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Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

How many generations of born-in-Canada do you need to be to not be a 2nd class citizen? I'm not even talking old-stock, just old enough stock not to get deported.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 01:50

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Baronjutter posted:

How many generations of born-in-Canada do you need to be to not be a 2nd class citizen? I'm not even talking old-stock, just old enough stock not to get deported.

You can go back two generations and still get citizenship in Ireland. If you're part of the Jewish diaspora, you have a right to return, meaning that you're second-class by just being born even if you're like six generations of known Judaism in the family.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 01:55

Pixelante: Mar 16, 2006; You people will by God act like a team, or at least like people who know each other, or I'll incinerate the bunch of you here and now.

Baronjutter posted:

How many generations of born-in-Canada do you need to be to not be a 2nd class citizen? I'm not even talking old-stock, just old enough stock not to get deported.

Depends on your skin-tone, I think. My father was from Germany, and never lost his very heavy accent. He probably encountered some crap in the years after WW2. Being an immigrant's kid has never noticeably made a difference for me, outside of the culture inside/outside the house being a bit dissonant. Even if people notice the Germanic last name, they're laughing over how to pronounce it or guessing that it's Dutch.

Pixelante fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Sep 27, 2016

# ? Sep 27, 2016 02:00

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Baronjutter posted:

How many generations of born-in-Canada do you need to be to not be a 2nd class citizen? I'm not even talking old-stock, just old enough stock not to get deported.

Eligible for citizenship means eligible for deportation.

I wonder if they'd take my SWASM away too.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 02:52

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

I love how all jews are eligible for citizenship so it means all jews in canada are 2nd class citizens. That's really classy and good.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 02:55

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Ikantski posted:

It'd be fair to say that I'm jacked to the loving tits but I'm trying not to get too excited, I think she'll pull out last minute.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/780451000725495810

The trick is to get from #4) Depression to #5) Acceptance without going through #4a) Suicidal Depression :suicide:

Trying to imagine a Trump/Trudeau summit, but part of my brain kicks in a protective reflex and shuts down.

Doesn't help that Trump's sniffing reminds me of a friend with a nose candy habit.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 03:11

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Baronjutter posted:

I love how all jews are eligible for citizenship so it means all jews in canada are 2nd class citizens. That's really classy and good.

your avatar bothers the hell out of me. where is his moustache?!!

Anyway Trudeau sucks and so do the other parties but holy poo poo the American debate makes me glad we haven't fallen quite that far yet outside of some municipal elections.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 03:19

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Hexigrammus posted:

Doesn't help that Trump's sniffing reminds me of a friend with a nose candy habit.

Matt Taibbi agrees

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/780582345946591232

# ? Sep 27, 2016 03:23

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Lobok posted:

Is it a cut to health transfer payments or are they slowing the growth of the payments? There's a difference between "I was going to give you 10 but now I'm only giving you 9" and "I was going to raise your payments from 10 to 12 but now I'm only raising them to 11". When people hear "cuts" they think of the former.

The rate has been increasing by 6% per year since 2004. Starting next year it'll go down to 3% per year (or slightly more in the case of improbably high GDP growth). The Liberals promised to "renegotiate" this before coming into office but are now saying they'll maintain Harper's scheduled reduction in payments. They might end up sending some money for specific programs but they've clearly signalled they want to stick to Harper's schedule.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 03:28

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Helsing posted:

The rate has been increasing by 6% per year since 2004. Starting next year it'll go down to 3% per year (or slightly more in the case of improbably high GDP growth). The Liberals promised to "renegotiate" this before coming into office but are now saying they'll maintain Harper's scheduled reduction in payments. They might end up sending some money for specific programs but they've clearly signalled they want to stick to Harper's schedule.

So the only place where the Liberals deviated from the old regime is on refugees.

Real change.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 04:13

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Dreylad posted:

Matt Taibbi agrees

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/780582345946591232

Hmm. You know who else was into cocaine? :godwin:

Might explain a few things. Screw the tax returns, I want to see the urine analysis.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 04:30

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Furnaceface posted:

So the only place where the Liberals deviated from the old regime is on refugees.

Real change.

Sort of. They changed their 25k government sponsored in 2015 to 25k private/govt for 2015/16. Not that far off what the cons were taking.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 05:02

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Ikantski posted:

Sort of. They changed their 25k government sponsored in 2015 to 25k private/govt for 2015/16. Not that far off what the cons were taking.

Haha thank you for ruining the only thing I thought they did good.

This is exactly what you can expect from Patrick Brown, for the record. Same car, new driver. Ontario is hosed no matter what we vote in.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 05:09

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Furnaceface posted:

Haha thank you for ruining the only thing I thought they did good.

This is exactly what you can expect from Patrick Brown, for the record. Same car, new driver. Ontario is hosed no matter what we vote in.

That is a great analogy actually, the driver has a ton of control on where the car goes but he does have to be mindful of the vehicle's limitations. We're swerving all over the road so a driver change sounds like a good plan.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 05:15

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Ikantski posted:

That is a great analogy actually, the driver has a ton of control on where the car goes but he does have to be mindful of the vehicle's limitations. We're swerving all over the road so a driver change sounds like a good plan.

The new driver is drunk and blind, the old one is high and senile.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 05:33

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/leamington-multiculturalism-monarchy-1.3779812

quote:

Monarchy over multiculturalism, says Leamington mayor
'Don't force us to change our ways,' Ontario mayor says

As the royal tour makes its way through Canada, one southwest Ontario mayor is calling on Canada to scrap its current multicultural policies and focus on ties to the monarchy.

In a Facebook post Sunday, Leamington, Ont., Mayor John Paterson responded to a post criticizing the monarchy:

The original Facebook post appears to have been deleted by the poster Dharmesh Patel. But a viewer shared a screen capture with CBC News in Windsor.

When CBC reached Patel, he said he's not personally offended by Paterson's comments and the two remain friends. He said he believes the money spent on hosting Prince William and Kate could be better spent elsewhere.

Patel said his parents came to Canada in the 1970s and they are proud Canadians.

Paterson stood by his Facebook comments Monday, telling CBC he welcomes new Canadians from around the world. But he expects them to conform to Canadian culture.

"If you're going to come to Canada and swear allegiance to Canada, which includes an allegiance to the monarchy, then be Canadian, that's all I'm saying," Paterson said. "Don't force us to change our ways. Come to Canada and be Canadian."

Paterson said he's not criticizing immigrants, but federal programs promoting multiculturalism. To Paterson, those come at the expense of traditions like the British monarchy.

"It doesn't matter to me personally what your background is. But when you come to Canada, be Canadian. Don't challenge our history," Paterson said. "Our history is tied to the monarchy and Great Britain. If it hadn't been from our forefathers from that country from centuries ago, Canada wouldn't be the great country it is today."

Nearly one in three Leamington residents listed a language other than English or French as their first language, according to the latest figures from Statistics Canada.

In Leamington, some residents said they weren't happy with the mayor, who has made controversial statements in the past. In 2013 he called on police to crack down on "lewd" behaviour from Jamaican migrant workers.

One person said they thought the mayor was "crazy" for making those statements.

"I don't think the mayor should be making a comment like that considering Canada is pretty much based on multiculturalism," said Tanya Smith. "If it wasn't the way that it is, we wouldn't be as free. People come here because it's warm and inviting."

If you don't like OUR traditions and our reverence for a culture of inbred social class obsessed society then feel FREE to MOVE back to aghanistan!

GO CANADA GO SCOTLAND GO GREAT BRITAIN GO TICATS

# ? Sep 27, 2016 05:56

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

You cant mock the royals and the idea of monarchy without posting that hilarious family tree for Charles II of Spain.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 06:07

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Furnaceface posted:

You cant mock the royals and the idea of monarchy without posting that hilarious family tree for Charles II of Spain.

Poor guy really could have used some "false paternity" events in his family pole a la Richard III. Unfortunately in that family infidelities were probably limited to first cousins.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 07:02

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Furnaceface posted:

So the only place where the Liberals deviated from the old regime is on refugees.

Real change.

Well they also passed a "middle class tax cut" that didn't effect anyone making less than 40k, which trimmed federal income taxes by about $50 annually for someone making $50,000 (the median income in Canada is 27,6000). For someone making $200,000 by contrast the savings are $800. This brilliant piece of policy making was supposed to be revenue neutral because they slightly increased taxes on earners over 210,000 but as I recall once they'd actually implemented it they found out it will remove about a hundred million dollars annually from the budget.

Hopefully some of the spending on social housing and infrastructure gets put to good use. The Liberals aren't literally the same as Harper but I'd say they're a lot more similar than most people seem to want to acknowledge.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 07:10

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
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Baronjutter posted:

How many generations of born-in-Canada do you need to be to not be a 2nd class citizen? I'm not even talking old-stock, just old enough stock not to get deported.

If you were born in Canada before the implementation of a certain voting act (some time in the mid 40s, I think), then you are legally a British subject and eligible for British citizenship, and therefore may be subject to deportation.

C24 is a hoot.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 12:56

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

namaste faggots posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/leamington-multiculturalism-monarchy-1.3779812

If you don't like OUR traditions and our reverence for a culture of inbred social class obsessed society then feel FREE to MOVE back to aghanistan!

GO CANADA GO SCOTLAND GO GREAT BRITAIN GO TICATS

I'm personally offended by his spelling. This man runs a city of some kind.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 14:22

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-rcmp-detachment-nick-romanchuk-1.3780203

quote:

Kelowna's top cop retires as Abbotsford Police investigate "multiple allegations" at the detachment
Investigation began at the same time Supt. Nick Romanchuk took a leave of absence

The leader of the Kelowna RCMP has retired in the middle of an independent investigation into his detachment.

RCMP Supt. Nick Romanchuk has been off since Sept. 6 with no reason given. In an email, RCMP Staff Sgt. Rob Vermeulen said Romanchuk had decided to retire, but offered no details.

It comes while the Abbotsford Police Department continues to investigate a series of allegations against the Kelowna RCMP - an investigation that began at the same time Romanchuk took a leave of absence.

"I don't want to get into the specifics of it, but I will confirm that our investigators are involved...and that it's a series of allegations," said Cst. Ian Macdonald of the Abbotsford Police.

"I don't want to say anything that could hamper or interfere with our investigation."

Romanchuk became Kelowna's superintendent in 2013, following a number of years commanding detachments in the Kootenays.

An interim regional detachment commander is now in place.

hey look everybody the rcmp is being worthless garbage again

# ? Sep 27, 2016 15:07

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namaste faggots posted:

hey look everybody the rcmp is being worthless garbage again

What did they do?

# ? Sep 27, 2016 15:09

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

We are getting legalized pot in the spring as part of the Liberal #realchange platform, however no concrete moves on C-24, C-51, or MMIW. Fret not however, they have started inquiries to gather information for this election mandate.

namaste faggots posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-rcmp-detachment-nick-romanchuk-1.3780203

hey look everybody the rcmp is being worthless garbage again

Do they not forward the evidence gathered to criminal prosecutors or is this outside the scope of the internal affair mandate :psyduck:

# ? Sep 27, 2016 15:12

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

namaste faggots posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-rcmp-detachment-nick-romanchuk-1.3780203

hey look everybody the rcmp is being worthless garbage again

hey look everybody a sentence that's two words too long

# ? Sep 27, 2016 15:13

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

you seriously trust the rcmp to investigate themselves loving lmao

# ? Sep 27, 2016 15:14

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

namaste faggots posted:

you seriously trust the rcmp to investigate themselves loving lmao

Self regulation and policing worked for the bc realtors you shut your mouth

# ? Sep 27, 2016 15:15

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Furnaceface posted:

The new driver is drunk and blind, the old one is high and senile.

Someone should do a comedic play on les mis that's from the point of view of you. "Do you hear the people sing? Yes we do cause it's all loving day with the singing", "New boss same as the old boss", "That wall is nowhere near high enough, amateurs". Speaking of people trying to avoid a well deserved guillotining.

quote:

Ontario cancels plans for more green energy citing strong electricity supply

Energy minister says move will save province about $3.8 billion, keep $2.45 from being added to hydro bills

Ontario's energy ministry is cancelling plans to sign contracts for up to 1,000 megawatts of power from solar, wind and
other renewable energy sources to help keep rates down for consumers.

Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault says the decision is expected to save the province up to $3.8 billion in costs from its 2013 long-term plan, and will keep about $2.45 a month from being added to hydro bills.

Thibeault says the Independent Electricity System Operator's planning outlook determined Ontario has a robust supply of electricity for the next decade and won't need the additional power it had planned to purchase.

He's also looking for ways to reduce costs in the province's next long-term energy plan, which is scheduled to be released in 2017.

Thibeault says the government's investments in the electricity system over the past decade mean Ontario has "a strong supply of clean power."

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/ontario-electricity-plans-1.3780440

$3.8 billion divided by the number of Ontarians is almost $300 bucks for every man woman and child, I'm not sure how they got $2.45 per bill but whatever it is a step in the right direction only 6 years too late.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 15:22

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

So people in Victoria have been making a big deal out of our mayor being a reasonable host and greeting the royals. It proves she's a massive horrible hypocrite! You see, when she was sworn in as mayor she didn't pledge allegiance to the queen (as well as about half the council) because they thought it was a dated and silly thing.

Did you know you can't say hello or welcome someone to your city if you haven't pledge allegiance to their grandma? I don't know what they expected her to do, not show up at a major event? Be rude? Punch the royals on sight? Apologize and beg forgiveness from our natural ruling class? I had forgotten about the whole thing but apparently her and and bunch of council opting (as in it's an existing option, not some protest thing they did) for the swearing in that didn't involve the queen was a huge slight to CANADA. People were ranting about how it proves she's not just a socialist but anti-democratic because the queen represents democracy so if you don't swear your loyalty to a monarch it means you hate democracy and freedom.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 16:31

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

Seeing Hillary Clinton talk last night about how America will be the #1 superpower for clean energy made me feel bad for Canada. Y'all missed your chance to be relevant as an energy leader in the 21st century, instead pinning your future on tar sands. Imagine if instead Canada had invested heavily in alternative forms of energy, and could be instructing the rest of the world right now on how to build all the necessary infrastructure and having its experts consulted on all this stuff.

Hillary Clinton posted:

And let's build a cleaner, more resilient power grid with enough renewable energy to power every home in our country as well. Some country is going to be the clean energy superpower of the 21st century and create millions of jobs and businesses. It's probably going to be either China, Germany or America. I want it to be us! We invent the technology, we should make it and use it and export it, which will help to grow our economy.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 16:50

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

~~At least we're not fracking~~

# ? Sep 27, 2016 16:51

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Brannock posted:

Seeing Hillary Clinton talk last night about how America will be the #1 superpower for clean energy made me feel bad for Canada. Y'all missed your chance to be relevant as an energy leader in the 21st century, instead pinning your future on tar sands. Imagine if instead Canada had invested heavily in alternative forms of energy, and could be instructing the rest of the world right now on how to build all the necessary infrastructure and having its experts consulted on all this stuff.

I dunno man, I think it was worth using all that oil wealth to turn Alberta into the opulent paradise it is today.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 16:54

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Canada's economy is growing rapidly thanks to its talk estate market so the jokes on America

# ? Sep 27, 2016 16:59

tagesschau: Sep 1, 2006; Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

Hand Knit posted:

If you were born in Canada before the implementation of a certain voting act (some time in the mid 40s, I think), then you are legally a British subject and eligible for British citizenship, and therefore may be subject to deportation.

C24 is a hoot.

Yeah, except that the provision that permits them to strip citizenship from dual citizens blatantly discriminates on the basis of national and/or ethnic origin, and is therefore obviously unconstitutional without the notwithstanding clause, so the most you have to worry about is that you'll have to be the one to pay for the lawyer who gets the SCC to make the government stop this.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 16:59

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Lobok posted:

I dunno man, I think it was worth using all that oil wealth to turn Alberta into the opulent paradise it is today.

Yes, Alberta: The fiery ruby of western Canada.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 16:59

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

tagesschau posted:

Yeah, except that the provision that permits them to strip citizenship from dual citizens blatantly discriminates on the basis of national and/or ethnic origin, and is therefore obviously unconstitutional without the notwithstanding clause, so the most you have to worry about is that you'll have to be the one to pay for the lawyer who gets the SCC to make the government stop this.

Muhammad Aqeeq Ansari

# ? Sep 27, 2016 17:05

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

jm20 posted:

Muhammad Aqeeq Ansari

G&M calls him a permanent resident.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 17:12

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Furnaceface posted:

You cant mock the royals and the idea of monarchy without posting that hilarious family tree for Charles II of Spain.

Dude was actually more inbred than if his parents had been siblings.

Also notable, Ferdinand I of Austria, who had 4 grandparents, and also 4 great-grandparents.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 17:26

A Typical Goon: Feb 25, 2011

Lobok posted:

I dunno man, I think it was worth using all that oil wealth to turn Alberta into the opulent paradise it is today.

Think about all that truck equity bro

# ? Sep 27, 2016 20:14

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Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Brazeau is back at work

He told reporters that his first agenda item is finding a promoter for the rematch bout.

# ? Sep 27, 2016 21:30

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