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Hamelekim posted:The more transhumanist movies we have out there the better. As long as it has cool action scenes it will do well in theaters. That aside, yeah, the movie is a bit heavy on the "look, Japan!" element, especially since the film is set in Hong Kong for (some dumb reason). K. Waste posted:I think it's time to just watch Snow White and the Huntsmen, already.
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phasmid posted:The problem with transhumanism is that its adherents seem to think they are important enough to be worthy of immortality. If anything, these tales are cautionary. Yeah, it attracts those weirdo Silicon Valley technolibertarians like Rob Rhinehart, a guy who wears a brand new nomex flightsuit everyday while trying to huck his Soylent meal replacement poo poo to homeless people; Oculus founder and Trump supporter Palmer Luckey, who has claimed that the early adopters of VR will be poor third-worlders because they have supposedly have more to escape from like poverty and starvation than Westerners; or upcoming vampire overlord, PayPal founder Peter Thiel. phasmid posted:That aside, yeah, the movie is a bit heavy on the "look, Japan!" element, especially since the film is set in Hong Kong for (some dumb reason). It's even of Hong Kong that no longer exists: Kowloon got loving razed in the early '90s, the international airport diverted the air traffic from Kai Tak that made famous all those Hong Kong flyover landings (and air crashes), and the neon signs are largely being replaced by more efficient LED lighting as well as by increasing government regulation. It's akin to making a movie set in future New York today where there's 24-hour grindhouse theaters, open prostitution and drug dealing in post-Giuliani, Disneyified Time Square.
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Transhumanism, much like Libertarianism, is a very good way to figure out how much of a piece of poo poo someone is.
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phasmid posted:The problem with transhumanism is that its adherents seem to think they are important enough to be worthy of immortality. If anything, these tales are cautionary. In the manga turning into a cyborg is literally an extreme form of cosmetic surgery. Military cyborgs like the major are in the minority. A whole chapter is dedicated to explaining the process. This while old people who can't afford the process or to retire to somewhere warm are thrown out into the street together with the trash.
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Renoistic posted:In the manga turning into a cyborg is literally an extreme form of cosmetic surgery. Military cyborgs like the major are in the minority. A whole chapter is dedicated to explaining the process. This while old people who can't afford the process or to retire to somewhere warm are thrown out into the street together with the trash. Isn't that where the Solid State Society came in? Iirc it was a bunch of olds who accrued lots of money and piled it together, then kidnapped orphans so they could transfer their "ghosts" in to new hosts. That's what I got anyway. The ending was so weird, I wasn't quite sure how the plot resolved. They implied it was Kuze behind it, but that seems uncharacteristic of him. Also, what a perfect chance to off Togusa in a poignant way...but it's cool that he was a meaningful enough character to keep him around, as unlikely as his salvation was.
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Renoistic posted:In the manga turning into a cyborg is literally an extreme form of cosmetic surgery. Military cyborgs like the major are in the minority. A whole chapter is dedicated to explaining the process. This while old people who can't afford the process or to retire to somewhere warm are thrown out into the street together with the trash. In the manga, Japan is a welfare state but it's like the worst form of it since the baseline isn't a satisfaction of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it's you're homeless but not starving. Remember that poo poo I was talking about Soylent and how they want homeless people to eat it? There's a bit in GITS2.0 where a can of...something is dropped down a chute and homeless people fight over it. It's like the end form of that, totally disconnected, "be grateful you slobs have our largess and don't complain"...  phasmid posted:Isn't that where the Solid State Society came in? Iirc it was a bunch of olds who accrued lots of money and piled it together, then kidnapped orphans so they could transfer their "ghosts" in to new hosts. That's what I got anyway. The ending was so weird, I wasn't quite sure how the plot resolved. They implied it was Kuze behind it, but that seems uncharacteristic of him. Also, what a perfect chance to off Togusa in a poignant way...but it's cool that he was a meaningful enough character to keep him around, as unlikely as his salvation was. Actually an aspect of Kusanagi is behind that plot
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Young Freud posted:In the manga, Japan is a welfare state but it's like the worst form of it since the baseline isn't a satisfaction of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it's you're homeless but not starving. Remember that poo poo I was talking about Soylent and how they want homeless people to eat it? There's a bit in GITS2.0 where a can of...something is dropped down a chute and homeless people fight over it. It's like the end form of that, totally disconnected, "be grateful you slobs have our largess and don't complain"... Hmmmm does the whole anime ? Have little foot notes? I think I could tolerate it enough to read the anime.
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Yeah there are a bunch of footnotes, author notes and one-page 'snapshots' of future life scattered throughout the comic. Shirow had kind of the same thing going on as Neil Stevenson (sci-fi author) where sometimes his characters will go off on tangents or long conversations about stuff that are clearly things that the author himself thinks are cool and just wants to tell people about. It's pretty neat in the first comic and adds a ton of life to the setting. Gets weirder in his later stuff though.
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Young Freud posted:Actually an aspect of Kusanagi is behind that plot Yeah, even a guy like Shirow who is obviously a real technophile puts in warnings about the future. Generally, there's enough poverty and squalor to be glaring, even if the main characters mostly ignore it. Even relative "nice guys" like Aramaki aren't concerned with such things, either because they're trivial or inevitable under their current way of life.
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phasmid posted:Huh. I didn't take that away from it, so it might be time to re-watch it. I know the V For Vendetta cavalcade of faces that shows when Kusanagi is looking at that guy's blown-off face makes it confusing, but it ends Kusanagi looking at herself. Also, watch the scene where Kusanagi's room of doubles is introduced, because you can see that guy leaving.. It's also a trope that comes up often in the source material rereading through one of the chapters tonight, the unseen South American narcoterrorist "Anaconda" that Section 1 is making deals with Kusanagi's old terrorist enemy is supposedly Kusanagi herself, whom she and Aramaki set up to so as to control terror groups since it's easier to neutralize them that way instead of killing them. Kusanagi-vs.-Kusanagi trope is much more explicit in GITS2.0 - Man Machine Interface, since Motoko Aramaki's literally fighting the Motoko-Puppeteer merged children that she herself is one as well as showing up in ARISE the bomber is supposedly using some sort of software copy of Kusanagi-as-terrorist to become self-radicalized and learn how to make bombs.. phasmid posted:Yeah, even a guy like Shirow who is obviously a real technophile puts in warnings about the future. Generally, there's enough poverty and squalor to be glaring, even if the main characters mostly ignore it. Even relative "nice guys" like Aramaki aren't concerned with such things, either because they're trivial or inevitable under their current way of life. "Appleseed" is a lot more of cautious. He's said that he did his worldbuilding conservatively, otherwise he felt that that world would have blown themselves up and be nothing but cockroaches. The second book is where is probably the best example of that, where the Olympus council of bioroids, genetically-engineered humans with extremely regulated bodies made to serve and help man, essentially decides that humanity isn't worth saving (complete with a bioroid senator that looks a lot like a famous German dictator smiling at the thought) and it's better to force transition them into being bioroids without their consent.
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phasmid posted:The problem with transhumanism is that its adherents seem to think they are important enough to be worthy of immortality. If anything, these tales are cautionary. You do know that the O.G. GITS movie was based off Hong Kong, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_(1995_film)#Design posted:Oshii based the setting for Ghost in the Shell on Hong Kong. Oshii commented that his first thought to find an image of the future setting was an Asian city, but finding a suitable cityscape of the future would be impossible. Oshii chose to use the real streets of Hong Kong as his model.[7] He also said that Hong Kong was the perfect subject and theme for the film with its countless signs and the cacophony of sounds.[4] The film's mecha designer Takeuchi Atsushi noted that while the film does not have a chosen setting, it is obviously based on Hong Kong because the city represented the theme of the film, the old and the new which exist in a strange relationship in an age of an information deluge. Before shooting the film, the artists drew sketches that emphasized Hong Kong's chaotic, confusing and overwhelming aspects.[7] I don't think where it's physically set has to make much difference as long as they get the atmosphere they're going for.
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Young Freud posted:I know the V For Vendetta cavalcade of faces that shows when Kusanagi is looking at that guy's blown-off face makes it confusing, but it ends Kusanagi looking at herself. Also, watch the scene where Kusanagi's room of doubles is introduced, because you can see that guy leaving.. It's also a trope that comes up often in the source material rereading through one of the chapters tonight, the unseen South American narcoterrorist "Anaconda" that Section 1 is making deals with Kusanagi's old terrorist enemy is supposedly Kusanagi herself, whom she and Aramaki set up to so as to control terror groups since it's easier to neutralize them that way instead of killing them. Kusanagi-vs.-Kusanagi trope is much more explicit in GITS2.0 - Man Machine Interface, since Motoko Aramaki's literally fighting the Motoko-Puppeteer merged children that she herself is one as well as showing up in ARISE the bomber is supposedly using some sort of software copy of Kusanagi-as-terrorist to become self-radicalized and learn how to make bombs..  Young Freud posted:"Appleseed" is a lot more of cautious. He's said that he did his worldbuilding conservatively, otherwise he felt that that world would have blown themselves up and be nothing but cockroaches. The second book is where is probably the best example of that, where the Olympus council of bioroids, genetically-engineered humans with extremely regulated bodies made to serve and help man, essentially decides that humanity isn't worth saving (complete with a bioroid senator that looks a lot like a famous German dictator smiling at the thought) and it's better to force transition them into being bioroids without their consent. DeusExMachinima posted:You do know that the O.G. GITS movie was based off Hong Kong, right? Reserving judgement, but I'm not expecting a movie that gives you the kinds of twists and warps and flat-out mind-fuckery of some of the better GitS fare. I'm basically expecting Aeon Flux: a great concept that Hollywood hacked to bits because they can't do adaptations right unless its some Oscar bait poo poo. Also, this director did that one movie and it's going to be hard to forgive him for that.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I mean, there's a tiny bit of stuff about how your gender doesn't really matter when you can stick your brain into a new body but it doesn't really come up. I think Batou asks the Major why she isn't in a male body once in Arise or SAC but I can't think of any characters offhand that are explicitly stated to be trans or in a body that doesn't match their gender. Been a long time since I watched the anime and movie but I thought it was kept really ambiguous whether the Major's original biological body, that she lost as a child, was really male or female. And I guess it doesn't matter.
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phasmid posted:I had read that, yes, but since everyone had Japanese names, I thought it was pretty much granted that they were in Japan. Lots of movies do things like that, even live action. Like, they'll say "Seoul" and show a prominent building in Melbourne, then show a sky line of some other city. I think there's a distinction between taking inspiration from how a city looks and doing what appears to be "the reason the Major is not Japanese is because she's in China, okaaaaaaay?" Most of the GitS animated adaptations take place in a Hong-Kong knockoff city in Japan that rises to prominence after the Kanto region (Tokyo etc) are destroyed. In the original movie and Innocence I don't think they ever come right out and name it though it's obviously HK with the serial numbers filed off. In SAC it's explicitly called Niihama, and in Arise it's New Port City.
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DarkSol posted:Are Kenji Kawai's other works as good as the original GitS soundtrack is? gently caress and yes. Him, Yuki Kaijura, and Shiro Sagisu are the best composers currently working in anime. (Yoko Kanno and Susumu Hirasawa would fill out a "top 5 ever" but I think they're both semi-retired? I know Hirasawa mostly focuses on his own music and just occasionally contributes to Berserk stuff nowadays, I'm way less sure about Kanno.)
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:gently caress and yes. Him, Yuki Kaijura, and Shiro Sagisu are the best composers currently working in anime. Here's an interview with her from a couple of years ago: http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2014/11/yoko-kanno-interview She is continuing to work at a slightly slower pace than ten years ago, but doesn't look like she's quitting anytime soon. She looks the same as she did when I met her in 1999; IS SHE A CYBORG?
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Young Freud posted:Yeah, it attracts those weirdo Silicon Valley The liberal side of Silicon Valley is just as guilty of this. Amazon providing laptops and teaching code to refugees in Africa, has more to do with procuring consumer data than actual charity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yFhR1fKWG0
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phasmid posted:You, Young Freud, are the reason that I am going to finally watch Appleseed after twenty years of ignoring it. Oh man, I'd just find the manga. I have not been happy with any Appleseed anime adaptation, TBH. They tend to oversimplify a lot of stuff to a heavy degree. They've also whitewashed the leads: the manga Deunan is specifically mentioned to be an octoroon and "darker than other Caucasians" and Briaeros' original body before being cyborged was I believe North African. Deunan's entire backstory was rewritten to make her more relevant to the plot of the Shinji Aramaki movie and Ex Machina made a clone of Briaeros a white dude. Fake edit: Oh man, rereading that chapter, I forgot how casual racist Deunan was.
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FuturePastNow posted:Been a long time since I watched the anime and movie but I thought it was kept really ambiguous whether the Major's original biological body, that she lost as a child, was really male or female. And I guess it doesn't matter. It might be in some of the other canons, but in SAC she was explicitly a little girl before being cyberized: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgico_Psbgk One of the things I hate most about Arise is that they decided not to go the route of the movie and manga and leave her backstory completely ambiguous, but also tossed out her completely plausible backstory from SAC for the ridiculous "I was cyberized in the womb" thing.
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Darth Nat posted:It might be in some of the other canons, but in SAC she was explicitly a little girl before being cyberized: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgico_Psbgk Ah, excellent. I'd blanked on the details of the story. It's been a while.
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Young Freud posted:Fake edit: Oh man, rereading that chapter, I forgot how casual racist Deunan was. Shirow's protags tend to be a bit controversial. The Major has this bit in the manga where she sees a protest against extrajudicial killings and is all 'Those plebs don't know what they're talking about, pathetic'. Leona from Tank Police would mow down semi-peaceful protesters on several occasions if her partner weren't actually a sane person.
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Renoistic posted:Shirow's protags tend to be a bit controversial. The Major has this bit in the manga where she sees a protest against extrajudicial killings and is all 'Those plebs don't know what they're talking about, pathetic'. Kusanagi literally tells a war orphan "BOOTSTRAPS" in the first chapter with the orphanage work center. Renoistic posted:Leona from Tank Police would mow down semi-peaceful protesters on several occasions if her partner weren't actually a sane person. Leona's practically a parody, so I'm dismissive of it.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Why are you watching Ghost In The Shell for the plot. Innocence really is an underrated film, I don't get how people dismiss it over the mangas which often aren't even translated as well as they're written in Japanese.
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Okay I read the Manga or whatever it's called and uh.... yeah that wasn't that great. I liked all his footnotes though that was interesting.
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Manga is not good. Shocker.
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Midjack posted:Here's an interview with her from a couple of years ago: http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2014/11/yoko-kanno-interview Maybe she knows something about "Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence" (SENS) or has invested in immortality technology with Renaissance Technologies.
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The Laughing Man posted:Innocence really is an underrated film, I don't get how people dismiss it over the mangas which often aren't even translated as well as they're written in Japanese. I still haven't seen Innocence, but the manga is legit terrible. How that turned into something as good as the movie/SAC is kind of a miracle.
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The Laughing Man posted:Innocence really is an underrated film, I don't get how people dismiss it over the mangas which often aren't even translated as well as they're written in Japanese. The nonstop quotations are a real turnoff for me. I watched it when it came out, didn't like it, and ignored it until watching it a few months ago. I did like it better this time but still feel like they needed to have a bibliography in the credits.
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Hakkesshu posted:I still haven't seen Innocence, but the manga is legit terrible. How that turned into something as good as the movie/SAC is kind of a miracle. Well the movie is basicly Oshii being Oshii, a lot of his other works share similarities, like the Patlabor films and Jin-Roh. And the series was heavily based on the movie.
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Is there any info on the crazy-eyes guy? Is that Boma or Pazu?
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Midjack posted:The nonstop quotations are a real turnoff for me. I watched it when it came out, didn't like it, and ignored it until watching it a few months ago. I did like it better this time but still feel like they needed to have a bibliography in the credits. That's actually kind of a joke in that movie. I believe there's at one point that Togusa turns to Batou and admits that neither one would be dropping those quotes if it wasn't for the fact they're subconsciously using their cyberbrains to Google them up to make them look smarter.
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Improbable Lobster posted:For me, the Laughing Man suffered from being much more interesting before the mystery was solved. That's why I liked 2nd GIG more. I also forgot Solid State Society in my list. Haven't watched it in quite a while but I thought it wasn't half bad. I'd put it somewhere in the middle. This video sums up the laughing man phenomena in a very robust way. It's a social phenomenon similar to the Red Queen hypothesis in genetics or Outlier theory by guys like Malcolm Gladwell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogvMnx-2nFg
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MariusLecter posted:Manga is not good. Shocker. It wasn't incomprehensible to read and he's a very good artist. Plus he draws cool future stuff. I just couldn't follow what the gently caress was going on half the time.
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The later manga with the crappy CGI looks like Sea Patrol.
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Hollismason posted:It wasn't incomprehensible to read and he's a very good artist. Plus he draws cool future stuff. I just couldn't follow what the gently caress was going on half the time. I was going to ask what issue you had with the book, but that's a legit complaint. They tend to be complex, if not completely convoluted plots. Sometimes you have to reread it to get an idea of what's going on (like the whole "Anaconda" thing I mentioned earlier, but that's because it's a recurring trope in the SAC and ARISE). I feel GITS 1.5 is superior largely because it's shorter and it's stories have to be more quickly resolved. He does action scenes really well: the spider tank fight, in particular, is memorable and you can see why the movie and the TV show love to bring make reference to it. It's no "knife fight from Appleseed", however, which remains Shirow's superior fight scene. Corek posted:The later manga with the crappy CGI looks like Sea Patrol. It's got some interesting ideas, but yeah, the whole execution is blown because of Shirow believing his own hype as well as experimenting with CG. If you look at my history in this thread, I have a complete breakdown comparing the first volume to GITS2.0. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Apparently, Kenji Kamiyama is hinting that there maybe a third season of the best Ghost In The Shell, GITS: Stand Alone Complex, coming up. http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/09/26/kenji-kamiyama-teases-ghost-in-the-shell-news/
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Hey anime nerds Why did the major: Bumrush the spider tank when she coulda just waited 5 minutes Not shoot the optics
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