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And here I thought I'd have to wait until the next chapter to see people getting torn to shreds
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U-DO Burger posted:And here I thought I'd have to wait until the next chapter to see people getting torn to shreds Pretty sure it's a new thread feature actually. 
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Sep 28, 2016 20:58
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Temple, I have a question: how do you feel about when Guts was running around killing apostles for 2 years?
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Sep 28, 2016 22:37
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Darth Walrus posted:The words human being and gay have more than one meaning. Other slurs like spic or friend of the family have a very specific meaning. Artists especially should have a more critical perception to the use of language than just assuming the worst. This is nothing more than lesbian/feministic bullying. Quit posting about posters.
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Sep 28, 2016 22:38
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There is nothing intellectual about this conversion so it checks out.
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Despite all the metaphors, there is still some responsibility born by the Hawks. Of course, this depends entirely on some base moral philosophy, but without one there's no argument that the Hawks were misused in the Eclipse. Proceeding then, are the minions irresponsible when following the general's orders? Quite the contrary in a golden age, where the king is infallible and everyone else is necessarily guilty. Griffith's position is quite clear here though: He tells the Queen there are no innocents in war. He asks Guts if he's evil for doing all these things without getting his hands dirty. He is completely detached from Charlotte, except perhaps for some small moment of grief, but otherwise he is entirely using everyone as a simple object. He offers rewards to the Hawks? Does that truly describe placing their backs to a river at Doldery? Does Corkus consider himself anything anymore, or truly have any aspirations? He storms off from Guts after pointing out that everything they have is... Griffith's, from Griffith, a result of Griffith. Griffith didn't reward them by permitting them the opportunity to become nobles; they were made nobles as part of Griffith's train. Is it possible that Griffith only ever told Guts "I will be king"? Sure, but the Hawks were Griffith's nonetheless. Griffith fell and the Hawks fell. Griffith still had his mind, Casca kept the Hawks hearts barely beating. All were shocked during the start of the Eclipse, but look back at the moment the decision was actually made. If Griffith had to sacrifice his body, why not the whole team? Why not Casca if Griffith was with Gennon? Guts rightly noted, I was just a small pebble in the path, you'll pick yourself back up and keep going. The Eclipse was another pebble; Griffith didn't trip.
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Sep 29, 2016 00:24
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Does any of that mean anything.
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Bad Seafood posted:Griffith apologeticism is absolute idiocy Frankly speaking, sympathy for the devil Griffith is one of the best possible reactions. Surely he is simply too beautiful to be destroyed. I've devoured like 4000 pages of this manga, and the omitted details become the catalyst leading up to the unforeseen resolution to the current problem. Casca's disembodied psyche was still holding on, reinforcing the possibility that the white hawk was merely a prisoner of bad fortune with superdimensional forces. She made a conscious decision to remove herself consciously from this opera, leaving an earthly placeholder to keep watch over her body and unborn child. The "free will argument" is the centerpiece to this great drama. A battlefield during a turbulent fight has been elluded to a fight amongst fellows over a woman, a sort of dual insemination of potentialities, to be decided by the victor. the egg of the king suggests a vessel of potentiality, nothing more. Griffith is an argument for free will, even the freedom to forsake useless baggage for the greater good. The freedom to reserve explanation in the heat of battle. He is still potentially good, which is what Guts knows, thus his foremost task is not to destroy him, but to recover what can be recovered. The band of scoundrels and looters may well have been collateral damage, and Griff might well be playing a role, in wait for an opportunity to overthrow the fingers of the Godhand. He's a drat beautiful man, kinda an rear end in a top hat, and any hasty resolution would be an abrupt and unfail end to this artful manga about things that make me think deep thinks.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:27
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get this: griffith... is bad. checkmate bitch!!
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Sep 29, 2016 02:13
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Indeed the black and white nature of Midland's day to day existence does so indicate that Griffith is just a baddie. Maybe a better author could expand that, but Miura's only concerned with perfect cross hatching sadly. Oh well.
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There are lots of theories and interpretations, but I'm really not seeing "actually fighting in a regular war under a general that does his best to keep you alive is exactly the same as getting fed to demons" as being one supported by the work.
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Sep 29, 2016 02:49
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Andrigaar posted:Indeed the black and white nature of Midland's day to day existence does so indicate that Griffith is just a baddie. Berserk is fairly straightforward yeah, ain't a lot of room for grey.
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Sep 29, 2016 03:02
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Also Griffith raped Casca so unless that's also acceptable because she was a soldier working for him (spoiler: it isn't) Griffith is still garbage.
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Bad Seafood posted:Temple's Griffith apologeticism is absolute idiocy I think Griffith is good for the reasons people think he's bad 
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Metal Pink Babble posted:sympathy for the devil If this were merely some attempt to "Know" Griffith, to understand how he's become the way he is and why he does the things he does, then sure, go ahead. If you want to argue he did terrible things with some noble goal in mind, I seriously doubt that (and certainly he's done some terrible things entirely divorced from whatever that "Noble" overarching goal might be), but that's a battle you can maybe fight from a weaker position with more information. If you wanna start saying things like "Actually, the terrible things he did weren't actually terrible" though, and that his victims somehow all consented to their fate (with the related assertion that Rickert was "Spared" because he couldn't "Consent," even though that doesn't jive with the interpretation that they were all willing to die for him anyway), now we're getting into some weird territory I can't and don't condone, and won't go to bat for nor dress up my sentiments. At his lowest point, in a position of weakness, Griffith was tempted with power and accepted. He succumbed, and his first use of this newfound power was an act of petty, selfish, indulgent and barbaric revenge against the two people he percieved as hurting him the most. There is no nobility there, no misunderstood love. A human was hurt, and in response hurt others. You can argue he's a monstrous figure. You can argue he's a tragic figure. You can argue he's a complex human being. But you can't argue "Actually, he's the good guy, and all that stuff he did was totally kosher; if only Guts could look past his personal greivances" without whitewashing his actions to an absurd degree. mabels big day posted:I think Griffith is good for the reasons people think he's bad
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mabels big day posted:I think Griffith is good for the reasons people think he's bad You're a real hosed up piece of work then.
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Pewdiepie posted:Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad for them. Okay, we've hit that thread milestone again. Yay  So I've never played a musou game and I keep trying to lower my expectations of my dudebrochick being a whirling death monster through mobs of orcs and mooks unphased till the next objective, or hopefully epic boss battle. I'm also worried I'll be more appeased replaying DS3 with the Abyss cape and a greatsword. Because greatswords are the loving bees knees.
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Sep 29, 2016 06:26
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Josuke Higashikata posted:griffith likes dubbed anime jesus dude, this is a light-hearted series about rape, murder, and the end of the world, it doesn't need horrific poo poo like that in it
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*joins the marines* can't wait to get fed to a giant evil space alien by my superiors, which I have implicitly Consented To via Partaking in War
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IronicDongz posted:*joins the marines* can't wait to get fed to a giant evil space alien by my superiors, which I have implicitly Consented To via Partaking in War Starship Troopers is a good movie
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Andrigaar posted:Okay, we've hit that thread milestone again. Yay Those aren't the words I posted.
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http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/09/26/berserk-and-the-band-of-the-hawk-interview-producer-talks-gameplay-frame-rate-violence-and-more/ 8 playable characters are all we're getting in Berserk Musou, so no Skully. It runs at 30FPS on all platforms, they don't know about PC fps. Dismemberment doesn't seem to be getting added in the West. Hype gone. Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Sakurazuka posted:Starship Troopers is a good movie
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If the IOE is just exercising the will of humanity, then people wanted the Hawks to get munched. Military contracts and job descriptions have nothing to do with it; it's pure, utilitarian, instantaneous voting at its finest... if the IOE is effective.
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Sakurazuka posted:Starship Troopers is a good movie
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Josuke Higashikata posted:http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/09/26/berserk-and-the-band-of-the-hawk-interview-producer-talks-gameplay-frame-rate-violence-and-more/ I don't care about the other stuff but 8 characters is pretty meh, I think even Ken's Rage 1 had more than that
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Josuke Higashikata posted:8 playable characters are all we're getting in Berserk Musou, so no Skully. Actually kind of mad about wyald inclusion now from just uninterested before. Echoing the above, most of the other stuff is whatever but that bit blows really hard. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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I thought they had already revealed nine characters though. Guts, Griffith, Casca, Judeau, Skull Knight, Zodd, Wyald, Serpico, and Schierke. Are one of those not right?
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Unless I missed it, no Skull Knight. Wyald is a really odd inclusion there. Like, he's so minor, and they include characters like Schierke so they're covering a wide range, but still picked him over people before or after. I'm betting he's a fight and was made into a playable character from there or something.
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The saddest part of Starship Troopers is that it turned out lots of people had no idea it was a tongue in cheek look at war propaganda. I'm not even sure how they missed that with all of the patriotic garbage plastered onto the entire film reel from beginning to end.Josuke Higashikata posted:8 playable characters are all we're getting in Berserk Musou, so no Skully. Well now I'm glad the DS3 DLC1 releases next month. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5JCsO6eblw
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Terrible Opinions posted:I thought they had already revealed nine characters though. Yep, Skully hasn't had a gameplay demo thing like those others. I'm not Wyaldphobic like some, but in like of all that, gently caress him. If you can only have 8, my boy Skull Knight should be one of them.
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The first Musou in a series is usually just an experimental first stab anyway. Berserk Musou 2 is probably where this'll become an actual game.
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Inducing Berserk rage 2016: Defend Griffith, Wyald, or the hiatus.
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I am a big Berserk fan, but before I was a big Berserk fan, I was an even bigger fan of Susumu Hirasawa. What some people are not aware of is that Hirasawa started out in this awesome little elctro-pop-punk 4-piece band called P-MODEL. Some of you probably do know that, though. Forgive me if this has been posted before here (or if it is too off-topic) but I wanted to share Susumu Hirasawa, the badass composer behind Berserk's instantly recognizable score, in freaking 1979 singing at the front of ostensible a Kraftwerk-ish rock n roll group. This particular song and performance is just AWESOME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D05Rx6E_oSc Yes, that is Baby-Hirasawa singing. He must have been in his early twenties here. Amazing gnarled punk-ish guitar and synth work here.
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8 characters is really dumb, but I guess we'll have to wait and see what sort of DLC gets added. Also, I'm in the minority but I enjoyed the gently caress out of KR2. The one thing both FotNS games had going for them was the incredible buttrock soundtrack, I mean god drat was it satisfying as hell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0uPlQcwH4 Good soup! fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Awesome Welles posted:8 characters is really dumb, but I guess we'll have to wait and see what sort of DLC gets added. The same article says that their DLC plans are pretty light overall. Wouldn't expect a lot of characters added for DLC.
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