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It turns out that one of the best parts got lost by the time it hit the thrift store:goodreads posted:Inspiring in it's awfulness! Deserves negative score. Good ol' prosperity gospel. It's a pretty good match for the 'have faith in what you're doing and you'll totally be rich someday. If you failed it's because you didn't believe hard enough' MLM mindset.
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pig slut lisa posted:The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Ask / Tell > Business, Finance, and Careers > Bad With Money: Just Wait 'til We're Diamond wow
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That was amazing to read. Thank you!
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Senf posted:But the end is the beginning! comedy answer: Merchants of Deception real answer, I looked up the artist and she still seems to do stuff, but her official website seems to have no mention whatsoever of Just wait till we're diamond 
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Sep 24, 2016 21:09
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Maybe instead of her being the mother she was actually the child and this is all a veiled cry for help about her broken childhood that she just wants to move past now 
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The thing that stuck out for me was how Mormon-y the book sounded. Lots of language in there about the family as a business and spreading the MLM through the community. It has a ton of LDS buzzwords and dogwhistle phrases. I know that Mormons have a huge participation rate in MLMs. I wonder if it is intentional. Also, Mormon's being obsessed with MLM: GWM or BWM? You have a huge network of people who are obligated to support you, but it is still an MLM...
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The thing that stuck out for me was how Mormon-y the book sounded. Lots of language in there about the family as a business and spreading the MLM through the community. It has a ton of LDS buzzwords and dogwhistle phrases. Even if they're making something it just gets tithed out at the end of they day anyway
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What's the difference between a pyramid scheme and MLM? I tired to google this, but all the top links are things about how MLMs are cool businesses where you can work from home and have a great income, but you have to watch out for those evil pyramid schemes which are bad and illegal, please read more if you want to work from home to make $$$ but not fall for one of those pyramid scams
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A pyramid scheme is an mlm that the ftc has determined, after settling any appeals, meets the definition of a pyramid scheme.
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Enfys posted:What's the difference between a pyramid scheme and MLM? I tired to google this, but all the top links are things about how MLMs are cool businesses where you can work from home and have a great income, but you have to watch out for those evil pyramid schemes which are bad and illegal, please read more if you want to work from home to make $$$ but not fall for one of those pyramid scams As I understand it Pyramid schemes tend to focus on just earning money by recruiting hapless people below you without an actual product (or where the recruiting is considered the primary activity and the product is secondary). Whereas MLM schemes focus on actually selling a product (where you have to buy the product and then you get to sell it) but also has a component where you try and recruit people under you to sell your product. I believe Pyramid schemes are almost always considered to be illegitimate while MLMs are often illegitimate they can also be legitimate (they just almost never pay out very well in accordance to the number of hours put in). See also https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/news-events/consumer-tips/2015/03/opportunity-or-scam-multi-level-marketing-vs.-pyramid-schemes/
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Enfys posted:What's the difference between a pyramid scheme and MLM? I tired to google this, but all the top links are things about how MLMs are cool businesses where you can work from home and have a great income, but you have to watch out for those evil pyramid schemes which are bad and illegal, please read more if you want to work from home to make $$$ but not fall for one of those pyramid scams My understanding is that MLM skirts the laws against pyramid schemes by selling an actual product to the public. MLM is a pyramid scheme in the sense that it's a pyramid where only those on top get any benefits and the people on the bottom are exploited (something like 90% make under $2 an hour). Classic pyramid schemes have no product and rely on new recruits just giving them money in return for nothing but the promise of future returns and then are paid directly from the contributions of recruits even lower in the scheme, until it collapses. I guess with MLMs it would be possible, in theory, to have a non-exploitative company, which is why they're not illegal. In practice it would never make sense to make a non-exploitative MLM company because there's no advantage over a normal company.
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Enfys posted:What's the difference between a pyramid scheme and MLM? I tired to google this, but all the top links are things about how MLMs are cool businesses where you can work from home and have a great income, but you have to watch out for those evil pyramid schemes which are bad and illegal, please read more if you want to work from home to make $$$ but not fall for one of those pyramid scams MLMs claim that you, as an "employee", can get discounted access to their "products" - but also, you can convince people to buy these products from you instead of directly from the company, and if those people can convince somebody to buy from them then you get a cut of their profits, and if those... hence multi-level marketing. Completely ignoring that anyone could just buy directly and avoid that huge markup, and the whole premise of their pitch is based on exponential growth that means five or six tiers of people means literally every single person on the planet is buying their lovely product from you, directly or indirectly. I put product in scare quotes above because while MLMs may have items for sale, what they're actually selling and what people are wasting thousands of dollars on is a dream, one of wealth and leisure and happiness, which is blatantly obvious when you see their conventions supposedly about selling strategy but really 99% about how great your life is totally going to be and how smart you are for doing this.
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The goons did a thread about MLM ages ago, if you have archives: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3258090&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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DarkHorse posted:MLM uses a product or series of products as a fig leaf to cover the pyramid scheme, allowing them to skirt the definition of the law. I don't think they're allowed to call you an employee, though, which is why everyone is a *brand ambassador* or *seller* or *entrepreneur*
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can the mod of this web sight please change the thread title to acknwoledge the greatest book in the history of books!?
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Amway ruined my lifequote:I thought I was living my dream life. My husband and I got married six years ago. Right away we bought a house using a small inheritance I'd received as a down payment. Cute little house with three bedrooms. I loved it and thought I'd be happy here forever. Our son was born four years ago. My husband worked for a courier and I've been working the same cashier job since going back to work after maternity leave. Maybe not the greatest jobs in the world but we were happy and meeting our bills. We had some savings. My husband was happy and funny and a great dad. One of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. Switchback fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Sep 25, 2016 |
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pig slut lisa posted:can the mod of this web sight please change the thread title to acknwoledge the greatest book in the history of books!? thank you 
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defectivemonkey posted:I don't think they're allowed to call you an employee, though, which is why everyone is a *brand ambassador* or *seller* or *entrepreneur* Employees get things like benefits and job protection and, you know, a paycheck. Willing slaves just get to call themselves a bullshit non-controlled term and sacrifice hours of their life for a pittance of profit, because most people don't factor in the cost of their time when working 
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I need to start a MLM
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JohnGalt posted:I need to start a MLM Excellent post and user name combination
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JohnGalt posted:I need to start a MLM How about we team up and find a way to MLM mystery boxes? Hell, we could all chip in and make it BWM thread goon project! Just hit the trifecta!
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Sounds like someone couldn't wait until they were Diamond.
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Tommy used to work on the docks, union's been on strike He's down on his luck, it's tough, so tough Gina works the diner all day, working for her man She brings home her pay, ,for love, for love She says, we've got to hold on to what we've got It doesn't make a difference if we make it or not We've got each other and that's a lot for love We'll give it a shot Woah, we're half way shunned Woah, Just Wait 'til We're Diamond Take my hand, we'll make it I swear Woah, Why am I a beggar?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, Mormon's being obsessed with MLM: GWM or BWM? You have a huge network of people who are obligated to support you, but it is still an MLM...
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Solice Kirsk posted:How about we team up and find a way to MLM mystery boxes? Hell, we could all chip in and make it BWM thread goon project! Just hit the trifecta! Horse boxes?
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Here's a great report put out by the Direct Selling Association (a trade group for MLMs) that they pulled from their site, presumably because it was so unflattering when you actually read it: http://web.archive.org/web/20150511224246/https://www.dsa.org/research/industry-statistics If you take the number of salespeople they mention in the report and divide by the revenue for the industry, you get a number of something like $1944 in gross sales per MLM salesperson, with only a fraction of that going into their pockets. My wife worked very briefly in the corporate headquarters of a retail electricity MLM (one of those deals where you have to pick your own electricity provider in a "deregulated" market) and it's hilarious how awful the business is: the average "consultant" for them opens a grand total of one account. On top of that, the profitability of their consumer business relies on hoping people are too lazy or inattentive to renew their contracts at the end of their fixed term plans. They make essentially no margin on fixed rate customers and rely on rolling them over to a floating rate month-to-month plan when their contract expires. The profit they get from one month on a floating-rate rollover plan is greater than what they get from an entire one-year contract (though this is actually pretty typical for retail energy companies).
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also, Mormon's being obsessed with MLM: GWM or BWM? You have a huge network of people who are obligated to support you, but it is still an MLM... No matter how many people are participating, it's mathematically impossible for everyone participating to have several people signed up underneath them - the majority of people are going to end up on the bottom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_92zhGt05gU And the whole reason MLMs keep getting compared to pyramid schemes is that it's very rarely possible to make anything close to a living wage by personally going around and selling things (plus if you're that talented a salesperson, you could probably make way more money selling cars or real estate). Cicero posted:Also you're not obligated to support MLMs just because you're mormon. No, there's nothing in Mormon canon directly obligating you to get into MLMs. Though according to an Ask/Tell thread by an ex-Mormon (which I can't seem to find now), their interpretation of the principle of "respect your elders" strongly discourages critical thinking. Cockmaster fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Sep 25, 2016 |
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Here's one (of many) articles about how MLM are big in Mormon communities and Utah became the MLM capitol of the U.S. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/mormon-utah-valley-multilevel-marketing-thrive-doterra
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Speaking of MLMs - just hired a guy who used to some IT work for this: https://www.pureromance.com/ Apparently his wife was in pretty early. Having a hard time not making fun of it during work hours. We googled it right before his interview, clicked the shop button, and then quietly closed our browsers.
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Tigntink posted:Speaking of MLMs - just hired a guy who used to some IT work for this: That reminds me that my boss was trying a little too hard to get our team assigned the project to make Adam & Eve .com's mobile site  (We wound up not even getting them as a client, oh well) e: Also that pure romance site is even more overpriced than I expected. Let me tell you how much you should be paying for a 6" rubber dong, it is definitely not $30+. Very BWDongs. Shame Boy fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Sep 26, 2016 |
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This physically hurts.
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A Bag of Milk posted:This physically hurts. Yeah, now she'll never be diamond
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pig slut lisa posted:Yeah, now she'll never be diamond
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It came from reddit: someone spent 8k on clash of clans and now can't afford their car payments. https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/54gbfp/tifu_by_spending_so_much_money_on_phone_games_im/ posted:
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legendof posted:It came from reddit: someone spent 8k on clash of clans and now can't afford their car payments. You can't get a diamond e-penis without spending a little. Gotta catch 'em all y'all.
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adamarama posted:You gotta feel the pressure first. You gotta be crushed in the molten fires of the earth before you become diamond. She's buckminsterfullerene at best. "Just wait till we're a carbon atom soccer ball" sounds more like a Cold War book, I guess.
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I feel like this fits the thread title very well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-55nwoXHG-w
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Sorry for the derail. Earlier in this thread, several people recommended a really good foam mattress that could be ordered from Amazon or something. What was it?
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Nitrox posted:Sorry for the derail. Earlier in this thread, several people recommended a really good foam mattress that could be ordered from Amazon or something. What was it? Tuft & Needle?
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Nitrox posted:Sorry for the derail. Earlier in this thread, several people recommended a really good foam mattress that could be ordered from Amazon or something. What was it? Tuft and Needle and Casper are two very good mattresses you can order from amazon. Perfect Cloud and Dream Sleep are also good, but are budget brands. Tuft and Casper will run you $600 to $800 for a Queen. Perfect Cloud and Dream Sleep are in the $300 to $500 range for a Queen.
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