Acer Pilot posted:

Now if I could only enjoy watching 24 as much as this. Struggling to start season 4 of that show It started off so well too.

Dirty posted:

Don't worry, only 2,581 more breaches of CTU security between now and the end of the series.

Knormal posted:

I say commander, then rename the current commander sub-commander. Then make ensigns centurions and give them giant helmets and everything gets awesome.

Acer Pilot posted:

I'm re-watching DS9 on Netflix and am at season 3 already. Nearly forgot how much greater the show got when the Dominion popped up.

Now if I could only enjoy watching 24 as much as this. Struggling to start season 4 of that show It started off so well too.

WickedHate posted:

I wonder what it'd be like being a Star Trek fan in the 90s, when the franchise was at it's peak.

WickedHate posted:

I wonder what it'd be like being a Star Trek fan in the 90s, when the franchise was at it's peak.

WickedHate posted:

I wonder what it'd be like being a Star Trek fan in the 90s, when the franchise was at it's peak.

Baronjutter posted:

I watched TNG, DS9, and VOY as their aired with my mom. Sometimes with my dad, but usually just with my mom. She got really mad when DS9 ended because she wanted more and to know what happened to all the characters. I think she still holds out for some sort of DS9 movie.

My friend last night was saying that Voyager is maybe the best trek, or at least his favourite, it's a closs toss up with TNG. I was saying I was giving enterprise a chance and the best thing I can say about it is that it's at least not as bad as Voyager. I don't know why people like Voyager, it's really loving bad. It's not like subjective matter of opinion bad, it's writing is objectively stupid and bad and the show is wildly inconsistent and clearly gives no fucks about anything.

Apollodorus posted:

The Star Wars thread seems to consist mostly of people who actually believe the Prequel trilogy are *good movies*

Apollodorus posted:

The Star Wars thread seems to consist mostly of people who actually believe the Prequel trilogy are *good movies*

Apollodorus posted:

The Star Wars thread seems to consist mostly of people who actually believe the Prequel trilogy are *good movies*

egon_beeblebrox posted:

I like the third one. It's not good, but I enjoy it.

Gammatron 64 posted:

Don't go into CineD ever. EVER.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

This should honestly be in the SA Forums General Rules. Think of one movie you really enjoy and one movie you absolutely despise and then imagine that each of your choices probably has a CineD thread full of people waiting to tell you how wrong your opinion is. And in order to prove their point, they'll each write a 5 paragraph essay that draws almost entirely from their freshman screenwriting course and that one time they thumbed through Hero with a Thousand Faces.

It's an entire forum full of broken people.

Gammatron 64 posted:

It's basically a forum filled with really, really pretentious contrarians who think they're geniuses because they like movies that are typically considered to be bad by the unwashed masses, i.e. everyone in the entire world outside of CineD.

Here is a 10 paragraph essay full of bullshit on why you are an idiot mouth-breathing troglodyte if you don't like Michael Bay's Transformers movies or see them as artistic masterpieces!

It was great when the guys on Red Letter Media who are filmmakers who went to film school, understand film theory and make actual films specifically called out CineD poster MisterBibs and told he that he's really stupid.

Tunicate posted:

I thought it was just high-effort trolling

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

First things first: the narrative structure of the Star Wars film series is ever-shifting. As each film is introduced, the meaning changes.

Three extremely different films were grouped together and are now understood as 'The OT', the story of how Luke Skywalker killed the evil robot Darth Vader and saved his father - Anakin. This killing of the robot ultimately represented the triumph of liberal democracy over the various failed utopian projects of the past. In general, the OT can be summarized as naïvely optimistic.

Subsequently, three films were introduced that called out the OT for its naïveté. The human Anakin, it reveals, was a fascist stooge. The bad robot monster that everyone had rejected was none other than Christ Himself. We were fooled: liberal democracy was the enemy. It was all a sham. We killed Him for plastic toys, and His blood is on our hands. With the addition of these three films, the context of the originals had changed. The entire six-film series became the tale of Darth Vader's crucifixion. It can be summarized as brutally honest.

And now we have a seventh film.

The Force Awakens is a story of willful ignorance and self-deceit.

Who are the Republic? Who are the Resistance? Who are the First Order? People are confused because they are not reading the imagery.

The basic story is simple: it is the story of a USB key that travels across the galaxy and gradually morphs into a laser sword. Max Van Sydow is the personification of this object; it respresents his legacy. And he explains exactly what he stands for: "only the Jedi can bring balance to the force." He supports Leia's Resistance because 'she's royalty to him.' The Resistance heroes are all working to bring back feudalism, and the New Order is working to prevent that.

If you've read the previous thread and seen the previous films, you know that nobody ever mentions a 'light side', because there isnt one. The entire Force - the entire universe - is darkness, and to believe otherwise is to have your vision clouded. The light side exists only as the holy spirit - the community of believers in Christ/Vader. Vader was the incarnation of the Force and, when he died, the Force died with him.

Force Awakens, on the other hand, is constantly talking about the light side, and visualizing it as literal light: the ships all have massive headlights attached, the recurring image is of a dark ball of tentacles being obliterated by a burst of light (e.g. When that thing is attached to the windshield). The light cleanses, and the light purifies. this is what Van Sydow means by 'balance'.

But this literal light is not the Holy Spirit. It's the dark side, rebranded. It's sheer, burning power. Audiences cheer when Rey displays her insane power. Her mutant powers, aka 'force sensitivity', aka midichlorians - make her stronger than anyone else. Her mind-tricks are not subtle manipulations, but a direct reprogramming of the enemy's mind. She wins by being darker than Kylo.

So: why would a family abandon their child in a junkyard?

The simplest answer is that they're terrified of her.

Basically, JJ Abrams has tricked you into worshiping the dark side. Maz runs a temple devoted to herself, and nobody is suspicious? Whoops!

Cojawfee posted:

Is this in one of their videos?

Big Mean Jerk posted:

If it's trolling, then SuperMechaGodzilla is a God-King.

Baronjutter posted:

My friend last night was saying that Voyager is maybe the best trek, or at least his favourite, it's a closs toss up with TNG. I was saying I was giving enterprise a chance and the best thing I can say about it is that it's at least not as bad as Voyager. I don't know why people like Voyager, it's really loving bad. It's not like subjective matter of opinion bad, it's writing is objectively stupid and bad and the show is wildly inconsistent and clearly gives no fucks about anything.

showbiz_liz posted:

I mean, for people who are now in their late 20s and early 30s, VOY is just "the one that was on TV when I was an older kid/teen." I'm 28, which means TNG was on the air from ages 0-7, DS9 was ages 6-12, and VOY was ages 8-14. Of course the other shows were also in syndication during those times, so it was possible to watch all of them, but as far as I was concerned, VOY was the new shiny Trek show, and I watched it because I loved Star Trek and was a dumb kid without super-discerning tastes. I liked the Doctor, I liked seeing new weird aliens, as a little girl I liked that there was an angry Klingon woman and a bossy lady captain AND a weird sexy lady cyborg. I don't remember ever thinking "wow this show is terrible but I'll still watch it," like I did with the last few seasons of the X-Files. I just watched it and liked it, like every other Trek show. (And then I never watched ENT because, well, c'mon.)

Someday I'll revisit VOY, and I'm sure I'll see all kinds of glaring problems with it when I do, but for most people who are not giant nerds like me who rewatch decades-old SF shows, VOY is just "oh, yeah, that was the one with the sexy cyborg and the holo-doctor right? I remember that. Good times."

Gammatron 64 posted:

It was great when the guys on Red Letter Media who are filmmakers who went to film school, understand film theory and make actual films specifically called out CineD poster MisterBibs and told he that he's really stupid.

Cojawfee posted:

Even movies are good, odd movies are bad. Don't make things complicated.

Cojawfee posted:

Even the CineD Star Trek thread is immediately ruined because some goon is pushing his insane "trek cycle" theory. Even movies are good, odd movies are bad. Don't make things complicated.

Cojawfee posted:

So is this what it was like for the TOS people right before TNG came out? "I was there for the good Star Trek, man."

Knormal posted:

Cojawfee posted:

The Search for Spock: Bad