maybe we can convince them Winnipeg is the new hotness. That would be great.

Or Calgary. I bet that would work. Modern city, lots of millionaires, fairly mild canadian winters. Alberta could use more international exposure.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

hailthefish posted:

They go to a normal doctor and get prescribed some beta blockers, and then go to a TCM doctor and get a bunch of random poo poo (half the time with crushed up pills in it, occasionally it's herbal remedies that contain natural compounds that have the same biological effect), and then if they die from an overdose it's the fault of the western medicine and anything else means they're kept alive by the TCM.

You forgot the part where the doctor in the normal hospital also prescribes a bunch of random poo poo to try and cover his bases so the patient doesn't come back. At least 1/3 of the 800 pills he gives the granny with the high blood pressure have to be antibiotics.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

no one mention maine, plz

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




The Great Autismo! posted:

no one mention maine, plz

Think of all the great selfies they could get with the fall foliage!

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Facebook Aunt posted:

Think of all the great selfies they could get with the fall foliage!

my wife and i were in freeport in august at the outlets and its usually a bit busy but doable, and we went to Tommy Hilfiger and there were these two kids with their parents that were borderline screaming in mandarin while they were waiting in line in front of me and i told them in chinese "you shoudln't talk so loudly, look around, its a quiet place here" and the cashier thanked me after they left lol

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

The Great Autismo! posted:

my wife and i were in freeport in august at the outlets and its usually a bit busy but doable, and we went to Tommy Hilfiger and there were these two kids with their parents that were borderline screaming in mandarin while they were waiting in line in front of me and i told them in chinese "you shoudln't talk so loudly, look around, its a quiet place here" and the cashier thanked me after they left lol

I think Western places that get Chinese tourists should hire white people that speak Mandarin to shame and Face LOSS them into behaving by the local standards. It would rule.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

The Great Autismo! posted:

my wife and i were in freeport in august at the outlets and its usually a bit busy but doable, and we went to Tommy Hilfiger and there were these two kids with their parents that were borderline screaming in mandarin while they were waiting in line in front of me and i told them in chinese "you shoudln't talk so loudly, look around, its a quiet place here" and the cashier thanked me after they left lol

I am literally surprised that the kids didn't point at you and say to their parents, "that foreigner is speaking Mandarin". I've had Chinese and Korean tourists do this to me a few times while in Canada.

Some day I want to pay 100 elementary school kids to ambush a Korean couple on vacation in Canada throughout the day (one at a time, and at random) and just yell, "안녕" (hello) then run away.

Blistex fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Sep 25, 2016

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

Haier posted:

I think Western places that get Chinese tourists should hire white people that speak Mandarin to shame and Face LOSS them into behaving by the local standards. It would rule.
I just imagine a bunch of awful tourists in Paris being idiotic and some tall, blonde French woman comes up and tell them in decent Mandarin to stop being idiotic and that they aren't in Gansu or Xinjiang anymore and the people will lose tons of face among each other and then worry that French people think they are from Xinjiang when they are in fact from Tier 01 megacity and maybe French people think they are the lowest class and maybe one or two will not be so bad despite pack mentality being a thing and they are in a pack.

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


Haier posted:

I just imagine a bunch of awful tourists in Paris being idiotic and some tall, blonde French woman comes up and tell them in decent Mandarin to stop being idiotic and that they aren't in Gansu or Xinjiang anymore and the people will lose tons of face among each other and then worry that French people think they are from Xinjiang when they are in fact from Tier 01 megacity and maybe French people think they are the lowest class and maybe one or two will not be so bad despite pack mentality being a thing and they are in a pack.

Et ensuite tu vas plonger, non?

Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Sep 25, 2016

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i've not bothered to read the article but i'm sure the headline will annoy fojar

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/25/obama-failed-asian-pivot-china-ascendant

quote:

Barack Obama’s ‘Asian pivot’ failed. China is in the ascendancy

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014




What a terrible plan.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Review of McDonalds in Hong Kong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDcmuQXjFF0

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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Today was a good day in British China.

In the morning, we set off by taking the clean, quick and quiet metro from my home near Hong Kong's airport to Hong Kong Island itself. Except for the grandpa yelling into his phone a few doors down in our carriage, the only noise came from station announcements. Including time waiting for the train, it took about twenty minutes to traverse the sixteen kilometres from my residential area to "downtown" Hong Kong. We then used a series of escalators to pass through the station to the shopping malls above, and pedestrian bridges to cross from the station area near the coastline to ... the old coastline. Coastline erodes, right? So if we fill in some of the waterfront, it's like we're claiming back land that was taken over millennia by the sea! We'll call it ... reclamation!



This has resulted in the coastline getting further and further away from where it was in the 1800's when the Qing ceded Hong Kong to Britain. One of the main roads, Des Voeux Road Central, is relatively far from the water today but was right next to it in the 1880's. Basically, if you follow the tram route, you're on the original coast.



Taking the iconic double-decker electric trams westwards, you'll pass all sorts of dried seafood shops.



Literally "Salted Fish Street". A bit out of place today but it made perfect sense when the shops were literally across the street from piers and jetties. The problem nowadays, of course, is that during the weekdays the streets are so crowded with traffic congestion that it's actually faster to walk than drive down the road. So, one green group has taken it upon themselves to campaign for the pedestrianisation of Des Voeux Road Central, and today was the day for their big experiment.



I don't know how they managed to swing it, but the group got the road closed to all vehicular traffic except the trams. The road, usually full of bumper-to-bumper traffic of cars going nowhere, was now filled with all kinds of cultural activities. One group had rolled miniputt carpeting onto their section of the road so we could imagine a "greening" of central Hong Kong, which could somewhat alleviate the pollution and the heat island effect. One group was giving demonstrations on what it's like for kids with ADHD or dyslexia to learn in Hong Kong's pressure-cooker education system by clipping those blood pressure finger clips on your fingers and telling you to write, while sitting on a cushion with hard objects inside to make you squirm, while trying to pay attention to the "teacher". Some groups were putting on musical performances. There were lots of families and people just plain enjoying themselves. Hong Kong has a few other pedestrianised streets, such as Sai Yeung Choi Street in the Mong Kok district of Kowloon, and they are huge draws for locals and tourists alike so I hope the scheme goes through for DVRC as well.

After enjoying some of the events, it was time to head to Sun Yat-Sen Park.



The park itself is built on reclaimed land, and is full of little bits of info on the guy who formulated a lot of his revolutionary ideas while studying and living in Hong Kong. His picture is in most schools in Good China as well as in their legislature, and his portrait very rarely replaces Mao's in Tiananmen Square for some equally rare special events.



The park has a central lawn, which is a rarity in Hong Kong, and Dr. Sun's statue is in the middle. His name is written as "Mr. Sun Zhongshan". Ironically, the name he is usually known by in China is based off of the Japanese alias "Nakayama" that he used while studying in Japan in order to avoid being noticed by Qing assassins. Yat-sen is the name he was given in Hong Kong by a local Protestant church leader.

So that was my day in British China.

EDIT: The pedestrianisation experiment made its way into the news. Turns out it was initially proposed sixteen years ago.
https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/09/25/in-pictures-how-a-car-free-central-became-a-brief-reality-16-years-after-it-was-first-proposed/

Imperialist Dog fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Sep 25, 2016

Ichabod Tane
Oct 30, 2005

A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.


https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4
British China looks like a nice and clean place. Anyway, earlier I posted an article about Goldman Sachs removing 30 percent of their investment banking division from Asia, with a large portion from Hong Kong.

To me, this seems like a huge sign that the economy there is finally being viewed in the west as being not as strong as China would present it.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:

Blacktoll posted:

British China looks like a nice and clean place. Anyway, earlier I posted an article about Goldman Sachs removing 30 percent of their investment banking division from Asia, with a large portion from Hong Kong.

To me, this seems like a huge sign that the economy there is finally being viewed in the west as being not as strong as China would present it.

It could simply be returning to previous levels as investors realise that hot money flowing out of corrupt cadres through Hong Kong carries inherent risk, and with Xi continuing on his merry crackdown that flow is not going to last forever.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

Imperialist Dog posted:

One group had rolled miniputt carpeting onto their section of the road so we could imagine a "greening" of central Hong Kong, which could somewhat alleviate the pollution and the heat island effect. One group was giving demonstrations on what it's like for kids with ADHD or dyslexia to learn in Hong Kong's pressure-cooker education system by clipping those blood pressure finger clips on your fingers and telling you to write, while sitting on a cushion with hard objects inside to make you squirm, while trying to pay attention to the "teacher". Some groups were putting on musical performances. There were lots of families and people just plain enjoying themselves.

This was a good post, and thanks for the photos and story. This whole part stood out to me as a big difference between Mainland and Hong Kong. Thinking about the city's problems? Thinking about other people and their problems? Thinking about anything at all? Whaaaaaaaat? I give it another generation or two after all the Mainlanders have flooded HK (and the locals have run off to other countries) to make all those weird things go away.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Jose posted:

i've not bothered to read the article but i'm sure the headline will annoy fojar

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/25/obama-failed-asian-pivot-china-ascendant

already found and read it before it was posted here :smuggo:

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Captain Postal
Sep 16, 2007

Imperialist Dog posted:

Coastline erodes, right? So if we fill in some of the waterfront, it's like we're claiming back land that was taken over millennia by the sea! We'll call it ... reclamation!



This has resulted in the coastline getting further and further away from where it was in the 1800's when the Qing ceded Hong Kong to Britain. One of the main roads, Des Voeux Road Central, is relatively far from the water today but was right next to it in the 1880's. Basically, if you follow the tram route, you're on the original coast.

So what you're saying is that much of modern HK wasn't part of the Qing lease, and was dredged from the ocean by the British. So either dredging doesn't mean poo poo for sovereignty and China doesn't own the SCS islands, or if it does and they do, Britain still owns HK? Way to cite precedent China...

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