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Kanthulhu posted:What I really want to see is a big rear end play off between 3 or 4 people. looks a distinct possibility in Juryo. Nobody doing better than the three on 9-3 and six guys on 8-4
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Officer Sandvich posted:corpse on the left at 3:03 holy poo poo 
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Officer Sandvich posted:corpse on the left at 3:03
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Fryhtaning posted:holy poo poo Yeah toupee guy on the right there has been bringing a different good looking girl everyday so I went to check it out for today and instead there is a girl next to a dead guy
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Harumafuji vs Goeido: Holy poo poo that stare down!!! Goeido is bulletproof this basho. Tomorrow will decide it.
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haha guy near the front on the right "je suis allé au college" I went to middle school
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That staredown was awesome, as was Goeido's win. This is his basho.
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His last two matches are Tamawashi tomorrow then presumably Kotoshogiku on the last day? Seems like anything other than 15-0 would be a failure
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Two Japanese yusho in the span of one year! Poor Kisenosato now has to think "it shoulda been me" for a second time.Tsaedje posted:His last two matches are Tamawashi tomorrow then presumably Kotoshogiku on the last day? Seems like anything other than 15-0 would be a failure Meanwhile Endo gets his first sanyaku matchup (Takayasu) and who knows after that. If will be a crime if he catches Goeido.
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takayasu now has 30 wins in his last 3 basho - any chance he gets promoted to ozeki?
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a false posted:takayasu now has 30 wins in his last 3 basho - any chance he gets promoted to ozeki? I'm not sure, since one of those 3 basho was at M5. He may need to repeat it again at sekiwake. Kotoshogiku won 30 in a row including a 9-6 line at M3 and didn't get it, nor did he get it after winning 32 at sekiwake - needed one more basho to get 33 which seems to be the gold standard. Terunofuji won 33 with the first basho at M2, and the best Takayasu can do is 32 in a similar fashion. I don't think he'll get promoted. But if he finishes 13-2 then all he needs is 10 victories next basho to be a virtual lock.
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Fryhtaning posted:I'm not sure, since one of those 3 basho was at M5. He may need to repeat it again at sekiwake. Kotoshogiku won 30 in a row including a 9-6 line at M3 and didn't get it, nor did he get it after winning 32 at sekiwake - needed one more basho to get 33 which seems to be the gold standard. Terunofuji also had a Jun-yusho, a yusho and 4 special prizes in his run
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Fryhtaning posted:I'm not sure, since one of those 3 basho was at M5. He may need to repeat it again at sekiwake. Kotoshogiku won 30 in a row including a 9-6 line at M3 and didn't get it, nor did he get it after winning 32 at sekiwake - needed one more basho to get 33 which seems to be the gold standard.
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Assuming Kisenosato never wins one, which matters more in the Japanese mindset - his consistency, or Giku's yusho?
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All of my Japanese friends who pay attention to sumo only comment on Kisenosato's mental weakness in the clutch, not all of his jun-yusho so I'm gonna have to say the Giku yusho.
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Apraxin posted:Yeah, the 'minimum' is 33 wins out of 45 while being komosubi/sekiwake. It's not set in stone, and they'd probably make exceptions for things like '40 wins starting from M3' or '32 wins but he beat all the yokozuna each basho/is young, popular, telegenic, and Japanese', but from M5 Takayasu's gonna be out of luck. The M5 basho probably won't count since he didn't have to beat any of the big boys for it. I think a basho at M1 or M2 might be an acceptable start since you go through the entire sanyaku lineup to earn the wins.
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Congrats to Goeido - well deserved. The Harumafuji match was the only one I think where he was on the defensive, which says a lot about how dominant he was this basho. Now to root for Takayasu to make Ozeki and win one, just to depress Kisenosato even more. 
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I'm really pleased to see Goeido finally showing the talent that got him the promotion in the first place again. Kisenosato is a hilarious failure
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Awwww, Goeido's mom 
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Last day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgGerGr104c That was a real good basho.
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No idea if anyone else will find this anything like as funny as I did, but one of the SumoForum people found the true reason for Goeido's sudden improvement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCy6wlsfuXQ
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Does sumo talk have something against Goeido? I know they're big into yaocho accusations.
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Dr.Radical posted:Does sumo talk have something against Goeido? I know they're big into yaocho accusations.
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Apraxin posted:Generally, they believe that neither he nor Kotoshigiku are 'real' ozeki (and Kisenosato barely qualifies), and that Goeido in particular is at best a mid-level maegashira who was artificially promoted and keeps his rank solely through match fixing. Because Reasons (these vary depending on the narrative, but are usually 'favoritism' or 'nationalism'.) I'm very new to sumo, having followed only the last 3 tournaments. I kinda bought into this "oh a couple of these guys were overpromoted" talk that a lot of angry sumo fans engage in, but I recently realized that the system was beautifully designed and is self-correcting, so I don't hate on any wrestler anymore. I actually have sympathy for wrestlers who hold a rank that maybe they can't live up to. Maybe relegation doesn't happen as quickly as some would like, but after doing a lot of reading, some research, and looking back on the history of modern-era ozeki and yokozuna ranked wrestlers, I can see that if a mediocre wrestler is given a rank he doesn't deserve, then it doesn't last very long and probably won't end well for him. So, I don't sweat it anymore, if you don't think someone deserves to be ozeki, don't worry, you'll soon either be proven wrong or he'll soon be humiliated and demoted. "Injuries" can only carry you for a while, eventually they have to defend their rank. Just watch and see what happens. The way the system is set up, it doesn't seem possible to have "too many" yokozuna or ozeki for a long period of time. Sure, mathematically you might get to a point where you have 5 or hell, maybe even 6 ozeki, but if that ever happens, then the way the matchmaking system works, someone will get forced out quickly. Even 4 is a lot, 4 ozeki have to struggle mightily to all retain their rank. If there is ever an undeserving yokozuna, then the cultural pressure to retire appears to be so extreme that they always succumb to the pressure and bow out while their honor is somewhat intact. I assume if we ever had a jackass yokozuna who turned in losing records in every tournament and didn't care about criticism or calls for retirement, then he'd be forced out with the sumo association announcing that they "accepted his resignation".
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Apraxin posted:No idea if anyone else will find this anything like as funny as I did, but one of the SumoForum people found the true reason for Goeido's sudden improvement: Holy poo poo I'm dead. And the original video is even funnier.
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Yes but an American wrote a book once and proved yaocho exists therefore sumo is basically pro-wrestling. That's what people I know in America think, at least.
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May 2011 basho got canceled because yaocho allegations were found to be true and the same tight group of people that was in charge back then is still in charge today. Losing faith in the integrity of the sport isn't so hard.
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Kikkoman posted:May 2011 basho got canceled because yaocho allegations were found to be true and the same tight group of people that was in charge back then is still in charge today. Losing faith in the integrity of the sport isn't so hard. Northjayhawk posted:I assume if we ever had a jackass yokozuna who turned in losing records in every tournament and didn't care about criticism or calls for retirement, then he'd be forced out with the sumo association announcing that they "accepted his resignation". quote:The decision to promote Futahaguro backfired and he proved to be a great embarrassment to the sumo establishment. His debut as a yokozuna in the September 1986 tournament saw him pull out on the seventh day with only three wins, and after two runner-up scores in November 1986 and January 1987 a series of mediocre performances followed. His best result as a yokozuna came in November 1987 when he was runner-up for the seventh time, with a 13-2 record. However, controversy was never far away from him. Several tsukebito (junior members) of his stable refused to serve under him following an incident on the 1987 winter tour in which he physically punished one of them[3] and as a result of this, in December 1987 he had a heated argument with his stable boss, Tatsunami, and stormed out, allegedly striking Tatsunami's wife on the way.[2] The elders of the Sumo Association responded, without giving Futahaguro a hearing, by voting to accept his "resignation". Futahaguro became the first yokozuna ever to be expelled from sumo this way.[2] He had lasted just eight tournaments at yokozuna rank and had proved unable to win a championship. Apraxin fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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Dr.Radical posted:Does sumo talk have something against Goeido? I know they're big into yaocho accusations.
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Some people just have an a need to not enjoy things (despite obsessively following it) and like coming up for reasons to hate it. Which is fine, but can turn into a circle jerk of hate like in this case. It's absurd.
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On of the things I enjoy most about sumo is the historical aspect. For example, the audience is always a survey of fashion trends across a 90-year period.
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Apraxin posted:An organized ring of two dozen mid-ranking guys regularly fixing matches like 'day 4 bout between M10 and M13' in exchange for cash payment was... unexpected. Why? Isn't that a sort of a typical pattern in match fixing in any sport?
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Ras Het posted:Why? Isn't that a sort of a typical pattern in match fixing in any sport? There are illegal betting rings, mostly yakuza-run, but they're usually pretty small, and it wasn't really feasible that enough people would be betting so lopsidedly on mid-level sumo matches that anyone could rig the results and pay off the wrestlers so frequently and still turn a profit. They never actually found any evidence that anyone was betting on them.
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Halloween Jack posted:On of the things I enjoy most about sumo is the historical aspect. For example, the audience is always a survey of fashion trends across a 90-year period. My favorite costume is the ultra patriotic old man costume with All Japan everything followed closely by salary man minus the tie, casual Friday look.
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Halloween Jack posted:I've never even visited SumoTalk, but I know that nothing pleases geeks as much as thinking they're "in the know." I assume that explains 100% of yaocho obsession in sumo fandom. Most of the yaocho accusations I see are tongue-in-cheek jabs at sumotalk because they are sooo over the top about it these days. Those guys have recently been going on about yaocho in practice which is just on another level of what.
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