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I disliked Blackquill at the beginning too but he grew on me quickly. Godot and Edgeworth are where it's at still I guess.
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Blackquill once he's free from jail and is able to be the bigass weeb he's meant to be is one of the best characters in the franchise. He doesn't even need to prosecute, just please bring him back to be anal about Japan.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:38
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Ace attorney investigations III -- Journey of the Samurai prosecutor.
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FrickenMoron posted:I disliked Blackquill at the beginning too but he grew on me quickly. Godot and Edgeworth are where it's at still I guess. While we're talking about prosecutors, what's so good about Godot? He drinks coffee, makes incomprehensible coffee metaphors, is a bit of a dick, and that's about it.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:46
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Godot's about tied with Nahyuta, just one step above Klavier.
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Amppelix posted:While we're talking about prosecutors, what's so good about Godot? He drinks coffee, makes incomprehensible coffee metaphors, is a bit of a dick, and that's about it. He did he job as a prosecutor and generally took control of the court. I feel like their role as your opponent is the most important part of these characters, and that's part of why Klavier will always be dead last.
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Amppelix posted:While we're talking about prosecutors, what's so good about Godot? He drinks coffee, makes incomprehensible coffee metaphors, is a bit of a dick, and that's about it. Coffee metaphors are funny and he's the prosecutor most personally motivated to defeat Phoenix which is neat. Like, Edgeworth is easily the most personal rival but the reason he became an rear end in a top hat and "The Demon Prosecutor" had nothing to do with Nick, while Godot's whole motivation is to defeat Nick because he hates him so much. Also, great theme. Still on the lower end of Prosecutors though. Not everyone can be as good as Blackquill.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:51
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Poque posted:he's basically Franziska, who is also terrible. He just says "putrid" instead of "fool" Franziska at least had several ways of calling you a fool that got increasingly ridiculous. Nahyuta just calls you a putrid lawyer and sometimes says you have a putrid mind too. His best insults were when he was describing the many different hells you would be sent to to the judge.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:52
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If you don't like Franziska you deserve to go on a whippety whip trip.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:55
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Franziska's a lame prosecutor but she's a lot better after AA2, and is very good outside of court.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:58
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More like you don't deserve to go on a whippity whip trip.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:57
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Franziska is probably almost last in terms of prosecutors, only just above Klavier. She's terrible to fight and basically relies on attacking you rather than interesting gimmicks and drained the satisfaction of victory when she beat Phoenix unconscious after he won. I'd honestly rank the prosecutors as Edgeworth > Von Karma > Blackquill > Godot > Ga'ran > Nahyuta > Franziska > Klavier. Franziska getting better outside of course doesn't make her any less crappy as a prosecutor you face.
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Me reading this thread right now:
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ImpAtom posted:Franziska is probably almost last in terms of prosecutors, only just above Klavier. She's terrible to fight and basically relies on attacking you rather than interesting gimmicks and drained the satisfaction of victory when she beat Phoenix unconscious after he won. I personally do not think that the spoiler thing listed here should count.
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mabels big day posted:I personally do not think that the spoiler thing listed here should count. If Von Karma counts so do they.
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Sep 27, 2016 22:15
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You are all forgetting de best prosecutor.
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mabels big day posted:I personally do not think that the spoiler thing listed here should count. Why wouldn't it count?
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ImpAtom posted:Why wouldn't it count? Because I don't like it.
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Sep 27, 2016 22:20
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Godot's sexism drops him far for me
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voltcatfish posted:Godot's sexism drops him far for me Yeah, the antagonistic character having a negative quality to give you a reason to hate him more is bad.
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Sep 27, 2016 22:26
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Godot played totally fair, believed in the guilt of the defendant, and opposed Phoenix for personal reasons rather than some obsession with a perfect record. He prosecuted by building rapport with witnesses and adapting to developments and arguments on the fly. Also he was just cool as heck. Every main series prosecutor since has tried and failed to be Godot. Blackquill is by far the most successful of those, and he does have the advantage of getting to hang around and be a huge weeb after the conclusion of his arc, but he still can't match up to original recipe Godot.
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Sep 27, 2016 22:34
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HenryEx posted:what
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Kajeesus posted:Godot played totally fair, believed in the guilt of the defendant, and opposed Phoenix for personal reasons rather than some obsession with a perfect record. He prosecuted by building rapport with witnesses and adapting to developments and arguments on the fly. Also he was just cool as heck. Every main series prosecutor since has tried and failed to be Godot. Blackquill is by far the most successful of those, and he does have the advantage of getting to hang around and be a huge weeb after the conclusion of his arc, but he still can't match up to original recipe Godot. I never got the impression Godot believed in the guilt of the defendant, or if that was even important to him. I thought it was all about him proving Phoenix Wright to be a stupid loser.
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I like Edgeworth the most because he has an arc, and embodies the idea AA tries to sell of dialectics (when two sides engage in honest debate, the truth emerges). Blackquill is similar, less of an arc, but he's interested in the truth. He's an antagonist but not a villain. Franziska is too concerned with "her record" and "revenge", and undermines the series focus on how both prosecutors and defense attorneys are important parts of the justice system. I appreciate that Klavier was grating, but at least he's a good person. The thing that undermines him is that a prosecutor sort of needs to be an antagonist, but also embody that message. Klavier was a bit too friendly, so cornering him wasn't really satisfying. I honestly don't remember much about Godot. As far as I remember, his twist was decent but was brought down by having too much of an axe to grind. The only real exception is Von Karma, who was really bad, but he wouldn't have worked as a main prosecutor of a game. The thing that props him up is his involvement in Edgeworth's arc, and the fact that by bringing down this corrupt prosecutor you're redeeming the court system as being a place about honest debate with Edgeworth (who now has more character development). It's really the exact same thing as the "dark age of law" except better executed and with far less bombast.
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Sep 27, 2016 22:46
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I think Nahyuta being wildly overprepared for things is a trait that can be built upon in a post AA6 world. I thought it was hilarious when he (Case 4) did a full rakugo skit that left even Blackquill, the biggest weeb, in shock Yuty will be great, I doubt this is the last time Khura'in is seen in these games
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Forget prosecutors, here's my ranking of Defense Attorneys Gregory Edgeworth > Mia Fey > Phoenix Wright > Miles Edgeworth > Apollo Justice > Raymond Shields > Simon Blackquill > Marvin Grossberg > Dhurke > Calisto Yew > Robert Hammond > Furio Tigre > Kristoph Gavin > Athena Cykes > Hugh O'Conner
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Carlosologist posted:I think Nahyuta being wildly overprepared for things is a trait that can be built upon in a post AA6 world. I thought it was hilarious when he (Case 4) did a full rakugo skit that left even Blackquill, the biggest weeb, in shock Yeah, I kind of have hope Nahyuta will pull a Franziska and be more entertaining in games after his introduction if he ever shows up again. mabels big day posted:Forget prosecutors, here's my ranking of Defense Attorneys Blackquill was never a defence attorney at most he was an assistant or consultant. With such a mistake how can any of these rankings hold water??
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I never got the impression Godot believed in the guilt of the defendant, or if that was even important to him. I thought it was all about him proving Phoenix Wright to be a stupid loser. Well he seemed convinced of Ron DeLite's guilt right up until the end. He may have been a bit iffy on Maggey's guilt after meeting the Tiger, I'll grant.
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Also Athena owns. Lotta big mistakes there, mabes. They're going to revoke your Phoenix Wright License and usher in the dark age of the attorney simulation. Also known as Apollo Justice.
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mabels big day posted:Forget prosecutors, here's my ranking of Defense Attorneys I know you don't like Athena but its insanely hosed up to put Robert Hammond above her That guy sucks
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Regy Rusty posted:I know you don't like Athena but its insanely hosed up to put Robert Hammond above her He did what he had to, and was killed in the line of duty.
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thanks alot assbag posted:You are all forgetting de best prosecutor.
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mabels big day posted:Yeah, the antagonistic character having a negative quality to give you a reason to hate him more is bad. Yeah but the script reads to me like he was supposed to be a sympathetic character and you were supposed to feel sad for him having fallen to murder in the end. But I just can't, because he's a big sexist dick who holds stupid grudges for stupid reasons and who got Ami Fey killed for basically no reason. I don't care how much you literally call him cool in the game Takumi, I'm not buying it!
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I'm a bit late, but Godot can own for having a smooth jazz theme and throwing coffee at Phoenix/chugging coffee as a breakdown without necessarily being a well-written or sympathetic character. There are different reasons to enjoy characters.
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Sep 27, 2016 23:47
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Athena is great and I wish the mood matrix was used more in this otherwise awesome game.
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Sexism is cool actually.
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Nate RFB posted:Athena is great and I wish the mood matrix was used more in this otherwise awesome game. Mood Matrix is really fun and I think that Rayfa's doom seance thing was a really good expansion of a similar concept. Instead of using moods, it used the five senses and did a fantastic job of it. I like them both a lot. I hope somebody smashes Apollo's bracelet in AA7 and mails each piece to a separate country.
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Poque posted:he's basically Franziska, who is also terrible. He just says "putrid" instead of "fool" He uses both, actually. 
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Poque posted:I hope somebody smashes Apollo's bracelet in AA7 and mails each piece to a separate country. Apollo's had all of one use of the bracelet that didn't rely on the person not just going "What? Nuh-uh, that's stupid" and that was pointing out the "Skull" on Kristoph Gavin's hand to nail him as the murderer. Athena's Mood Matrix is much more fun, and it actually feels like something court-admissible because it's all right there on the fancy holographic screen plain as day.
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Apollo's Bracelet is just a worse version of the Magatama. They both detect when people are lying/concealing information, but the Magatama plays into the game mechanics whereas the bracelet is just a lovely infuriating minigame.
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