nooneofconsequence posted:

Are our airports really that bad?

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

Nobody gives a gently caress about online polls from dying media outlets, so, no

Steve2911 posted:

Watched some of this and got an actual, real headache whenever he opened his mouth. It's like nails on a chalkboard.

OneEightHundred posted:

Nobody should ever give a gently caress about online polls because the sampling bias makes them worthless.

Young Freud posted:

The Tu-95 is a prop plane based of the Russian's infamous copy of the B-29, where they even replicated the bullet holes in the deck because they never saw one until one crash-landed near the end of WW2. It's also smaller, it's ordnance load is less than half that of the B-52.

For an even more lopsided comparison, there are more B-2 stealth bombers, the last heavy strategic bomber in American active service (about 20), than there are of the last Russian strategic bomber, Tu-160 Blackjack, with 16 total airframes in Russian service but fewer that are still airworthy. And the Blackjack is simply a Soviet-era copy of the American B-1 bomber, which 62 are in active duty service.

tl;dr Russia's bombers are a generation behind and less quantity than comparable American strategic aircraft.

Concordat posted:

Not only that, but the US is going soon be building another strategic bomber, the B-21 (which they really should have named the B-3). It looks like they're taking all of the lessons learned from existing stealth aircraft and building a cheaper B-2.

The Blackjack's not really a copy of the B-1, and it is significantly larger. I mean sure they look similar, but this is more of an example of convergent design that copying.

Also Russia's attempts at making a F-22 competitor have thus far been a bit of a shitshow. The PAK-FA was being jointly developed with India, but it is looking like India's getting cold feet.

Concordat posted:

You're thinking of the F-35. That thing's set records for being a giant waste of money.

Concordat posted:

You're thinking of the F-35. That thing's set records for being a giant waste of money.

OddObserver posted:

Pretty sure F-22 was considered that before F-35 set a new standard in financial awfulness.

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

They're both massive wastes of money, as it turns out.

The f-35 prolly more so at this point because we're loving stuck with it, while the Air Force was more or less able to slowly kill off the F-22 program because, well, they don't really need or want it.

Concordat posted:

Correct. Turns out it's a steal compared to the F-35.



Just now I looked it up, and the F-35 program is more expensive than the Interstate Highway System, the Apollo program, the Space Shuttle program, and the International Space Station combined.

ComradeCosmobot posted:

The right wing is furious about Lester Holt. If you thought they got angry about Cindy Crowley, I think they're going to be howling for blood this time.

SeANMcBAY posted:

I'd do anything to see a Biden/Trump debate.

Sexual Aluminum posted:

Am I premature in hoping for tears? I need some tears after watching that.

dud root posted:

What was Hillarys response to the stamina thing? missed it

dud root posted:

What was Hillarys response to the stamina thing? missed it

dud root posted:

What was Hillarys response to the stamina thing? missed it

computer parts posted:

Chilichimp posted:

Their dipshit candidate is proven to be a dipshit. He's better than Hillary, and they themselves aren't stupid... so just world theory dictates that the moderator is a hack.

FilthyImp posted:

That Trump didnt claw a BENGHAZI out of it was an amazing fumble.

FilthyImp posted:

That was a hearing (what, like the 6th Benjamin Ghazi hearing right?) Where she not only weathered a grueling runtime, but clowned the guy behind it (Gowdi) so hard he was an internet joke for a week or so after.

It was a damned good answer that was supported by her international diplomacy and travel schedule as SecState.

That Trump didnt claw a BENGHAZI out of it was an amazing fumble.

Fenrir posted:

That debate was a fun loving watch. Hillary shut down Trump like a bank on sunday and it was hilarious. I hope the next one is even better.

Fenrir posted:

That debate was a fun loving watch. Hillary shut down Trump like a bank on sunday and it was hilarious. I hope the next one is even better.

Concordat posted:

Not only that, but the US is going soon be building another strategic bomber, the B-21 (which they really should have named the B-3). It looks like they're taking all of the lessons learned from existing stealth aircraft and building a cheaper B-2.

The Blackjack's not really a copy of the B-1, and it is significantly larger. I mean sure they look similar, but this is more of an example of convergent design than it is a copy.

Also Russia's attempts at making a F-22 competitor have thus far been a bit of a shitshow. The PAK-FA was being jointly developed with India, but it is looking like India's getting cold feet.

OneEightHundred posted:

There's a plan in place to demolish it and redo it within the next 5 years, and then everyone will complain about Newark or DFW instead.

Fenrir posted:

Hillary shut down Trump like a bank on sunday

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

Nobody gives a gently caress about online polls from dying media outlets, so, no

The BBC posted:

Who won? Depends who you ask...
Posted at 2:18

A CNN/ORC poll has found that 62% of voters who watched the head-to-head thought Clinton came out on top, with just 27% giving the bout to Trump.

This is based on interviews with 521 registered voters chosen as part of a random national sample. But only 26% identified themselves as Republicans while 41% identified themselves as Democrats.

An informal CNBC poll on its website has found 61% of people thought Trump won, while 39% went for Clinton. Trump has tweeted the results, but as CNBC points out, the poll is "not scientific". Anyone, including outside the US, appears to be able to vote.

A post-debate survey by Public Policy Polling of 1,002 debate-watchers found that 51% of national voters thought Clinton won, with 40% choosing Trump and 9% undecided.

thrakkorzog posted:

If Lester Holt truly wanted wanted to keep it civil, they could have set up a situation where after each candidate got their 2 minutes the mic was muted.

a cyberpunk goose posted:

Like a bank on Sunday...

FAUXTON posted:

Not many bank branches are closed on Sundays anymore but the ones that are open are typically running at lower staffing and shorter hours.

a cyberpunk goose posted:

Like a bank on Sunday...

FAUXTON posted:

Not many bank branches are closed on Sundays anymore but the ones that are open are typically running at lower staffing and shorter hours.

Mike Patton posted:

I'll shut you down like a bank on a sunday...

thrakkorzog posted:

OK, let us us all just admit this was an abomination of a debate. So the initial rules were that each side got two minute to speak without interruption, and within the first two minutes it basically dissolved into crossfire. The Oscars have more stringent rules about bloviating.

If Lester Holt truly wanted wanted to keep it civil, they could have set up a situation where after each candidate got their 2 minutes the mic was muted.

Merve Griffin would have done a better a job of creating a game show about who should be America's next top Executive.

speng31b posted:

The whole media narrative on the "purpose" of debates was framed in advance to be more about allowing candidates to "present themselves" than actual rule enforcement, fact checking, discussion of topics, etc. The media's lowered their own bar for moderation to avoid getting called out for bias by whoever, because it hurts them when the Republicans cry foul on moderation. It's easier to just let debates be what everyone wants them to be rather than try to enforce standards.

Eiba posted:

Well...


In other words, a lovely internet poll turned this blurb from "Clinton clear debate winner" to "Who won? Depends who you ask..."

Turns out asking the internet at large gets you a really stupid answer!

DOMDOM posted:

gently caress the goon hivemind. This is the same groupthink that beat me into submission over dungeons and dragons 4.0 being good when in fact it was a pile of dogshit that has since been completely walked back.

What a time to be alive.