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Zythrst posted:So I'm going to preface this by saying I'm asking in good faith and genuinely want to know. Do you guys agree with Hillary's doctrine of cyber attacks being possibly worthy of military response? Like, when the US and Israel sabotaged the Iranian nuclear program with Stuxnet, that's p. much an act of war.
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lol i forgot about stuxnet, what a terrible idea
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The truly "useful idiot" (I hate that phrase) is the one who initiates an armed conflict with a Russian proxy over a cyberattack.
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Sep 27, 2016 20:40
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Pinterest Mom posted:The word "possibly" is carrying a hell of a lot of weight here. Yes, of course. Stux net is one of the more direct attacks, but our nation has also inserted backdoors into numerous computing devices and components as well as the nsa spying through our tech companies. We don't have much of any leg to stand on when complaining about hacking and espionage from other countries
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Pinterest Mom posted:The word "possibly" is carrying a hell of a lot of weight here. Yes, of course. Well, and I guess people are going to call me  I suppose, but I assume this is all in response to the dnc hack, so I'm assuming that sort of thing would be deemed worthy of military response.
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Zythrst posted:Well, and I guess people are going to call me Why are you assuming that.
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Sep 27, 2016 20:46
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Zythrst posted:So I'm going to preface this by saying I'm asking in good faith and genuinely want to know. Do you guys agree with Hillary's doctrine of wizard attacks being possibly worthy of military response? By military response she means cyber attacks. So, sure. If Russia wants to gently caress around with cyber, let's see how they feel about not having any informational security.
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Sep 27, 2016 20:49
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I'M VERY GOOD ON CYBER
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Condiv posted:Stux net is one of the more direct attacks, but our nation has also inserted backdoors into numerous computing devices and components as well as the nsa spying through our tech companies. We don't have much of any leg to stand on when complaining about hacking and espionage from other countries By this standard, no country can ever complain about espionage ever.
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Sep 27, 2016 20:51
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docbeard posted:By this standard, no country can ever complain about espionage ever. Complaining's not what's happening, military action is being threatened.
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Sep 27, 2016 20:53
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Karl Barks posted:I'M VERY GOOD ON WIZARD I put a filter on, and I love it. Wizardpunk is cool and good. Zer0C00l hacking into the Gibson to steal Cyberdine's secrets.
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We eavesdropped the phone calls of 35 world leaders in the mid 2000s. If Russia collecting one party's emails is a battle-worthy offense then nearly every ally we have would be justified in taking military action against us. They wouldn't dare, of course, but that doesn't mean we should, or render Hillary's prognostications of conflict any less stupid
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Zythrst posted:Well, and I guess people are going to call me nobody's going to war because some DNC staffer was ***exposed*** cracking a joke about gays liking kathy griffin come the gently caress on
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Peztopiary posted:By military response she means cyber attacks. So, sure. If Russia wants to gently caress around with cyber, let's see how they feel about not having any informational security. She said that it would be treated like any other attack, which would be by any historical definition a war.
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Zythrst posted:Well, and I guess people are going to call me so to be clear you genuinely believe that Hillary Clinton believes launching military attacks (I assume you mean 'conventional' stuff like bombs right?) is a possible response to Literally Who of the DNC's grumbling about Sanders got leaked? You honestly believe that to be something that could happen? Zythrst posted:She said that it would be treated like any other attack, which would be by any historical definition a war. People use that in terms of 'we're not going to just roll our eyes and go 'oh those scamps' like we often do because many don't view cyber attacks as 'real' attacks still'.
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Sep 27, 2016 20:57
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Five minutes after Hillary's sworn in, nukes are in the air. NO ONE HACKS HER SECRET CAT PHOTOS. NO ONE.
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Sep 27, 2016 20:57
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Tatum Girlparts posted:so to be clear you genuinely believe that Hillary Clinton believes launching military attacks (I assume you mean 'conventional' stuff like bombs right?) is a possible response to Literally Who of the DNC's grumbling about Sanders got leaked? You honestly believe that to be something that could happen? Well okay, lets leave that off the table. Also mentioned were sanctions, would you be for levying sanctions because of it?
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Sep 27, 2016 20:58
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Zythrst posted:She said that it would be treated like any other attack, which would be by any historical definition a war. Espionage can merit all kinds of responses depending on severity. The normal way to view this is that nothing has changed, whatsoever. The thick weirdo way to view this is "Clinton might take us to war with Russia because they hacked the DNC."
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Sep 27, 2016 20:59
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Zythrst posted:Well okay, lets leave that off the table. Also mentioned were sanctions, would you be for levying sanctions because of it? because of what, the DNC hack or 'cyber attacks' in general? I think there are a ton of cyber attacks that are worthy of something like sanctions pushes. I don't think literally anyone, anyone at all, believes there should be any punishment beyond the actual hackers themselves for the DNC hack, and maybe a stern 'dick move' condemnation type thing.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:02
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Hey noted Green Party voter Zythrst, what do you think the chances are of
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Just to be clear I don't think we're going to war over DNC hacks, but I do believe that DNC hacks are why she made those statements, and I also think she did it because if we can blame the Putin monster then people won't pay attention to what they contain. Also a handy thing we can rinse and repeat with, and hey if they sabre rattle too, then Cold War pt 2 can be used for all sorts tasty things we might want to do.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:08
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zen death robot posted:With Bernie we would have got to angry old fuckers repeating their stump speeches at each other. Yea but at least
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Sep 27, 2016 21:09
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Zythrst posted:Just to be clear I don't think we're going to war over DNC hacks, but I do believe that DNC hacks are why she made those statements, and I also think she did it because if we can blame the Putin monster then people won't pay attention to what they contain. Also a handy thing we can rinse and repeat with, and hey if they sabre rattle too, then Cold War pt 2 can be used for all sorts tasty things we might want to do. such as what, tasty things such as what. Also if her plan was to distract people from the leaks by saying Putin did it that...sure didn't work, so what does it matter?
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Hey noted Green Party voter Zythrst, what do you think the chances are of I'm not a Green party voter, I'm an independent voter who think that Stein is as of right now the best of the four choices I'll be given on the presidential portion of the ballot.
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Zythrst posted:I'm not a Green party voter, I'm an independent voter who think that Stein is as of right now the best of the four choices I'll be given on the presidential portion of the ballot. do you agree with her vp's stance of 'maybe the jews will nuke america in a false flag like they did 9/11 to get us into war'
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Zythrst posted:I'm not a Green party voter, I'm an independent voter who think that Stein is as of right now the best of the four choices I'll be given on the presidential portion of the ballot. OK, see, when you say this Zythrst posted:Well, and I guess people are going to call me consider that you have made up your mind to vote for multiple literal conspiracy theorists. Specifically the crank kind, not the cool kind who tell interesting stories about MKULTRA or whatever. Maybe you should actually step back and think about what happened in your life that led you to lose your drat mind.
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Zythrst posted:I'm not a Green party voter, I'm an independent voter who think that Stein is as of right now the best of the four choices I'll be given on the presidential portion of the ballot. that sure is a lot of words for "loving kill my clueless rear end" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tatum Girlparts posted:such as what, tasty things such as what. Similar things that we did for 45 years 'cause communism', and do now 'cause terrorism'
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"And we're going to have to make it clear that we don't want to use the kinds of tools that we have. We don't want to engage in a different kind of warfare. But we will defend the citizens of this country." -Cyberbuela Me? I'm a cyber-pacifist...
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Zythrst posted:She said that it would be treated like any other attack, which would be by any historical definition a war. Yeah, a cyber war. Cyberwarfare is a thing, haven't you been listening? I don't think we're going boots on the ground over someone making the President tweet out 'I love dicks, lol' but I could certainly see us releasing (or just flat making up, and releasing through a third-party (wikileaks v2)) embarrassing Kremlin stuff.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:16
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too bad Bernie took the blue pill like a cuck
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word filter down?
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you broke it way to go
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:OK, see, when you say this I've said before, that I am not a Green. I am willing to vote for Stein as of now, because they are actually good on a number of important issues. I do not agree with any of the woo in the party I do not think Stein will be president, it is a protest, but it is also for giving an (admittedly very flawed) left party a better opportunity to get heard in the next cycle by hitting the thresholds.
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Peztopiary posted:Yeah, a cyber war. Cyberwarfare is a thing, haven't you been listening? I don't think we're going boots on the ground over someone making the President tweet out 'I love dicks, lol' but I could certainly see us releasing (or just flat making up, and releasing through a third-party (wikileaks v2)) embarrassing Kremlin stuff. Cyberwarfare could be pretty nasty for our country considering we really don't take security seriously where we should. For example, the entertainment and communications features in modern cars are poorly secured to the point some models of cars can be sabotaged remotely via the internet. Condiv has issued a correction as of 21:27 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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Zythrst posted:I've said before, that I am not a Green. I am willing to vote for Stein as of now, because they are actually good on a number of important issues. I do not agree with any of the woo in the party I do not think Stein will be president, it is a protest, but it is also for giving an (admittedly very flawed) left party a better opportunity to get heard in the next cycle by hitting the thresholds. why do you want a ticket involving a holocaust denier to get heard more
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Hey kids, play a little nicer Their worldview does not threaten yours. ....if it does there are designated safe spaces in this dumpster fire subforum, namaste  e: You already dogpile in the Jill Stein thread as it is and have made your points about her candidacy, at this point it's just taunting in other threads. Primaries are over so let's reduce the salt levels and personal attacks before there's a containment procedure for meltdowns in effect. Go back to THE CYBER if you can, getting a little sidetracked. Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 21:37 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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I mean I hate to be a stickler but I do think supporting a ticket that involves a guy who, at best, is neutral on the whole 'so the jews start all the world wars and will attack america right' thing because someone thinks that ticket needs and deserves more mainstream attention is mildly threatening!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I mean I hate to be a stickler but I do think supporting a ticket that involves a guy who, at best, is neutral on the whole 'so the jews start all the world wars and will attack america right' thing because someone thinks that ticket needs and deserves more mainstream attention is mildly threatening! that's not what people think of when they think "green party" tho. they think super far left environmentalist hippy people
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