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JVNO posted:Please tell me this is not a sincere argument you've seen. Fresh from the top few comments on a CBC article as usual. (From one about BC LNG getting approved). Your peers and neighbours, friends! It's kind of hilarious/hosed up, since CBC closed any commenting to do with natives or immigrants, these garbage people just find a way to connect any other topic back to bitching about natives/immigrants. I honestly don't get why they don't show a bit of class as a national broadcaster and just shut the whole cesspool down.
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The government's assessment of the Petronas LNG plant, McKenna said, was "rigorous," based on both the "best available science and on indigenous traditional knowledge."
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Because they have a right to be heard! How dare you suggest that we impinge on their freedom of speech. Didn't you know Canada treats the freedom of speech as the holiest right of the people? Even foreigners are protected with this right, so don't even dare suggest that we ban their donations to BC political parties! Frreeeeeeeeedom of speeeeeeeeeeeeeesch
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Indigenous peoples have known for thousands of years how to care for our planet. The rest of us have a lot to learn and no time to waste.
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Lobok posted:Pitbull laws are always terrible because the law is so vague in describing which dogs (as if there's a perfect taxonomy anyway) and because the breeds that cause trouble change through the years anyway. I owned a purebred chocolate lab when I was young- thing was frequently mistaken for a pitbull because it was an English breed- fairly large with a wideset head. Breed bans are stupid and we've been down this road before. Before pitbulls it was handwringing over Dobermans and Rottweillers. Before that it was German Sheppards. What's even more insidious about the pitbull ban is how... ill-defined a pit bull is. If we're going to have breed laws at all, they should be based on actual statistics about the danger (both # of incidence and extent of damage) caused by various breeds and types of mutts. But that would mean little shithead Chihuahas and Shih-Tzu's might get banned. Though their potential to do damage is less than a pitbull, it's often these small breeds that are infamous for lovely temperaments and penchants for biting people. Of course people would lose their poo poo if their cute little doggy was the one targeted by the ban, though.
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Brannock posted:I thought the TTC was pretty good and very clean, granted I only spent a couple weeks in Toronto. Having visited NYC a few weeks ago for the first time I will never complain about the TTC being dirty again. Like the coverage is awesome but New York's subway is like 50% piss.
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Vicious great danes are routinely euthanized in order to keep the breed docile. Why don't we just make it mandatory to destroy the dog if an attack is reported regardless of breed?
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Having visited NYC a few weeks ago for the first time I will never complain about the TTC being dirty again. That was one horrifying thing about metro systems elsewhere in the world that I've been on. Sure other cities might have 30 more lines and a billion stations and trains, but Skytrain is so loving clean you could lick the floor in comparison (don't actually lick the floor on skytrain though).
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JVNO posted:Breed bans are stupid and we've been down this road before. Before pitbulls it was handwringing over Dobermans and Rottweillers. Before that it was German Sheppards. What's even more insidious about the pitbull ban is how... ill-defined a pit bull is. My strata in Burnaby has a ban on Presa Canario (I am assuming it came after that attack in San Fransico), and I couldn't even tell you what that breed even looks like. I doubt many other residents could either. It is pretty dumb.
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JVNO posted:If we're going to have breed laws at all, they should be based on actual statistics about the danger (both # of incidence and extent of damage) caused by various breeds and types of mutts. But that would mean little shithead Chihuahas and Shih-Tzu's might get banned. No, probably not. It's pit bulls and the people wailing about doggy racism are stupid as hell. http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2016.php http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php namaste faggots posted:Vicious great danes are routinely euthanized in order to keep the breed docile. Why don't we just make it mandatory to destroy the dog if an attack is reported regardless of breed? I like how people will nod their heads in full assent when you talk about how a particular breed juuuust has the instinct to track, hunt, herd, or dig, or whatever. But you say that pit bulls are extremely dangerous when they flip out and attack people because they're huge and muscular, no, we can't have that!
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namaste faggots posted:Vicious great danes are routinely euthanized in order to keep the breed docile. Why don't we just make it mandatory to destroy the dog if an attack is reported regardless of breed? Because dog owners are often terrible people who will bitch and moan about how it wasn't Little Poochy's fault.
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infernal machines posted:TTC politics I didn't know about any of this stuff, thanks for the writeup. Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Having visited NYC a few weeks ago for the first time I will never complain about the TTC being dirty again. Yeah, American transit is filthy and I was surprised when my friend commented about the TTC looking dirty that day and I looked around and all I could see was a light amount of dirt and gravel tracked in.
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JVNO posted:I owned a purebred chocolate lab when I was young- thing was frequently mistaken for a pitbull because it was an English breed- fairly large with a wideset head. How many tiny dogs kill people?
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Risky Bisquick posted:How many tiny dogs kill people? This JRT learned bad things from the pit bulls. quote:Jeff Mozer, the uncle of the baby that was killed by the Jack Russell, said the dog was a longtime family pet, trusted around his own baby and other babies in the family. "This is the most freakish accident. It was a dog you would never think would harm anyone at all. And my brother was just really proud of the baby, it was his first," he said.
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Just ban dog ownership. Give me a redeeming reason for why someone in the year 2016 would need a dog other than to have a fashion accessory?
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infernal machines posted:The TTC has plenty of problems, some institutional, some financial, pretty much all are political in one way or another. It has the highest farebox recovery in North America, meaning it gets relatively little government funding per fare dollar. It services the largest urban population in the country, with over 2.7 million rides per day. Yet almost every major service and infrastructure decision made in the last decade has been purely political. Service cuts to meet arbitrary budget restrictions, white-elephant high-order transit lines to low density areas, cancellation of shovel ready projects over grudges or to buy votes, imposed procurement guidelines prioritizing bids from "Canadian" companies that can't deliver, etc. The end result is a system that functions as best it can, but not particularly well, and of course acts as a lightning rod for outrage when it fails to meet expectations. What hasn't helped is the attitude that endured for decades that the TTC had absolutely nothing to learn from any other transit system on the planet because 1) the TTC's ideas are the best in the world and/or 2) Toronto is a special and unique snowflake and the solution that works in these cities could never work here because of reasons. I think that provincialism died when Giambrone left, but it keeps reappearing from time to time. (It literally took them years to figure out that replacement buses during subway closures should stop only at subway stations and not at every goddamn bus stop along the way.)
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OSI bean dip posted:Just ban dog ownership. Give me a redeeming reason for why someone in the year 2016 would need a dog other than to have a fashion accessory? Emotional companionship, service dogs, rural and farm citizens...
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Brannock posted:Emotional companionship, service dogs, rural and farm citizens... - Still not a valid reason - That is the one exception - We're talking about cities here, not dipshit Saskatchewan where people are thin-skinned
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Brannock posted:No, probably not. It's pit bulls and the people wailing about doggy racism are stupid as hell. I'll allow that pit bulls are far more likely to result in fatal attacks by virtue of their size- I can't argue with statistics either. I merely stated that if you considered both the penchant of the breed to bite, as well as the potential for damage, you'd see plenty of smaller breeds being banned too. And this is true- Chihuahas are frequently regarded as having the worst temperament and highest aggression. In fact, just a cursory search on google revealed multiple lists ranking them as the worst, including this cited list in which, of the top 5 breeds with the 'worst temperament', the top 3 were all small dogs (Chihuaha, Daschund, and Chow for those who don't click) . Full disclosure- Pit Bulls do show up on the list as well. So what do we use as a metric for determining which breeds to ban? Tendency to bite? Well there goes weiner dogs and chihuahas. Destructive capability? Then get ready to ban a lot of famously docile large family dogs like Labradors. Some combination of the two? That's fine, as long as the standard is applied evenly. Brannock posted:I like how people will nod their heads in full assent when you talk about how a particular breed juuuust has the instinct to track, hunt, herd, or dig, or whatever. But you say that pit bulls are extremely dangerous when they flip out and attack people because they're huge and muscular, no, we can't have that! Yeah I'm not going to deny that different breeds have different instincts- but I don't think it's uncontroversial to suggest its training and owner play a much bigger factor in determining the dog's fitness (at tracking, hunting, etc.) and personality traits. Maybe you can make a decent argument that the risk posed by a pit bull that does snap is so disproportionate and awful that owning such a breed is unjustifiable, but as I said before this would apply to all large dogs. Let's not pretend the breed alone will tell us everything about a dog's tendency to attack. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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OSI bean dip posted:- Still not a valid reason I don't have a dog in this race, but why do you think this isn't a valid reason?
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Are you asking why people like to have things they enjoy even if they don't serve a critical function or do so at maximum efficiency? Also if we're going to be getting government involved in dog breeds we should execute everyone currently in charge of the ever changing "breed standards" and dog shows and start breeding dogs for health and temperament instead of how hosed up we can make them look. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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OSI bean dip posted:Just ban dog ownership. Give me a redeeming reason for why someone in the year 2016 would need a dog other than to have a fashion accessory? Because the companionship a properly cared for dog offers is more desirable than the casual disregard for human life masked by half-assed concern trolling offered by your peers
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tagesschau posted:What hasn't helped is the attitude that endured for decades that the TTC had absolutely nothing to learn from any other transit system on the planet because 1) the TTC's ideas are the best in the world and/or 2) Toronto is a special and unique snowflake and the solution that works in these cities could never work here because of reasons. I think that provincialism died when Giambrone left, but it keeps reappearing from time to time. (It literally took them years to figure out that replacement buses during subway closures should stop only at subway stations and not at every goddamn bus stop along the way.) Don't get me wrong, they still have serious organizational and operational issues, my point was that on top of those, they have the deck stacked against them by the city and the province too. Their complete inability to maintain advertised headways on any route on the system and the combination of NIH syndrome and a massive reluctance to modernize signal and fare infrastructure aren't doing them any favours either. But given the challenges the system faces it's surprising it is as effective as it is. There are many things the TTC can do to improve, but the common mantra of blaming fare collectors for high operating costs, blaming lazy workers for maintenance failures on hardware that's been running in Canadian weather for 30+ years, and blaming management for project slippage when every utility in the city piggy backs on their infrastructure builds, is unfair.
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we need to ban back yard pools and trampolines, think of the children
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You can't put a price on friendship  (it's about 1k a year conservatively for mans best friend)
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Ban all enjoyment, full communism now.
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if the progressives are so worried about Canada's carbon footprint then why does it insist on bringing in more dogs who will use more resources and create more carbon emissions?
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Far be it from me to defend our mediocre country but it doesn't take a genius to read the last few pages of this thread and then realize that most of you guys would be utterly miserable wherever you went.
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Helsing posted:Far be it from me to defend our mediocre country but it doesn't take a genius to read the last few pages of this thread and then realize that most of you guys would be utterly miserable wherever you went. It's one of the main reasons I consistently read this thread. It's full of some of the most self loathing, miserable, and misanthropic goons on these fine forums 
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Helsing posted:Far be it from me to defend our mediocre country but it doesn't take a genius to read the last few pages of this thread and then realize that most of you guys would be utterly miserable wherever you went. CanPol summed up in one sentence.
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http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/pet-hates-v22n5quote:Performing these calculations for domesticated animals yields some shocking results. For example, it is calculated that an average Alsatian requires 0.36 gha of land. According to the New Scientist article "How Green Is Your Pet?", that is a larger ecological footprint than an average household diesel car. Cat-lovers are hardly off the hook, with an indoor feline clocking in at 0.15 gha. Six cats create equal demand on the earth to one Indian human: 0.9 gha. If you need a dog or cat to fill the hole that is in your life, just buy a new car.
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a fleshy snood posted:Seriously though all outdoor cats should be executed on sight <3 cats, my neighbours cat solved my bird problem for me. 20 minutes in the nest and the little birds stopped waking up my kids this spring. All I had to do was dump the nest 
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Pitbulls are good at solving loud annoying unsupervised children problems, and outdoor cat problems. Cougars take care of the dogs. I'm not sure what to do about the cougars though.
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THC posted:Ban human breeding imo Only certain breeds prone to violence though!
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