|
Phi230 posted:All 3 or whatever of the kids cartoons that air on a network made for children are indeed media intended for children So are the movies
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 17:51
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 10:43 |
|
|
Red posted:Alec Guinness's body language in his hut in ANH was either spot on or a huge coincidence. I would like to imagine he was told by Lucas, "You're really uncomfortable with telling Luke about Darth Vader and his father. Maybe pause before mentioning his dad or something, like you're hesitating for some reason." And that performance then informs and is informed by the prequels.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 17:53
|
|
|
Red posted:Is the Clone Wars flick really a film, or 5 episodes mashed together? 4 episodes. The actual story of why those particular episodes are a film is kinda cringeworthy. Lucas stopped in to the offices where the Clone Wars team was prepping this cool new show and basically said "We should have a theatrical release". And just like that, Filoni and crew have to scramble to find a story arc long enough to support a theatrical run time and smush episodes together to make it happen. I honestly think Clone Wars would have been better received overall without the film. The animation style and technique was still in its early stages; later seasons look SO much better than earlier ones.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 17:56
|
|
|
Red posted:Alec Guinness's body language in his hut in ANH was either spot on or a huge coincidence. I would like to imagine he was told by Lucas, "You're really uncomfortable with telling Luke about Darth Vader and his father. Maybe pause before mentioning his dad or something, like you're hesitating for some reason." I'm sure it was something along those lines, plus the fact that Guinness was such an amazing actor that he probably would have been looking to add nuance to any performance. He may have read the script and said to himself, "this information will lead to the complete destruction of Luke's life as he knows it, and things will never be the same for him once I tell him, so maybe my character would feel conflicted about it."
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 17:58
|
|
|
Red posted:Episode IV's points are are simple and basic.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 18:01
|
|
|
Phi230 posted:Who says Im pretending. I would argue that kids seeing strong female characters in their media is a good and important thing. But please do go on about you being such a mature adult who will never watch dumb cartoons for dumb babies.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 18:11
|
|
|
I'm sure people can be forgiven for not caring about the Star Wars cartoon movie or cartoon.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 18:13
|
|
|
Basebf555 posted:I'm sure it was something along those lines, plus the fact that Guinness was such an amazing actor that he probably would have been looking to add nuance to any performance. He may have read the script and said to himself, "this information will lead to the complete destruction of Luke's life as he knows it, and things will never be the same for him once I tell him, so maybe my character would feel conflicted about it." That is a hell of a point I hadn't considered. Schwarzwald posted:After saying how Episode IV's points are simplistic and basic you then failed to list any of them. Actually, I was responding to his bullet points, kind of.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 18:26
|
|
|
computer parts posted:If anything ROTJ contradicts the rest of the OT more than the PT ever does. I wouldn't exactly call this a contradiction (although it is somewhat stupid). THAT SAID, the telepathy between Leia and Luke at the end of TESB does sort of parallel the very clearly familial communication between Luke and Vader. So it's not completely out of left field. Edit: For some reason I thought I was replying to something from the final page of the thread when in fact I was like 3 behind, so forgive me for dredging up the past.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:04
|
|
|
Equeen posted:I would argue that kids seeing strong female characters in their media is a good and important thing. But please do go on about you being such a mature adult who will never watch dumb cartoons for dumb babies. Dude come on. As an adult you should not be consuming media explicitly intended for kids, and kids alone Star Wars films have the intent of broad appeal. Its for everyone. If they intended the cartoons to be the same, they wouldnt be on children's tv networks
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:16
|
|
|
Phi230 posted:Dude come on. As an adult you should not be consuming media explicitly intended for kids, and kids alone What would you say about an adult who argues for many hours straight on an internet forum about Star Wars?
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:17
|
|
|
Barudak posted:and it has the absolute most dreadful start of any of the films in the series. I'll come right out and say it: you're loving crazy.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:23
|
|
|
Basebf555 posted:What would you say about an adult who argues for many hours straight on an internet forum about Star Wars? I have many things I should be doing but the shitposting cannot stop It may be an irrational waste of time but fighting you prequel heathens is a hill I will always choose to die on (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:23
|
|
|
Phi230 posted:Im saying 2+2=4 gently caress off with your Republican crap, ULSTER SAYS NO
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:29
|
|
|
Phi230 posted:I have many things I should be doing but the shitposting cannot stop Have you considered the possibility that the prequels are great? They're pretty great.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:39
|
|
|
Phi230 posted:Dude come on. As an adult you should not be consuming media explicitly intended for kids, and kids alone Star Wars, including the cartoons, is for everyone.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:44
|
|
|
homullus posted:Have you considered the possibility that the prequels are great? They're pretty great. "EHHHHHHHHHH" - Watto
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 19:45
|
|
|
Go over into the animation thread and tell people to stop watching children's cartoons. You'll have about as much success. (Really the only bad consequence I've seen from adults watching children's shows is the whole Brony thing, which is less about the show itself and more the Geek Social Fallacies in action.)
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 20:02
|
|
|
Phi230 posted:Dude come on. As an adult you should not be consuming media explicitly intended for kids, and kids alone A show intended for kids and only kids: 
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 20:04
|
|
|
SICKKKKKKKK cool mmmmm-multi kill spinning decapitations are absolutely for cool teens who like ninja things and listening to Eminem and watching ISIS videos. Teens are children.Phi230 posted:No they are not. I dont care how many times you shout "canon" at me they are kids shows for babies. Phi230 posted:There are things called mandatory and persuasive authority.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 20:28
|
|
|
Two things: mandatory and persuasive authority are irrelevant because we are discussing Star Wars and not a legal problem AND you're complaining about people watching kids cartoons in a Star Wars thread on an internet forum that costs $10 to register an account after whining a whole bunch about how a trilogy of popular movies ruined your life, stop a dumb baby hypocrite
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 20:47
|
|
|
Cardboard Box A posted:SICKKKKKKKK cool mmmmm-multi kill spinning decapitations are absolutely for cool teens who like ninja things and listening to Eminem and watching ISIS videos. Teens are children. How about when Clone Wars went full Vietnam: https://fat.gfycat.com/DearestUnfoldedBass.webm Just because it's a medium for kids doesn't mean it can't explore more mature tones or themes. And narrative elements like the emotional arc of Ahsoka's character spanning across several seasons of shows culminating into a duel with her former master goes beyond what any old regular Saturday morning cartoon offers imo. Even "kids shows" these days can be part of this current golden age of television.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 20:48
|
|
|
One of the worst things about the prequels was 'ALL JEDI, ALL THE TIME'. Like, zero break from Jedi stuff. I mean, I guess I thought Han Solo's everyman appeal to connect to the audience was clear, but maybe not.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 20:50
|
|
|
Cardboard Box A posted:SICKKKKKKKK cool mmmmm-multi kill spinning decapitations are absolutely for cool teens who like ninja things and listening to Eminem and watching ISIS videos. Teens are children. I'm amazed you had the self-control to not say "edgy".
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 20:54
|
|
|
Red posted:One of the worst things about the prequels was 'ALL JEDI, ALL THE TIME'. Like, zero break from Jedi stuff. I mean, I guess I thought Han Solo's everyman appeal to connect to the audience was clear, but maybe not. More than just "all Jedi," it's "all aristocracy, all the time." Most of the major characters, and especially those aligned with the Republic, have some sort of title or faux title. Even Jar Jar, the pariah, and Anakin, the slave, are welcomed into the fold after they prove their value to the establishment. The exceptions are the characters aligned with the Trade Federation and the Seperatists, who are largely business people who's power is in their material wealth and not in any perceived inherent nobility. In that sense, the prequel conflict can be framed as a clash between the landed gentry and the merchant class. Contrast this with the original trilogy, where instead of having a slave being uplifted into the ruling class, we have a princess who's first action as a free woman is to find the nearest cesspool and dive in.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 22:52
|
|
|
Schwarzwald posted:More than just "all Jedi," it's "all aristocracy, all the time." Most of the major characters, and especially those aligned with the Republic, have some sort of title or faux title. Even Jar Jar, the pariah, and Anakin, the slave, are welcomed into the fold after they prove their value to the establishment. The exceptions are the characters aligned with the Trade Federation and the Seperatists, who are largely business people who's power is in their material wealth and not in any perceived inherent nobility. In that sense, the prequel conflict can be framed as a clash between the landed gentry and the merchant class. Subtext is neat, but only works well if the story and dialogue on top are genuine and intriguing.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 23:04
|
|
|
Red posted:Subtext is neat, but only works well if the story and dialogue on top are genuine and intriguing. Story and dialogue have nothing to do with the prequels being all Jedi all the time.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 23:07
|
|
|
Schwarzwald posted:More than just "all Jedi," it's "all aristocracy, all the time." Most of the major characters, and especially those aligned with the Republic, have some sort of title or faux title. Even Jar Jar, the pariah, and Anakin, the slave, are welcomed into the fold after they prove their value to the establishment. The exceptions are the characters aligned with the Trade Federation and the Seperatists, who are largely business people who's power is in their material wealth and not in any perceived inherent nobility. In that sense, the prequel conflict can be framed as a clash between the landed gentry and the merchant class. It's "all aristocracy, all the time," in a series of films in which the aristocrats send millions of slaves to their deaths in a pointless war and transform the Republic into a fascist state.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 23:35
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCvM1gu0J3c
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 23:48
|
|
|
Zoran posted:It's "all aristocracy, all the time," in a series of films in which the aristocrats send millions of slaves to their deaths in a pointless war and transform the Republic into a fascist state. Yes, exactly. One of Palpatine's insights that allows him to take control of the Republic is that for all it's claims of moral superiority, the aristocrats of the republic are only too happy to throw absolutely everyone else under the bus to serve their own self interests. This includes the Seperatists, the Clone Troopers, the Jedi, and Senators Amidala and Organa. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Sep 29, 2016 |
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2016 23:50
|
|
|
God I wish there was a Moby Dick prequel all about Starbuck's indiscretions, Queequeg's incredible adventures before shacking up with the Pequod, and the true story of Ahab's pitiful and sympathetic discharge from the Navy due to his love affair with another man which is ultimately the source of his true "madness" with the whale as a cover. It would totally invert all of the assumptions that Melville sets up in Moby Dick against the wishes of his most ardent originalist fanbase.
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:06
|
|
|
There's nothing more engaging to look at than an ordinary looking bearded white guy standing in front of an empty backdrop, speaking monotonously about whatever. I hate what youtube's done to "documentary-style" filmmaking.
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:10
|
|
|
Schwarzwald posted:Story and dialogue have nothing to do with the prequels being all Jedi all the time. But they have everything to do with how bad the films are.
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:28
|
|
|
Red posted:But they have everything to do with how bad the films are. What is wrong with the story? In the prequels, in which we knew in advance the Republic would fall and the Jedi Knights would be wiped out, both of those things happen.
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:43
|
|
|
Red posted:But they have everything to do with how bad the films are. Can you expand on this?
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:45
|
|
|
Well duh everyone knows they are bad. It's consensus !
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:44
|
|
|
I hate the way the Ewok's triumph undermines the terror that Stormtroopers used to elicit before I saw ROTJ and realized they were feckless idiots. Lucas ruined ANH and ESB for me.
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:50
|
|
|
I just can't understand how anyone can enjoy spending their viewing time watching that loving take on Anakin. It may not be an accident that he's an arrogant, creepy, petulant abusic gently caress, but it doesn't make for enjoyable screen time, and it certainly doesn't make for a compelling tragedy when he falls from grace. He starts out a terrible shithead and he ends up a shithead. After Ep1, you don't see him be anything other than a sulky little pissbaby for a moment. "Theres still good in him" says Luke? Motherfucker, that's news to me, I never saw it in the first place. I don't hate everything about the prequels. There are some fun ideas scattered around, but my god, every time that rear end in a top hat is on screen it just bleeds the movie dry, particularly, by god, the romance that shits all over the middle of ep2.
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:56
|
|
|
Serf posted:Can you expand on this? Am I really going to change your mind? I flat out don't enjoy them. They're difficult to watch, especially scenes involving Jar Jar or "romance". My biggest gripe is that the films just show us character types that move from point A to point B. Characters don't struggle with emotion, or grow across an arc. At no point did I feel tension, or worry for the characters' fate. I just had to make it through the films.
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 10:43 |
|
|
The thing about Anakin in AOTC is that he is a whiny pissbaby, but he's the most annoying kind of whiny pissbaby, because his complaints about his mentors are usually right.Red posted:Characters don't struggle with emotion, or grow across an arc Uh
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2016 00:59
|
|