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Der Shovel posted:it's nice to see proper journalists doing their jobs. Not sure I agree. Its one thing to uncover corruption that is happening and another thing entirely to manufacture it yourself purely to sell papers. What they did was akin to inviting Gazza out for a drink and then plastering ALKY GAZZA FALLS OFF WAGON all over the front page.
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Blue Star Error posted:Not sure I agree. Its one thing to uncover corruption that is happening and another thing entirely to manufacture it yourself purely to sell papers. What they did was akin to inviting Gazza out for a drink and then plastering ALKY GAZZA FALLS OFF WAGON all over the front page. Yeah, there is a sense of entrapment to it. It's like that News of the World Sheikh that used to meet with royals and politicians for headlines.
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The moment they asked anything dodgy he should have left. anyway i think we can all agree with ronnie o'sullivan https://twitter.com/ronnieo147/status/781029131492421632
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Jose posted:The moment they asked anything dodgy he should have left. anyway i think we can all agree with ronnie o'sullivan Ha "break"
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Blue Star Error posted:What they did was akin to inviting Gazza out for a drink and then plastering ALKY GAZZA FALLS OFF WAGON all over the front page. I'm not sure I agree with that in return! If anyone were to do that to Gazza or some other alcoholic (or people with other addictions) that would be immoral and deplorable. They would be intentionally preying on a weakness, which is not quite what happened with Harry, IMO. I mean, yeah, there's an element of entrapment here, but Harry is just as capable as anyone else of saying "nope, not doing that, this is dodgy as gently caress, sorry lads" and walking out. Probably even moreso because as the England manager he should be financially well off and not actually in desperate need of money. It may not be lily white as far as morals go, but it's also interesting to hear how many bites they got, which could indicate a widespread issue of corruption in sport.
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Sep 28, 2016 16:04
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 a loving pint of wine
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It might be a Koppaberg or similar? There's no way it's wine
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Sep 28, 2016 16:27
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I want to believe that Sam chugs down Blossom Hill by the pint.
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JFairfax posted:what loving beer looks like that? Heineken, Stella, any other light pissy beer that Big Sam would drink.
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it's def a pint of wineShrapnig posted:Heineken, Stella, any other light pissy beer that Big Sam would drink. it's the wrong colour for those, they're still amber beers whereas that glass is definitely the shade of a nice pint of sauvignon blanc
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Sep 28, 2016 16:29
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Jose posted:The moment they asked anything dodgy he should have left. anyway i think we can all agree with ronnie o'sullivan Agreed Tony Blair for England manager
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Sep 28, 2016 16:30
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Hes got experience defanging the opposition in away ties and handling the English press, might want to hope you don't get matched with the US once the World Cup rolls around though as he'll probably throw
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Sep 28, 2016 16:34
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Sep 28, 2016 16:38
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Someone asked one of the Telegraph hacks what he was drinking, and apparently it was in fact a pint of wine. I think he just couldn't be arsed to wait for a wine glass and poured the bottle into his empty pint instead.
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Sep 28, 2016 16:41
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Insurrectionist posted:Hes got experience defanging the opposition in away ties and handling the English press, might want to hope you don't get matched with the US once the World Cup rolls around though as he'll probably throw Unfortunately for when he destroys the opposition and leaves them in ruins, ICC can prosecute him for war crimes this time
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Blue Star Error posted:Not sure I agree. Its one thing to uncover corruption that is happening and another thing entirely to manufacture it yourself purely to sell papers. What they did was akin to inviting Gazza out for a drink and then plastering ALKY GAZZA FALLS OFF WAGON all over the front page. Ninpo posted:Yeah, there is a sense of entrapment to it. There's no entrapment here. For one, Sam hasn't broken any laws. Two, entrapment means you make someone do something they wouldn't already have done - nobody forced Sam to go to these meetings (and in fact several other managers said no), and he said he did this "for his friend". Everything The Telegraph has presented suggests that, if this had been a genuine meeting, Sam would have acted in precisely the same way. That's why he lost his job. The comparison with Gazza is misleading as well, he has a well known medical issue that the paper would be exploiting. Greed isn't a medical condition. Basically, this: Der Shovel posted:I'm not sure I agree with that in return! If anyone were to do that to Gazza or some other alcoholic (or people with other addictions) that would be immoral and deplorable. They would be intentionally preying on a weakness, which is not quite what happened with Harry, IMO.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Someone asked one of the Telegraph hacks what he was drinking, and apparently it was in fact a pint of wine. thankyou!
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Skinty McEdger posted:Someone asked one of the Telegraph hacks what he was drinking, and apparently it was in fact a pint of wine. No I really hope he actually ordered a point of wine.
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Sep 28, 2016 16:54
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Hah yes I hadn't considered the fact the wine would be self served. Reason alone to sack him
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Its not legally entrapment but who cares? We're not putting him on trial. The point is we all knew he was a bit dodgy, we didn't need the telegraph to dress up like Chinamen to find this out. Gazza can't resist a drink, Big Sam can't resist a bung, these are not revelations. This wasn't a brave piece of investigative journalism, we're not living in a safer, less corrupt and more transparent world thanks to the telegraph, it was done purely to cause a scandal because England team scandals sell papers. We should give Joe Kinnear the job at least he'll tell the press to gently caress off.
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Sep 28, 2016 17:01
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This is bringing home to me what it is we've lost. A man that goes to a restaurant and necks an industrial quantity of Hardy's from a completely inappropriate drinking vessel is the sort of man that English footballers can respect.
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Blue Star Error posted:Its not legally entrapment but who cares? We're not putting him on trial. The point is we all knew he was a bit dodgy, we didn't need the telegraph to dress up like Chinamen to find this out. Gazza can't resist a drink, Big Sam can't resist a bung, these are not revelations. I disagree entirely. Apart from the fact that this investigation was started months prior to Sam being given the England job, it's exposing the corruption in the Premier League and the national team. Of course it's not the most pressing need we have but I for one don't want an England manager who's happy taking cash on the side. I'm finding it difficult to work out how you're drawing your conclusion that this was done purely to cause a scandal. Nobody investigates corruption to sweep it under the rug and forget about it.
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peanut- posted:This is bringing home to me what it is we've lost. A man that goes to a restaurant and necks an industrial quantity of Hardy's from a completely inappropriate drinking vessel is the sort of man that English footballers can respect. its so big sam its amazing. reminder that big sam's villa on the costa blanca is actually called Big Sam's villa
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EvilHawk posted:Nobody investigates corruption to sweep it under the rug and forget about it. Let me tell you about a little organization called FIFA...
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EvilHawk posted:I disagree entirely. Apart from the fact that this investigation was started months prior to Sam being given the England job, it's exposing the corruption in the Premier League and the national team. Of course it's not the most pressing need we have but I for one don't want an England manager who's happy taking cash on the side. They manufactured a scandal. Not sure what you're missing about this. All we learned is that some managers will be willing to discuss shady consulting services when you trick them to come to a restaurant with promises of motivational speaking gigs.
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EvilHawk posted:I disagree entirely. Apart from the fact that this investigation was started months prior to Sam being given the England job, it's exposing the corruption in the Premier League and the national team. Of course it's not the most pressing need we have but I for one don't want an England manager who's happy taking cash on the side. I didn't realise this was done pre-England job that does change things. Its done to cause a scandal because they aren't investigating corruption that is happening, they are making up their own imaginary potential corruption and seeing who bites. No corruption has actually happened, all we've found out is that Big Sam would hypothetically do something a bit dodgy for money, we knew that already, but they can't print "we knew that already" and get the England manager sacked and sell a load of papers.
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Not really true BSE, the initial conversations revealed past practices
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Big Sam should have been smarter, if he couldn't be smarter his loving agent should have had some words of caution. It's not just the fact that he was willing to do a potentially dodgy deal, he offered to help get around a key rule of the FA's and called it ridiculous or watever. He acted in a way that was totally not befitting of an England manager and it is entirely his fault. At any point he could have left or told them to gently caress off. Instead he got pissed with them, slagged off everyone he could and looked to line his own pockets. Yes it's a bit of a setup but Big Sam ran head first into it and there was no need to.
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Just popping in to say: Get hosed, Sam.
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Blue Star Error posted:I didn't realise this was done pre-England job that does change things. Ah yes, the classic "this was a one off!" defence. Sam has done this before, he was willing to do it now, and almost certainly he would continue to do it in the future. Also, they are investigating corruption that is happening. They released a story yesterday alleging at least four current managers are similarly corrupt. blue footed boobie posted:They manufactured a scandal. Not sure what you're missing about this. All we learned is that some managers will be willing to discuss shady consulting services when you trick them to come to a restaurant with promises of motivational speaking gigs. He wasn't tricked into going to the restaurant. He said he did it to help his friend, and he has been accused of doing the same with agents in the past. He wasn't lured there under false pretences. I'm finding it bizarre that people are treating Sam as if he's been conned. He knew exactly what he was doing, the only thing he's sorry about is that he got caught.
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Cardiff City football club launched an investigation into a player transfer after auditors discovered evidence of unexplained payments, The Daily Telegraph has learnt. A loan deal involving Cardiff and West Ham United, who were managed by Sam Allardyce at the time, was examined after questions were raised over fees relating to the deal. An agent is understood to have told the club that a payment had been agreed with Allardyce over the loan of Ravel Morrison, who moved to the Welsh club from West Ham in 2014. The agent involved is understood to be Pino Pagliara, who is banned from conducting transfers and often uses an intermediary to conduct his transfer business. The allegations prompted Cardiff to launch an investigation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/27/exclusive-cardiff-held-inquiry-into-deal-with-sam-allardyces-wes/
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The FA is a corrupt horrible organisation and anything that fleeces them out of more money and more years of failure for the national team is good in my book, so Big Sam is a good lad
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JFairfax posted:I hope Wenger gets the job the end of the season Big Sam getting the sack, four games of Southgate and then Wenger? Pissflaps dead due to rage induced heart attack
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Sep 28, 2016 20:14
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Lenin Riefenstahl posted:Big Sam getting the sack, four games of Southgate and then Wenger? Pissflaps dead due to rage induced heart attack I thought he already died when Corbyn stayed on as Labour leader
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Sep 28, 2016 20:21
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National team job should just be a part-time gig for a real manager. No reason why they need somebody working year round
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E: Wrong thread but most modern attempts by managers to coach both club and NT seem to end in various degrees of tepid failure is my impression
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Troy Queef posted:I thought he already died when Corbyn stayed on as Labour leader sadly not
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