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iospace posted:Ugh, even more reason to hate that car. The whole VAG empire is hateable. The Mk1 chassis is nearly perfect in every way, its beautiful. The Mk2 was a modest redesign that addresses most of the issues of the Mk1. Starting with the Mk3 they began shoving cheap poo poo into their cars to finance buying a shitload of luxury divisions and building the Bugatti. My grandfather came to this country and bought an air-cooled van to drive across it, my dad bought a beat to poo poo beetle when our family was dirty poor and I bought my Scirocco that was supposed to be crushed for scrap and ran it through university on a shoestring budget. The old cars will always hold a special place in our family for being cheap and reliable, but jesus nothing they've made in the past 20 years has resembled anything close to those cars. They've basically hosed over their traditional consumer base to build cars for rich people.
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blunt posted:Go back to the 10/6/5/4/3/2/1 points system, but also apply it to qualifying. Also fastest lap of the race gets 2 points. Nah, points system is fine the way it is. It was changed for a good reason.
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1500quidporsche posted:The whole VAG empire is hateable. The Mk1 chassis is nearly perfect in every way, its beautiful. The Mk2 was a modest redesign that addresses most of the issues of the Mk1. Starting with the Mk3 they began shoving cheap poo poo into their cars to finance buying a shitload of luxury divisions and building the Bugatti. Hey. My B5 S4 has always said nice things about you. 
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Alain Post posted:Someone once told me that Porsche's sportscar program in the 90s got killed because the engineers were pulled to work on the Cayenne, and I have no idea if that's true but that's loving bad if it is What happened was Porsche pulled out of LMP1 handing it over to Audi, and in return VAG helped Porsche out with the Caynne project. This was actually revleased quite recently, good article over at Mulsane Corner http://www.mulsannescorner.com/porschelmp1.html
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Sep 27, 2016 08:17
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Late to the party, but the difference in engine noise level between the v8's and the hybrids is in no way 'perception' or how the sound is picked up for TV.
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AgentJotun posted:Late to the party, but the difference in engine noise level between the v8's and the hybrids is in no way 'perception' or how the sound is picked up for TV. no one said it was
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wicka posted:no one said it was Please for love of god no one reply to this (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Farmland Park posted:What happened was Porsche pulled out of LMP1 handing it over to Audi, and in return VAG helped Porsche out with the Caynne project. This was actually revleased quite recently, good article over at Mulsane Corner http://www.mulsannescorner.com/porschelmp1.html I love this site as it's chalk full of technical info for  but WHY does it have to be white text on a black background? After 3 sentences my eyes want to 
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Sep 27, 2016 14:01
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The dude is like Joes Award except he's concise, interesting and knows what he's talking about.
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Sep 27, 2016 14:08
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CratSock posted:I don't see how drivers actually pushing harder instead of putting around to conserve fuel and tires would make racing more static. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't get how. Can you elaborate? If a driver can do a 1:12 with the car he has on lap 1, he can do 1:12 right to the end. There is no strategy. There is just 20 cars all lapping at their lap 1 speed the entire race. No-one gets a good late race run by cleverly saving some aspect of the car. Now? A heavy car on new tyres is a very different beast to a light car on old. Even more so if the driver isn't clever enough to save tyre life when it's so easy to wreck tyres when heavy.
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:Please for love of god no one reply to this stop trying to constantly start poo poo jfc (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 27, 2016 14:34
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F1 2016: Make Wicka gently caress Off Again (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 27, 2016 14:56
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:Please for love of god no one reply to this learnincurve posted:It's our old friend public perception again. The engine sound on the TV is massively turned down, always has been, so there is no point of reference other than commentators like Brundle bitching about the sound, in the flesh they are much much louder.
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yeah and her point is that it's louder in person than it seems, not that it's as loud as the V8s
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this was exactly the point yes. If you want a real reference point between the two eras then you have to listen to the drivers radio.
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Dudley posted:If a driver can do a 1:12 with the car he has on lap 1, he can do 1:12 right to the end. There is no strategy. There is just 20 cars all lapping at their lap 1 speed the entire race. No-one gets a good late race run by cleverly saving some aspect of the car. OK, I can agree with some of that. The times will drop as fuel is used up, and each car will still use up tires at a different rate, so some changes will come into play. But I think saving something for a late run is kind of artificial anyway. Let's say the Mercs are doing 1:12s and the next best car can only manage a 1:13. That gap will still play out over a 70 lap race, it just a) gets worse; or b) allows them to create whatever cushion they're comfortable with and cruise the rest of the race at a boring set pace. Maybe a hybrid long-sprint race system would work. Something that still allows choice of tires, and 1 stop to change and/or refuel (I know refueling will not come back because of logistics issues and safety concerns, but I think it would make the racing more interesting). At least that would allow for some optimistic no-stoppers on hard tires and give you that end of race fresh super soft guy to chase them down.
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That's not F1 though, that's just using F1 cars in a completely different type of race - not that it should not be done, all sorts of awesome poo poo could be done with the support races if the promoters give a poo poo and the teams had the money. F1 drag racing for example would be good and cool.
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Going back to the LMP1 chat a few pages back. Reading about the ByKolles LMP1 car's history and loving  it's just a warmed over LMP2 chassis that they're in a legal dispute over and so they moved to LMP1 to claim it was an all new design.
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Sep 27, 2016 16:52
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I forget exactly what year it was, but I remember the ByKolles leaking a shitton of fuel into the cockpit as well as multiple bank seizures.
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learnincurve posted:That's not F1 though, that's just using F1 cars in a completely different type of race - not that it should not be done, all sorts of awesome poo poo could be done with the support races if the promoters give a poo poo and the teams had the money. F1 drag racing for example would be good and cool. True... but F1 as it is now is getting pretty dry. I like the idea of using the cars (maybe test/reserve drivers) in supporting events too, that would be awesome. I'm just looking for some way to increase the urgency on track and get rid of the pace-targeted races. They're practically driving Time Speed Distance Rallies for much of the races.
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George Zimmer posted:I forget exactly what year it was, but I remember the ByKolles leaking a shitton of fuel into the cockpit as well as multiple bank seizures. That fuel line thing always struck me as very odd. The gas tank should normally be behind the driver and in front of the engine so why do they have a high pressure fuel line in the cockpit.
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1500quidporsche posted:That fuel line thing always struck me as very odd. The gas tank should normally be behind the driver and in front of the engine so why do they have a high pressure fuel line in the cockpit. That's actually a pretty common arrangement in sprint cars but yeah, it's totally out of place in sportscar racing.
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I'm gonna go ahead and say that this is awesome.
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1500quidporsche posted:The dude is like Joes Award except he's concise, interesting and knows what he's talking about. Yea, he seems pretty Cool And Good imo
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Sep 27, 2016 22:13
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Nando to MotoGP and Rossi to F1. Everybody wins.
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Meanwhile in Super Formula... https://twitter.com/altf1podcast/status/780959312415830016/photo/1
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njsykora posted:Meanwhile in Super Formula... loving incredible lol
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njsykora posted:Meanwhile in Super Formula... Front tire ninja changes tire before left tire schlub dose.
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Yeah the SF front pit guys are fun to watch.
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wicka posted:yeah and her point is that it's louder in person than it seems, not that it's as loud as the V8s And that point would be completely wrong. They are even quieter then most people probably expect.
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If the volume level of the droning produced by 22 cars making the exact same sound is critically important to your enjoyment of this sport then I recommend you purchase Mr Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music and play that in your stereo system during the race.
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The V8s sounded like poo poo.
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1500quidporsche posted:If the volume level of the droning produced by 22 cars making the exact same sound is critically important to your enjoyment of this sport then I recommend you purchase Mr Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music and play that in your stereo system during the race. Honestly, if someone wants good engine noise, go to a drat V8 Supercar or NASCAR race. There, big beastly V8s rumbling away.
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iospace posted:Honestly, if someone wants good engine noise, go to a drat V8 Supercar or NASCAR race. There, big beastly V8s rumbling away. Until 2018 when Supercars gets V6s.
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Human Grand Prix posted:The V8s sounded like poo poo. 
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I dunno what you guys are talking about with NASCAR and supercars noise, if you want noise go to NHRA top fuel. 10,000 horsepower bro, not no sissy poo poo
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I dunno what you guys are talking about with NASCAR and supercars noise, if you want noise go to NHRA top fuel. 10,000 horsepower bro, not no sissy poo poo I love motor noise but gently caress, that poo poo is some other level of loud.
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WEC has the best noise, you have about a dozen different engine configurations with unique sounds running around. I just want variety, if you have a field of 20 or so of the same type of engine no matter what you do its going to just mush together.
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I know someone who's into that (top fuel dragstars) and he is, in one word, a "oval office".
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GramCracker posted:I love motor noise but gently caress, that poo poo is some other level of loud. I heard the noise of a top fuel dragster described as the kind of noise you feel in your bones for several days afterwards. Also related to NHRA stuff this from the misc. racing thread a few days ago. Top fuel cars don't gently caress around in any way. ColonelJohnMatrix posted:I went to eliminations yesterday at the NHRA AAA Nationals in St. Louis and within 5 minutes of walking into the pit area from the parking lot, I was immediately downwind of Brittany Force's top fueler when it fired up for the warm-ups and I got an unexpected huff of straight nitromethane exiting the pipes. My sinuses immediately unloaded and my eyes started watering and wouldn't stop. I toughed it out for a couple hours in the stands as I brought a buddy who was having a great time, but eventually had to leave because my eyes and sinuses were too much. He had to drive home as I could hardly keep my eyes open as they burned like a mother. I got home and flushed my eyes out in the shower for like 15 minutes and felt much better, but everything was still pretty f'ed up. I woke up this morning and while much better, I still felt like I had a bad cold so I figured i better head to the doctor.
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