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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

I think I just built star forts and turtled because fielding large armies is hard.

So it's historically accurate then?

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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Hey, don't you go badmouthing TFR. That Airpower thread is probably my second favorite thread on the forums, right after this one.

The John Ringo Noo thread is also a pro read.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I'm down for everything but I can't believe a thread could actually poo poo-talk D&D while holding up TFR as the paragon of true posting. Completely insane.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

cheerfullydrab posted:

I'm down for everything but I can't believe a thread could actually poo poo-talk D&D while holding up TFR as the paragon of true posting. Completely insane.


I can't believe the guy who said this

cheerfullydrab posted:

I also don't believe my country (the USA) should have been in WW2 at all

has managed to come up with an even worse opinion.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Rodrigo Diaz posted:

What if I told you they were crazy because they don't have shotguns :clint:

I'd wish you the best of luck in your shotgun for every home campaign, then seal myself in a comedy doomsday bunker until the shooting stops.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

cheerfullydrab posted:

I'm down for everything but I can't believe a thread could actually poo poo-talk D&D while holding up TFR as the paragon of true posting. Completely insane.
tfr posters know what they're talking about. unless it's system metternich visiting the map thread, d&d posters don't

edit: this has nothing to do with political opinions. i am talking about basic knowledge of history or the topic of discussion. like the time one of them said that soldiers from the medieval/early modern period were all peasants who were forced to fight, or the guy who said that the mention of the word "slave" in the american national anthem was racist.

HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Sep 25, 2016

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

HEY GAL posted:

edit: this has nothing to do with political opinions. i am talking about basic knowledge of history or the topic of discussion. like the time one of them said that soldiers from the medieval/early modern period were all peasants who were forced to fight, or the guy who said that the mention of the word "slave" in the american national anthem was racist.

Yeah. I'm really goddamned pinko about most issues but D&D posters are embarrassing to share beliefs with because of this. And they're really drat proud of their factually incorrect beliefs too. You can correct them on a matter of basic fact and they'll ignore you and ridicule you for it.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
there are plenty of tfr posters who are full of poo poo too its just they actually get called out there

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

The only way for DnD to not suck is fixing all the legacy crap dating back to Gygax's day somehow making humans who recuse themselves when they don't know or a similarly better breed of moderator. TFR has a much simpler problem because there's so much less you need to know and it's so much easier to get an objectively true source for it, so it's much easier to have a consensus on what's right without it immediately circling down into a slapfight or a truthiness based hivemind.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe
I posted almost exclusively in CE/D&D when I first registered back in 2001 (holy gently caress thats a long time ago) and for years afterwards and it was actually a pretty great forum, then I didn't post/read SA for a couple of years and then came back and it was an absolutely baffling obnoxious terrible place. I have no idea what happened but I think it was related to that weird communist subforum that got the FBIs attention or whatever it was.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

bewbies posted:

I posted almost exclusively in CE/D&D when I first registered back in 2001 (holy gently caress thats a long time ago) and for years afterwards and it was actually a pretty great forum, then I didn't post/read SA for a couple of years and then came back and it was an absolutely baffling obnoxious terrible place. I have no idea what happened but I think it was related to that weird communist subforum that got the FBIs attention or whatever it was.

Same. I remember lots of decent current events discussion, then it started getting heavily libertarian right before I stopped paying attention for a while. When I finally checked in again it was all insane Maoist third worldism and I kind of regret missing the transition.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

P-Mack posted:

Same. I remember lots of decent current events discussion, then it started getting heavily libertarian right before I stopped paying attention for a while. When I finally checked in again it was all insane Maoist third worldism and I kind of regret missing the transition.

Over in the UK D&D thread we're all pretty much hard left socialists and have been for years, it generally works out ok.

Polyakov
Mar 22, 2012


feedmegin posted:

Over in the UK D&D thread we're all pretty much hard left socialists and have been for years, it generally works out ok.

As long as you are a hard left socialist that is.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

The secret is that every subforum other than the one you're currently posting in is terrible.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
What, TFR agreed on 9mm vs. .45 ACP, 5.56mm vs. 7.62mm and, I dunno, Strykers and gun rights?

Because at least /k/ is full folks who get misty-eyed about Rhodesia and who are eagerly waiting for a "chimpout", so I wonder how TFR handles that crowd.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

JcDent posted:

Because at least /k/ is full folks who get misty-eyed about Rhodesia and who are eagerly waiting for a "chimpout", so I wonder how TFR handles that crowd.
cyrano is a mod there, what do you think

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

JcDent posted:

What, TFR agreed on 9mm vs. .45 ACP, 5.56mm vs. 7.62mm and, I dunno, Strykers and gun rights?

Because at least /k/ is full folks who get misty-eyed about Rhodesia and who are eagerly waiting for a "chimpout", so I wonder how TFR handles that crowd.

Not as aggressively and assertively as it used to, but better than most every other gun forum that exists. When the POTUS starts talking about gun control, people get real willing to go along with posters who are openly bigots.

Disinterested
Jun 29, 2011

You look like you're still raking it in. Still killing 'em?

Taerkar posted:

The secret is that every subforum other than the one you're currently posting in is terrible.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Well, I'd post in other subforums if they weren't horrible

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME
this one's probably horrible too

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

bewbies posted:

I posted almost exclusively in CE/D&D when I first registered back in 2001 (holy gently caress thats a long time ago) and for years afterwards and it was actually a pretty great forum, then I didn't post/read SA for a couple of years and then came back and it was an absolutely baffling obnoxious terrible place. I have no idea what happened but I think it was related to that weird communist subforum that got the FBIs attention or whatever it was.

Haha, communist subforum? I must have missed that.

I think it's a demonstration of democracy's failure, really. When reason based refutation means nothing, unwillingness to shut up/ complete lack of shame means everything.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
the only good subforum is wow goons, duh

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



xthetenth posted:

The only way for DnD to not suck is fixing all the legacy crap dating back to Gygax's day
Sadly the fifth edition actually went backwards on a lot of these things, as a design goal.

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

bewbies posted:

I posted almost exclusively in CE/D&D when I first registered back in 2001 (holy gently caress thats a long time ago) and for years afterwards and it was actually a pretty great forum, then I didn't post/read SA for a couple of years and then came back and it was an absolutely baffling obnoxious terrible place. I have no idea what happened but I think it was related to that weird communist subforum that got the FBIs attention or whatever it was.

The middle east thread is good (most of the time anyways).

For anyone who's interested, the tipping point was actually Ron Paul's candidacy. It lead to a clusterfuck of a megathread full of crazy ancaps, an ever growing number of people dunking on said ancaps, and the singularly most dedicated troll I've ever seen. It got so weird that they opened up a subforum for political shitposting. It started mostly just making fun of libertarians, but there was this reverse /pol/ effect, where if you have a bunch of people pretending to be hateful communists it stops being pretend after a while. Then LF got shut down (cause you know, threats against the president) and D&D got back contaminated.

Edit: Hey Trin I'm aware this is first would problems as gently caress, but I've taken the plunge on trying to read your day-by-day blog from the beginning, and it's kind of annoying that there isn't a next button at the bottom of the posts as well as the top.

Patrick Spens fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Sep 25, 2016

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
buy his ebook and it's a lot easier to navigate :eng101:

it's like $3

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

Patrick Spens posted:

Edit: Hey Trin I'm aware this is first would problems as gently caress, but I've taken the plunge on trying to read your day-by-day blog from the beginning, and it's kind of annoying that there isn't a next button at the bottom of the posts as well as the top.

Yeah, I've tried to fix this a few times, and each time it breaks and doesn't do what it's supposed to and you end up missing three or four days at a time using the bottom buttons. The book doesn't have this problem, and you get a lot of added material too!

e; f, thanks

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

Zereth posted:

Sadly the fifth edition actually went backwards on a lot of these things, as a design goal.

At least we still have 4e (albeit the lack of DDI sucks pretty hard).

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

Ensign Expendable posted:

TFR got me into World of Tanks which directed me down the path of Russian archives and butthurt wehraboos.

How often do you run into the Soviet or Allied equivalent of wehraboos? Like, people who are so incredibly into a myth about some Soviet tank's/ship's/weapon's quality that they go frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of one of its flaws?

Patrick Spens posted:

The middle east thread is good (most of the time anyways).

I unbookmarked it after reading one too many "genocide is OK if it's being done to people I don't like" post for my sanity to endure. So I'll have to disagree.

my dad fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Sep 25, 2016

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


I remember bewbies' armyposting. And Laissez Faire was loving magical. I had no idea what was going on most all of the time. Plenty of primo weirdos, wonder what dudes like Toblerone Triangular and Infrateal are doing now. A lot of dudes developed a highly specialized communications/worldview package in that forum that I don't think really translates into anything but yelling at passersby to stop gangstalking you.

e: it wasn't communism, it was maoism-third-worldism with a shitload of modern theory gobbledegook thrown in. Deleuze/Guattari etc. Rhizomes everywhere.

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Sep 25, 2016

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
I don't understand the quirky forums to this day. Maybe I'll never be a true shitposter, just a poser.


my dad posted:

How often do you run into the Soviet or Allied equivalent of wehraboos? Like, people who are so incredibly into a myth about some Soviet tank's/ship's/weapon's quality that they go frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of one of its flaws?


I unbookmarked it after reading one too many "genocide is OK if it's being done to people I don't like" post for my sanity to endure. So I'll have to disagree.

I have seen the soviet-boo bingo card at least one, I think.

I went to check /pol/ on a lark and yeah, it's poo poo through-and-through

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

P-Mack posted:

I can't believe the guy who said this


has managed to come up with an even worse opinion.

My own words... used against me?

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.

my dad posted:

How often do you run into the Soviet or Allied equivalent of wehraboos? Like, people who are so incredibly into a myth about some Soviet tank's/ship's/weapon's quality that they go frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of one of its flaws?

From playing the Wargame series, it seems like you get that about the Soviets all the time.

There's this weird thing with the Soviets in online communities (in my experience) where people go gaga for Nazi stuff and think everything Soviet during WW2 was terrible, but as soon as you transition into the Cold War it flips to Soviet stuff being the best ever.

Polyakov
Mar 22, 2012


my dad posted:

How often do you run into the Soviet or Allied equivalent of wehraboos? Like, people who are so incredibly into a myth about some Soviet tank's/ship's/weapon's quality that they go frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of one of its flaws?

Do you count the devs?

RUSSIAN BIAS! :argh:

I'm still not over the Royal Navy being introduced after both the KM and the Soviet navy in world of warships.

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

my dad posted:


I unbookmarked it after reading one too many "genocide is OK if it's being done to people I don't like" post for my sanity to endure. So I'll have to disagree.

That was the brackets, yeah.

Koramei posted:

buy his ebook and it's a lot easier to navigate :eng101:

it's like $3

That's a good idea, I'll do that.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Koramei posted:

From playing the Wargame series, it seems like you get that about the Soviets all the time.

There's this weird thing with the Soviets in online communities (in my experience) where people go gaga for Nazi stuff and think everything Soviet during WW2 was terrible, but as soon as you transition into the Cold War it flips to Soviet stuff being the best ever.

You don't have Nazis in the Cold War, I'd say. And Cold War was the time when the Soviet capability was being touted all the time (why else would you need to spend so much money to beat them), plus, sometimes you just get tired of American toys.

EDIT: Wargame is going to be releasing Israel as a non-affiliated (non-BLUEFOR or REDFOR) faction, it's going to be wonderful for the chat.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

Patrick Spens posted:

That was the brackets, yeah.

No, the brackets imply that this is something that rarely happens, while in actuality it permeates almost every page of that thread.

Polyakov posted:

I'm still not over the Royal Navy being introduced after both the KM and the Soviet navy in world of warships.

I loved the KM cruiser line while I was still playing World of Warships more than anything else except maybe that slow-rear end low-tier US carrier. :v: Not very good, mind you, the amazing AP doesn't make up for the paper-thin armor, but the playstyle is really drat fun, especially if you get in the zone and just keep landing citadel shots on the enemy.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

JcDent posted:

You don't have Nazis in the Cold War, I'd say. And Cold War was the time when the Soviet capability was being touted all the time (why else would you need to spend so much money to beat them), plus, sometimes you just get tired of American toys.

EDIT: Wargame is going to be releasing Israel as a non-affiliated (non-BLUEFOR or REDFOR) faction, it's going to be wonderful for the chat.

Yeah, remember how the Japanese/Germans were hyped up as being possibly-world-conquering supermen to sell war bonds? That continued after 1945, but with the Soviets. So Soviet military stuff after WW2 has the same sort of appeal to the same kind of people

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

cheerfullydrab posted:

Yeah, remember how the Japanese/Germans were hyped up as being possibly-world-conquering supermen to sell war bonds? That continued after 1945, but with the Soviets. So Soviet military stuff after WW2 has the same sort of appeal to the same kind of people
and even better music

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

JcDent posted:

I have seen the soviet-boo bingo card at least one, I think.

That was a combination of wherabingo and wheraboos inabilty to muster an original thought though.

Koramei posted:

From playing the Wargame series, it seems like you get that about the Soviets all the time.

There's this weird thing with the Soviets in online communities (in my experience) where people go gaga for Nazi stuff and think everything Soviet during WW2 was terrible, but as soon as you transition into the Cold War it flips to Soviet stuff being the best ever.

Kind of, although the german nationalist conspiracy in the Wargame series was loving ludicrous.

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married but discreet
May 7, 2005


Taco Defender
A lot of the soviet military fetishisazion is probably literally Russian propaganda efforts or useful idiots who play right into that as well. For example, the posts any time a ~stealth~ plane is mentioned.

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