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Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

Cynic Jester posted:

Sommerfugl is the Norwegian word for butterfly. If you translate the two words separately it translates to summer bird though. It's not in Icelandic but Norwegian. If it was icelandic, it'd be something like sumarfugl or sumarlegurfugl or something. Icelandic is strange.

Fluggaenkoecchicebolsen.

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AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Cynic Jester posted:

Sommerfugl is the Norwegian word for butterfly. If you translate the two words separately it translates to summer bird though. It's not in Icelandic but Norwegian. If it was icelandic, it'd be something like sumarfugl or sumarlegurfugl or something. Icelandic is strange.
They eat rotten shark and consider it a delicacy, so I am not surprised that their language is "strange".

PrinceRandom
Feb 26, 2013

Edit: gently caress it's not here

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
So im playing ck2

I started as Wessex in 769. It is now 1002 and I am England + Wales. All is well.

Question 1:

Black Death. How survive? One char dead to it, another infected. Apocalyptic.

Question 2:

How do I gently caress over my council to get power back without them voting me out.

Question 3:

How can I fix the Continental countries' borders. They gently caress ugly

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
1. Close the gates before it arrives, hope to outlast it. Have a built-up hospital and hope it dodges you. Have a good court physician. Pray.

2. Get people who like you on the council. Yes, your powerful vassals get mad if they're not on the council - but it's better to have one rear end in a top hat duke at -60 fuming about their lack of power than it is to have them at -20 and loving up all your votes. Stockpile cash in case there's a messy faction, kick out the troublemakers and replace them with sycophants, and then go ham.

3. Invade and fix them yourself.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Phlegmish posted:

He's Icelandic so I'll trust his judgment this time.
Nah, he's right, I'm just translating the individual words by themselves, shoulda remembered their wacky mainlander ways
Icelandic word for it is Fiğrildi, Fiğrildaland would be cray too, but Iceland surprisingly doesn't lend itself to much other than living smugly and well

Bort Bortles posted:

They eat rotten shark and consider it a delicacy, so I am not surprised that their language is "strange".
And by strange, they mean the closest thing we have to old Norse and therefore pure and unspoilt vikingese :iceland:
(What? Linguistic purges during the romantic period? I'm sorry, I don't understand any of those words)

Phi230 posted:

So im playing ck2

I started as Wessex in 769. It is now 1002 and I am England + Wales. All is well.

Question 1:

Black Death. How survive? One char dead to it, another infected. Apocalyptic.

Question 2:

How do I gently caress over my council to get power back without them voting me out.

Question 3:

How can I fix the Continental countries' borders. They gently caress ugly
1. Close the gates, pray to god, have a good physician
You can also hide on a boat but that way you get scurvy

2.
Imprison all of them and keep them in there forever until they die, then imprison your other vassals, then fill your council with lickspittles and rubes, buy favours from them and force them to vote your way

3.
This has already been answered

Roylicious
Feb 21, 2012

Braver than the cops
ain't afraid of no chaps
If they steppin up on me
I just start bustin some caps
Trying to figure out HoI4... Is it just me being unlucky or are large armies (like 120ish divisions) reaaally wonky with the battle plans? I do 2-3 of the 24 division armies with generals and it works out okay but when the field marshal is handling a large group half of the army ends up running around doing nothing. Worse than nothing actually because half of the troops seem to go up and down the front while their friends get massacred. Just tried to invade Poland as the USSR, watched several battles of 2-3 divisions fighting while 8-10 milled around behind them all up and down the border.

Should I just divide it up into smaller armies and not try that again?

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Roylicious posted:

Trying to figure out HoI4... Is it just me being unlucky or are large armies (like 120ish divisions) reaaally wonky with the battle plans? I do 2-3 of the 24 division armies with generals and it works out okay but when the field marshal is handling a large group half of the army ends up running around doing nothing. Worse than nothing actually because half of the troops seem to go up and down the front while their friends get massacred. Just tried to invade Poland as the USSR, watched several battles of 2-3 divisions fighting while 8-10 milled around behind them all up and down the border.

Should I just divide it up into smaller armies and not try that again?

I get by just fine with everyone in a single army under a field marshal. Like 300 divisions plus, as long as the front is sane.

Have you got your generals set on Blitz mode? Do that.

Roylicious
Feb 21, 2012

Braver than the cops
ain't afraid of no chaps
If they steppin up on me
I just start bustin some caps

Gort posted:

Have you got your generals set on Blitz mode? Do that.

Oh well no I don't because I'm dumb :downs:

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Even on blitz mode I find that they're not as aggressive as I'd like. Basically if there is an empty province on the enemy front line, I want my units advancing into it. Instead they wait for organisation (I assume) before advancing.

Apoffys
Sep 5, 2011
My generals have actually been fairly good about that since the last patch. I usually have them set to balanced rather than aggressive, and they still advance pretty well. The only time it seems they won't advance into empty provinces when told to (with a battle plan) is when doing so would widen the front too much and leave a gap.

They're still pretty terrible at initial distribution of troops along a front and still shuffle troops around too much though.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


I mostly wish they'd take y it type into consideration when placing troops. hmm yes ai put all my mountaineers down in the fields instead of up in those mountains

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Gort posted:

Even on blitz mode I find that they're not as aggressive as I'd like. Basically if there is an empty province on the enemy front line, I want my units advancing into it. Instead they wait for organisation (I assume) before advancing.

There is a minimum organization requirement to be allowed to attack (10-20%? I forget the exact number. You can't even manually order an attack below that threshold), even if the "attack" is on unoccupied territory, so they might just be waiting for that.

Agean90 posted:

I mostly wish they'd take y it type into consideration when placing troops. hmm yes ai put all my mountaineers down in the fields instead of up in those mountains

The best thing to do about that is to split your special forces into their own army, and just assign them a front line that only covers their specialist area. This also lets you assign a general to them that has skills that boost them directly, or at the very least allows you to get a general to learn those skills quickly.

It is annoying when you're dealing with terrain that varies wildly over the whole front, but at that point you might as well just make everyone mountaineers and be done with it.

The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Sep 26, 2016

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

quote:

Companies like Paradox make me appreciate those like CD Projekt Red even more where they say "we will release it when it is ready and not a moment too soon".

In the end you may end up with a bad game, but at least the consumer wouldn't feel cheated by what's clearly an unfinished product.
People paid good money for this and %90 of us have mostly only gotten frustration and wasted many hours typing the flaws we are unhappy with in the forums.

I haven't played HoI4 for the last 3 months and I barely could stand playing for the first month I got it.
All of its flaws aside, the game is just boring and unchallenging when compared to HoI2, AoD, DH, HoI3 BICE etc. which is its biggest sin.

I've been playing HoI series regularly for more than 10 years and (I know this is an unpopular opinion) for me this game is simply the worst one yet. Though ironically I believe the best selling.

I just can't accept the argument that the community should save this game. It's the company's responsibility to provide us with a finished product, even a bad one, for us to mobilise and try to save it. But PDS didn't release this as an early access game, they released as a full game at a full price. The only reason why the community is trying to make something palpable out of this game is because of their loyalty to the legacy of the previous games.

I've just lost all confidence in PDS's ability to release a finished game for the price they're asking for.

Fool me once (HoI3) shame on you, fool me twice (HoI4) shame on me. It won't happen a third time I promise you.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
I never got into the witcher 2 because the tutorial bugged out both times I tried it :shrug:

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Darkrenown posted:

I never got into the witcher 2 because the tutorial bugged out both times I tried it :shrug:

It probably detected that you worked for an inferior, humanity-destroying company and decided to revoke your privilege to play a truly complete game.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I'm going to guess that the community project to 'fix' HOI4 he's talking about is BlackIce?

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

I'm going to guess that the community project to 'fix' HOI4 he's talking about is BlackIce?

Probably. Just one of many great posts from a general complaining thread.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

The Cheshire Cat posted:

There is a minimum organization requirement to be allowed to attack (10-20%? I forget the exact number. You can't even manually order an attack below that threshold), even if the "attack" is on unoccupied territory, so they might just be waiting for that.
In really bad terrain with overstacked provinces you may not be able to regain any organization at all which can stall the advance indefinitely.

I've seen this happen in Africa and parts of SE Asia.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Darkrenown posted:

I never got into the witcher 2 because the tutorial bugged out both times I tried it :shrug:

Well, if we are being fair in comparisons Witcher 2 came at around the same period as Victoria 2, which had - and has - its own set of problems. Both Paradox and CDPR learned a lot since then, and have developed bigger warchests to be capable of delaying releases until they are ready.

A contemporary comparison would be between the releases of the Witcher 3 and Stellaris and Hearts of Iron IV.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
I think it's silly comparison anyway, being different genres of games and them having vastly more resources, but CD Projekt Red =! Witcher 3 and one really good game doesn't make a perfect studio. Mostly I just wanted to make a dumb retort to a dumb quote though.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
Victoria 2 is better than The Witcher 2

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I haven't been to this thread in forever. What's next on Paradox's sights now that Stellaris and HOI4 are out? Victoria 3? Rome 2?

corn in the bible posted:

Victoria 2 is better than The Witcher 2

Not emptyquoting.

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off
they're making Sengoku 2 next, actually

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
It sounded like there were 2 games going into preproduction to fill the major team voids left by Stellaris and HOI4 and Wiz was going to direct one. But then Wiz took over Stellaris and Doomdark went back to CK2. Doomdark might also be directing one of those new ones? I don't know, I've been busy actually playing the games instead of following gossip for once.

Wiz being the original proposed director makes me want to hope its Victoria or Rome.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

zedprime posted:

It sounded like there were 2 games going into preproduction to fill the major team voids left by Stellaris and HOI4 and Wiz was going to direct one. But then Wiz took over Stellaris and Doomdark went back to CK2. Doomdark might also be directing one of those new ones? I don't know, I've been busy actually playing the games instead of following gossip for once.

Wiz being the original proposed director makes me want to hope its Victoria or Rome.
CK2 has been so successful and they have been able to add so many features to it over the years that they have to be considering CK3 so they can do new things, considering the frame CK2 is built on is 5+ years old now.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


corn in the bible posted:

Victoria 2 is better than The Witcher 2

Victoria 2 is barely functional, and I say that as someone who throughly enjoyed it.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

ZearothK posted:

Victoria 2 is barely functional, and I say that as someone who throughly enjoyed it.

I wouldn't say that. It's definitely functional.

You can play from the start to the end and develop your country and make it a great power. It's just the more esoteric parts of the game are fuelled by magic.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Sep 27, 2016

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

Darkrenown posted:

I never got into the witcher 2 because the tutorial bugged out both times I tried it :shrug:

Funny enough, the tutorial wasn't even in the game originally. They added it later down the line (in the EE maybe?) and it was always buggy and completely pointless, as the main game pretty much teaches you how to play as you go anyway. I think it was a reactionary attempt to fix the big complaint people had about how the Prologue of the game was the hardest part of the whole game, but then they fixed the balance of that so... :shrug:


Also Witcher 3 was crazy buggy and crashes on release and bricked a few video cards even (some screens wouldn't limit framerate at all and you'd hear your video card fan start going nuts while reading books or stuff like that), so it's kind of a bad comparison anyway. Didn't have a single problem with HOI4 on release other than the AI and lesser bugs.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes

zedprime posted:

It sounded like there were 2 games going into preproduction to fill the major team voids left by Stellaris and HOI4 and Wiz was going to direct one. But then Wiz took over Stellaris and Doomdark went back to CK2. Doomdark might also be directing one of those new ones? I don't know, I've been busy actually playing the games instead of following gossip for once.

Wiz being the original proposed director makes me want to hope its Victoria or Rome.

I was the de facto designer for Reaper's and am now the de jure one too, Doomdark remains the game director though. He's pretty hands off and is also working on a new thing. I don't think we've really mentioned it but we have a Game director/game designer/project lead setup going on for all of our games now with the first doing most of the high level design, the second mostly doing details/implementation/balance, and the third trying to keep the crazy ideas of the first two in check and everything on time/budget.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Rome 2 confirmed, its the biggest overlap between Doomdark and Wiz that isn't a theoretical CK3.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Darkrenown posted:

one really good game

Whoa whoa whoa hey. Two really good games, mister.

Just because Witcher 3 came along and carried the bar for "really good" over the hill and out of sight doesn't mean 2 isn't still a great game. :colbert:

Roylicious
Feb 21, 2012

Braver than the cops
ain't afraid of no chaps
If they steppin up on me
I just start bustin some caps
Ok this is going to seem really dumb but how exactly do I put armies on blitz mode? I don't see the battleplan action anywhere... I have the mobile warfare doctrine all unlocked too.

Apoffys posted:

They're still pretty terrible at initial distribution of troops along a front and still shuffle troops around too much though.

God yes this. I have to go fiddle a lot with defensive lines because I'll notice something silly like 7 divisions stacked in a province behind a major river while there's 3 other open ones nearby with 1 division each. At least it seems to put mountaineers on hills/mountains if possible but maybe I've just gotten lucky about that.

Roylicious fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 27, 2016

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Gwyrgyn Blood posted:

Also Witcher 3 was crazy buggy and crashes on release and bricked a few video cards even (some screens wouldn't limit framerate at all and you'd hear your video card fan start going nuts while reading books or stuff like that), so it's kind of a bad comparison anyway. Didn't have a single problem with HOI4 on release other than the AI and lesser bugs.

I played the day of release and had a pretty smooth experience, don't even have a very powerful computer, so calling it crazy buggy sounds a tad melodramatic.

HOI 4 had a pretty good release and I'd call it a fun wargame - making good (and fun) AI for a strategy game is a very difficult thing, so I wouldn't hold that against Paradox -, unlike Stellaris which ran out of singleplayer content after a few hours despite a very promising early game.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Roylicious posted:

Ok this is going to seem really dumb but how exactly do I put armies on blitz mode? I don't see the battleplan action anywhere... I have the mobile warfare doctrine all unlocked too.


God yes this. I have to go fiddle a lot with defensive lines because I'll notice something silly like 7 divisions stacked in a province behind a major river while there's 3 other open ones nearby with 1 division each. At least it seems to put mountaineers on hills/mountains if possible but maybe I've just gotten lucky about that.

There's three buttons with arrows to the right of where it shows your general and his traits and stuff when you have an army selected. The furthest right one is aggressive/blitz stance.

Roylicious
Feb 21, 2012

Braver than the cops
ain't afraid of no chaps
If they steppin up on me
I just start bustin some caps

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

There's three buttons with arrows to the right of where it shows your general and his traits and stuff when you have an army selected. The furthest right one is aggressive stance.

Holy crap thanks! I can't believe I haven't noticed that in like 8 games played so far.

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

I dunno, I had to shelve Witcher 3 for a couple of weeks right after release because I got:
1) Random lockups any time I'd read books/notes/etc
2) Random crashes and freezes pretty much at any time
3) Consistent crashes in certain specific quests (All Fathers Eve always crashed in the same place every time)
4) Tons of weird physics issues though those were mostly funny rather than a problem (ala Skyrim)
5) Previously mentioned video card issue though mine was smart enough to not brick itself.

There was also some fun stuff how it wouldn't work right at all if your nVidia drivers were too old but the latest drivers also had extra bugs in them.

It wasn't like it was just me either, there was quite a lot going around right at launch about how buggy it was.


The PS4 version was also basically unplayable on launch as I recall but that's another story.


Regardless I basically had 0 technical problems with HOI4 on release and it feels like a pretty complete game as-is (though more is always welcome). Stellaris is a different story of course but I still had 0 technical problems with that one.

Gwyrgyn Blood fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Sep 27, 2016

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
I find Witcher and Paradox games to both be really good on the whole and wish their employees wouldn't fight. You can both be good, it's OK.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Fight! Fight! A witcher and a knight!

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Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

Gort posted:

I find Witcher and Paradox games to both be really good on the whole and wish their employees wouldn't fight. You can both be good, it's OK.

I agree, I was just saying I thought that post Slime Bro Helpdesk posted was extra funny because I had so many release issues with W3.

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