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Rockopolis
Dec 21, 2012

I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird

P.d0t posted:

Hypothetically, if one were to release a basic/starter set/free trial version of one's D&D clone, how much of a grognard faux pas would it be to use, say, a Warlock instead of a Wizard and a Barbarian instead of a Fighter, for your core/sample classes?
Is it a game about being wildly impulsive, self-destructive, tragic heroes?

...are you making a Fiasco pastiche of D&D?

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P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...

Countblanc posted:

i'd probably wonder why you were doing it unless (a) you were deliberately trying to make a point or (b) you didn't think your "staple" classes were mechanically interesting compared to those, but i dont think it'd stop most people who would actually look at it in the first place from doing so


Yeah, it has to do with the way I have classes slotted.
Like, Wizard and Fighter and such are in the larger designs, I'm just thinking in terms of a stripped-down version.

Anyway, I know the folks in my town (if the local Facebook D&D group is any indication) are fairly grognardly, hence why I asked.


Rockopolis posted:

Is it a game about being wildly impulsive, self-destructive, tragic heroes?

...are you making a Fiasco pastiche of D&D?

I haven't really worked that part out yet (mostly been doing mechanics) but that sort of storytelling/storygaming angle suits my personal tastes just fine.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!

Maxwell Lord posted:

I think I'm coming around to the position that Mutants and Masterminds 3rd ed.- at least the DC Adventures version- is worse than 2nd. The point costs make it hard to make a truly versatile character and still hit all the benchmarks (and per the RAW you do have to keep to the points budget even if balance-wise the benchmarks are the important thing), the organization is really bad and the advice for building NPCs is buried somewhere in chargen. And I realize that encounter balance isn't as big as in, say, a D&D-type game because it's fairly nonlethal and sometimes the heroes are supposed to lose, but I don't think that's an excuse for having NO encounter guidelines whatsoever.

Speaking as somebody who's run every iteration of M&M at one point or another, how they handle attributes and bonuses is a goddamn mess, especially without explicit guidance on it. The fact there are, say, three different ways to buy attack bonus is confusing enough, and the fact that you have to spent points on it at all is a bit ridiculous given that you should just be buying it to your Power Level cap anyway 90% of the time (give or take based on tradeoffs).

I like how they improved the power structure in general but the fact that attributes are just packages of other bonuses you can buy separately (and this is not explained clearly enough for new players) is a mess. It's a game that really would have benefited from excising ability scores entirely and just assuming people have their attack, defense, and saves at Power Level (once again, give or take based on tradeoffs) instead.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Alien Rope Burn posted:

Speaking as somebody who's run every iteration of M&M at one point or another, how they handle attributes and bonuses is a goddamn mess, especially without explicit guidance on it. The fact there are, say, three different ways to buy attack bonus is confusing enough, and the fact that you have to spent points on it at all is a bit ridiculous given that you should just be buying it to your Power Level cap anyway 90% of the time (give or take based on tradeoffs).

I like how they improved the power structure in general but the fact that attributes are just packages of other bonuses you can buy separately (and this is not explained clearly enough for new players) is a mess. It's a game that really would have benefited from excising ability scores entirely and just assuming people have their attack, defense, and saves at Power Level (once again, give or take based on tradeoffs) instead.

You know what? If I ever run M&M again I'm going to do just that. I'll have to figure out how to handle a couple of things (might just remove a bunch of skills and such) because they'd be unnecessary, and it might require a PP adjustment, depending on the players.

Scyther
Dec 29, 2010

I haven't so much as read the latest edition of M&M, so it could very well have changed everything, but I think what would have most improved 2e for me was having an At-Will/Encounter power split to give you a meaningful way to have both bread-and-butter attacks and bigass attacks.

None of that attack bonus/damage bonus seesaw bullshit where you can theoretically attach limitations to your powers but the only benefit to doing so is a points discount.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!
One of the issues is also that trading for damage bonus over attack bonus is almost always advantageous. Worse comes to worse, take All-Out Attack and Accurate Attack (or both) to make up for if you're in an unhittable situation, but the way Hero Points work means it's a lot easier to make up for a lack of accuracy than a lack of damage, and damage is what lets you knock people into death spirals. I'd say a better tradeoff system would somehow be 2-for-3 (that is, +2 damage = -3 attack), but that's a pain to math on a d20.

I think trying to turn M&M into a more tactical game would require a much more significant retool, tho.

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!
Some sort of M&M... 4e, perhaps? :v:

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

drrockso20 posted:

that's really neat, too bad the thread is dead already, would have loved to have gotten some contact info from him, and some more info on both the setting and the system it's for

I think he's posting on /tg/ today

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/49492001#p49493502

quote:

I decided to write a bunch for random name generators for my setting, check them out:

http://randomnames.co.nf

Although I wrote them with specific races in mind, the names are generic enough that they can be used by any DM. Feel free to use them for your needs.

I'm also taking requests for thematic random name generators - but only if you comment on those I made so far.

----------

Lightning Lord posted:

Monstress is absolutely a great comic. "Eldritch horror handled well in fantasy comics" is something I'll have to think about (does Hellboy and BPRD count because if so those are no-brainers) DC's Warlord is another sword & sorcery comic (with a lost world wrinkle) that does that pretty well I think. The original Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld has some stuff like that too and is an interesting cultural artifact for being sort of a Western take on the magical girl genre before that was even a thing most Americans would know about, pretty sure the creators did not. It's also pretty decent.

Thanks for this question. It's going to take me some time to draft a response to this (I have to dig up Lovecraft's Supernatural Horror in Literature for one).

Helical Nightmares fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Sep 24, 2016

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Speaking as somebody who's run every iteration of M&M at one point or another, how they handle attributes and bonuses is a goddamn mess, especially without explicit guidance on it. The fact there are, say, three different ways to buy attack bonus is confusing enough, and the fact that you have to spent points on it at all is a bit ridiculous given that you should just be buying it to your Power Level cap anyway 90% of the time (give or take based on tradeoffs).

I like how they improved the power structure in general but the fact that attributes are just packages of other bonuses you can buy separately (and this is not explained clearly enough for new players) is a mess. It's a game that really would have benefited from excising ability scores entirely and just assuming people have their attack, defense, and saves at Power Level (once again, give or take based on tradeoffs) instead.

I think there's some element of genre emulation in that the multiple ways to buy attack or damage bonus simulates how some heroes have superhuman strength and others do the same with gadgets or power suits or are trained in the mystic arts or whatever. I think it does a good job showing how heroes can be at the same level of competency despite having different powers- it does "Batman being almost as powerful as Superman despite not having any superpowers" well.

But yeah the presentation is clear as mud (and a lot of the GM text in the 3rd edition book is copy-pasted from 2nd edition, so I think they could have dumped some of the generic advice in favor of "here's how the system actually works" talk.)

P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...
Which of these sounds better/best?
  • Martial Might & Divine Power
  • Martial Power & Divine Might
  • Divine Might & Martial Power
  • Divine Power & Martial Might

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
The first one.

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
The last one.

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Either, because alliteration is good.

Rockopolis
Dec 21, 2012

I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird
Probably the first one. What's the context?

Is this like a high fantasy military-industrial complex, a sacred martial complex?
After the last great war, the various war gods keep tensions high to keep demand for warriors, worshippers high?

Tsilkani
Jul 28, 2013

I like the second one, actually. It feels more natural than the alliteration.

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.
Martial and Divine, Might And/Or Power
The Mighty Power of the Divine And Martial
Bandai presents the Mighty Martial Power Diviners.


Siivola posted:

Either, [the first or the last] because alliteration is good.

NachtSieger
Apr 10, 2013



Tossing my vote in for Martial Power & Divine Might.

P.d0t
Dec 27, 2007
I released my finger from the trigger, and then it was over...

Rockopolis posted:

What's the context?

For all intents and purposes, think "title for an Essentials book," i.e. Heroes of ____

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

P.d0t posted:

For all intents and purposes, think "title for an Essentials book," i.e. Heroes of ____



I'm a carrier of the alliteration disease so I'd say the last one.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



So the Apocalypse World 2nd edition PDF's were just sent out to all the Kickstarter backers over DriveThruRPG. Haven't been following the development at all, or started reading the book yet, but that was a happy surprise on my Monday morning.

No word on when the dead trees version is shipping, though.

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



I just want to be able to buy it in PDF.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Zurui posted:

I just want to be able to buy it in PDF.

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/194344/Apocalypse-World-2nd-Ed

:confused:

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



Oh. I just saw "released to backers" and assumed it was exclusive!

Thanks!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Is there a term for that drawing style that you do in maps, particularly by that Dyson person, where the negative space beyond the wall/inside the rock mountain is crosshatched?

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
By the way, has anyone reviewed the variety of unique settings put out there by FATE for pay-what-you-want on RPG Now?

I'm talking settings like : Eagle Eyes, Mortis, Psychedemia, etc.

http://www.rpgnow.com/browse.php?filters=0_0_44284_0_0

http://www.rpgnow.com/product/144754/Eagle-Eyes--A-World-of-Adventure-for-Fate-Core?filters=0_0_44284_0_0

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


I've been a backer on Patreon for the Evil Hat ones and they're generally pretty good. Plus of course you don't have to pay for them if you just want to check them out.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
I am really quite impressed by iOS pathfinder adventures card game.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
A while back there was a link to a web app where you could "draw" a dungeon either with the mouse or the keyboard, and it's not Grid Cartographer nor Dungeonographer. Anyone remember what that is?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Helical Nightmares posted:

I am really quite impressed by iOS pathfinder adventures card game.

Complicated as gently caress for someone who doesnt already know the card game, but I quite like it too. The only way to get new heroes beyond the two free ones (thief and cleric) is to spend real money though, which sorta blows.

At least I think thats the only way, its been while since I played it.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Drone posted:

Complicated as gently caress for someone who doesnt already know the card game, but I quite like it too. The only way to get new heroes beyond the two free ones (thief and cleric) is to spend real money though, which sorta blows.

At least I think thats the only way, its been while since I played it.

You can buy a 4 hero package for 6000 gold. The tutorial mission got me 120 gold for reference so I'm assuming you can grind it in game. I've just completed the tutorial and played around with the hero screen though.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Crosspost:

My [31F] Husband [33M] of 4 years doesn't take our roleplaying serious when we have sex! He purposely takes his characters way over the top!

So we've been with eachother for 6 years. Our sex life is just as good as when it started, I just wanted to try out some kinkier stuff so I suggested roleplaying. Kevin (husband) was somewhat open to the idea, but also thought it was a bit ridiculous. This is something I've always wanted to try, sort of like a fetish. So we got a few costumes, a Cop outfit and a Spy trenchcoat for him, and a nurse and cheerleader outfit for me. All of our roleplaying revolves around one person being in character, and the other interacting with them.

But he takes his roles as a joke! He goes intentionally extreme with the roles. I know he thinks it's a bit ridiculous, and I know he has more fun when he does this, but I want a real roleplay!

For example, when he dressed up as the Cop, he was supposed to do a stop and frisk, arrest me, etc, but in a sexy way. But instead, he kicks open the door, screams "HANDS UP THIS IS A RAID" and basically tackles me to the bed (this is OKAY it's NOT ABUSE we have rough dom/sub sex all the time), handcuffs me, literally reads me my Miranda Rights, leaves me there and rummages through the drawers throwing stuff everywhere, pulls out a little baggy of weed and goes apeshit like a cop might. I play a long, try to get him to 'let me go' if I can do sexual favours for him. Then we have some rough sex with handcuffs and everything. The actual sex was good but he kept speaking into his fake radio calling for backup, when I was on top he would shout OFFICER DOWN OFFICER DOWN.

With the Spy outfit he would come in and check me for wires and do the whole Pink Panther thing where he says "It is lovely weather we are having" while sneaking to the drapes and then beating the drapes up. I was envisioning a more James Bond-eqsue seduction.

Like, I like the sex, it's good, but I wanted a more porn-like experience. And it was kinda funny but not what I thought. And I KNOW that he thinks roleplay is ridiculous, and that he is trying to have fun with it but I feel like he doesn't know what I want. And I don't hate him for it, he's a big fuckin goofball in or out of our roles, but I want to have MY experience. How can I tell him this?

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



Can we not do fakeposts

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.

Helical Nightmares posted:

You can buy a 4 hero package for 6000 gold. The tutorial mission got me 120 gold for reference so I'm assuming you can grind it in game. I've just completed the tutorial and played around with the hero screen though.

I grinded out enough free play scenarios to buy a character; I went with sorcerer. It's a good game and I got good mileage out of it for free but it did get repetitive

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

TheLovablePlutonis posted:

Crosspost:

My [31F] Husband [33M] of 4 years doesn't take our roleplaying serious when we have sex! He purposely takes his characters way over the top!

So we've been with eachother for 6 years. Our sex life is just as good as when it started, I just wanted to try out some kinkier stuff so I suggested roleplaying. Kevin (husband) was somewhat open to the idea, but also thought it was a bit ridiculous. This is something I've always wanted to try, sort of like a fetish. So we got a few costumes, a Cop outfit and a Spy trenchcoat for him, and a nurse and cheerleader outfit for me. All of our roleplaying revolves around one person being in character, and the other interacting with them.

But he takes his roles as a joke! He goes intentionally extreme with the roles. I know he thinks it's a bit ridiculous, and I know he has more fun when he does this, but I want a real roleplay!

For example, when he dressed up as the Cop, he was supposed to do a stop and frisk, arrest me, etc, but in a sexy way. But instead, he kicks open the door, screams "HANDS UP THIS IS A RAID" and basically tackles me to the bed (this is OKAY it's NOT ABUSE we have rough dom/sub sex all the time), handcuffs me, literally reads me my Miranda Rights, leaves me there and rummages through the drawers throwing stuff everywhere, pulls out a little baggy of weed and goes apeshit like a cop might. I play a long, try to get him to 'let me go' if I can do sexual favours for him. Then we have some rough sex with handcuffs and everything. The actual sex was good but he kept speaking into his fake radio calling for backup, when I was on top he would shout OFFICER DOWN OFFICER DOWN.

With the Spy outfit he would come in and check me for wires and do the whole Pink Panther thing where he says "It is lovely weather we are having" while sneaking to the drapes and then beating the drapes up. I was envisioning a more James Bond-eqsue seduction.

Like, I like the sex, it's good, but I wanted a more porn-like experience. And it was kinda funny but not what I thought. And I KNOW that he thinks roleplay is ridiculous, and that he is trying to have fun with it but I feel like he doesn't know what I want. And I don't hate him for it, he's a big fuckin goofball in or out of our roles, but I want to have MY experience. How can I tell him this?

I recommend rerolling your characters here and trying out something a bit more risque to really get your husband in the mood




might I suggest monsterhearts?

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
Meanwhile, on Deviant Art

I have no idea how this idea got started. Three's Company, Dr Strange crossover.



This was called "The Deal". Perfect for Mouse Guard.




Meanwhile from the cofounder of Failbetter Games (Fallen London, Sunless Sea)

I forget which goon posted about this in a thread a couple of weeks ago so thanks to them.



quote:

Cultist Simulator: Art, Menace, Release Date

Hello all,

I know I should pretend that this email is sent to just one person, but you know you signed up to a list, so blow that. I'm going to imagine I'm addressing a roomful of people, some of whom are looking at their phones or thinking about lunch. Hi.

The Javascript alpha prototype of Cultist Simulator got a lot of useful feedback. The most useful piece was 'more, please!' So I'm treating this as an Actual Project now, with a tentative release date of Halloween 2017 if it all comes together. There's a lot more information, and some very nice UI art, here:

http://weatherfactory.biz/cultist-simulator/

Please do take a look, and if you have any thoughts or questions, reply to this email or post them at https://www.reddit.com/r/weatherfactory .

-------

While I'm here, there's a couple of interviews with me about my upcoming BioWare gig (that's the reason Cultist Simulator has such a distant launch date despite being a modest project - but I'm NOT COMPLAINING)

where was I? a couple of interviews about the BioWare gig that might interest you.

http://www.pcgamer.com/failbetter-founder-alexis-kennedy-on-indie-storytelling-and-guest-writing-for-bioware/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-12-sunless-sea-writer-signs-up-for-new-bioware-project

AND FINALLY my old company, Failbetter Games just announced Sunless Skies, the sequel to Sunless Sea. I have no involvement with it at all, but it's a very Failbetter project, and if you like my work it's a safe bet that you'll want to find out more about Sunless Skies.


http://www.failbettergames.com/7-facts-about-our-next-game/

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

gradenko_2000 posted:

A while back there was a link to a web app where you could "draw" a dungeon either with the mouse or the keyboard, and it's not Grid Cartographer nor Dungeonographer. Anyone remember what that is?
I use http://pyromancers.com/dungeon-painter-online/ and it works pretty well.

Rosalie_A
Oct 30, 2011
Hi chat thread, I normally only read you instead of posting.

So I have a favor to ask. I'm currently taking a class at my university. Specifically, it's "Business of Games", run by an entrepreneurship professor who also happens to be a giant nerd, so there's some nice cross discipline mixing there. Our assignment for this week was to come up with a survey for our game/company/service we're marketing and get people to take it (Well, okay, we did that last week and now we're to revise them and get more respondents but still!). I give this context because while it's for a business class, and yes it's a board game idea I have kicking around (basically my wife and I going "what if there was a JRPG version of BSG?"), it's not an actual marketing survey and I'm not trying to stealth market research you guys, I'm just looking for data for my class (i.e. this isn't for something I actually want to sell, it was just what I picked for the various class projects)..

Of course, my problem is that due to Various Things, I'm a bit behind schedule on this and I may have a slight deadline of like fourteen hours from now to get as many responses as I can. I'm not exactly going to claim excellent student on this one. So, if people could be awesome and take the survey, it shouldn't be more than seven minutes or so.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JWLNJCS

Also if you all hate me for this and I'm in trouble with the fuzz, my apologies. I'm going to cross post this in the Board Games thread for obvious reasons so Ettin, if you decide to probate me and edit this to a mocking message for my insolence, I can save you the trouble of having to look anywhere else; it'll only be those two threads.

If that doesn't happen and people do take the survey then I like you very much and thank you.

Rockopolis
Dec 21, 2012

I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird
Well, you've got one more.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Thanks, fam.

Trasson posted:

Of course, my problem is that due to Various Things, I'm a bit behind schedule on this and I may have a slight deadline of like fourteen hours from now to get as many responses as I can. I'm not exactly going to claim excellent student on this one. So, if people could be awesome and take the survey, it shouldn't be more than seven minutes or so.

I got you, fam.

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remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

Trasson posted:



If that doesn't happen and people do take the survey then I like you very much and thank you.

I have felt this pain myself. Good luck on the assignment.


On the matter of some of the questions. Is there a relatively affordable color printing option now days? I have this wonderful b&w brother laser printer that seems never to run out of toner, but color printing has always been the domain of really cheap and terrible inkjet printer's in this household.

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