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Lurdiak posted:Iron Man really doesn't have a lot of other notable villains. It's Iron Monger, Mandarin, and then it's people no one's ever heard of. You can try to argue Modok is an Iron Man villain but he really isn't. I heard of Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man just from collecting Marvel trading cards in 5th grade.
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gently caress it, let's get Fing Fang Foom as the next big bad
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Tony's biggest enemies are democracy and himself So time to introduce long lost socialist freedom fighter brother site fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 23:50
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purple death ray posted:I heard of Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man just from collecting Marvel trading cards in 5th grade. Both of those are really just lamer versions of Iron Monger.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:52
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I like modern Crimson Dynamo just being Russian Iron Man and them kinda being buds. And Man-Ape isn't as promlematic if you just make him M'Baku, Warlord of the White Gorilla tribe that opposes the Wakandans of the Black Panther Tribe.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:58
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Jonny_Rocket posted:gently caress it, let's get Fing Fang Foom as the next big bad This idea I'm behind. But only if he still inexplicably wears pants.
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Sep 29, 2016 00:00
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BrianWilly posted:Is "Wacky Magic/Alien Rings Guy" seriously such a big draw that inspires such devotion from anyone? I just don't understand why people give such a poo poo about this one specific C-list villain -- "C-list" being a generous moniker, here -- that taking the piss at him is such a huge loving contention with some viewers. The appeal to me was that Iron Man is so deeply rooted in the science and technology. Everything he's faced has been something that he can dissect with logic, so facing someone that's just "BOOM! MAGIC, BITCH!" and Tony can't look at it under a microscope is an interesting concept and I would want to see a story told that shows how he handles that challenge. But I do admit, with Doctor Strange bringing magic into the MCU, Mandarin might not be needed for such a story, and with them getting more and more into space poo poo, that story might not even make sense at this point. Once they take down an alien god, the idea of Tony being perplexed by magic isn't gonna make much sense.
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Sep 29, 2016 00:00
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:it's that it's so actively dishonest it furthers an actively toxic stereotype that PTSD is something that you can just think your way through if you're a rich billionaire like Tony Stark. It's a bad, harmful message it sends, not that it's not an honest one. Tony hasn't gotten rid of his PTSD 
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Sep 29, 2016 00:02
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I just want to see someone land a one inch punch on Tony Stark on the big screen is that so much to ask for
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Sep 29, 2016 00:03
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I thought the Mandarin's magic was a sham and he was just using really powerful alien artifacts.
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Sep 29, 2016 00:02
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I dunno, Tony dealt with Malekith and the Dark Elves pretty well. Though maybe a race that is harmed by iron shouldn't pick fights with a guy literally called Iron Man?
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Sep 29, 2016 00:03
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BrianWilly posted:Is "Wacky Magic/Alien Rings Guy" seriously such a big draw that inspires such devotion from anyone? I just don't understand why people give such a poo poo about this one specific C-list villain -- "C-list" being a generous moniker, here -- that taking the piss at him is such a huge loving contention with some viewers. Iron Man is a C list hero.
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Sep 29, 2016 00:03
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BrianWilly posted:Is "Wacky Magic/Alien Rings Guy" seriously such a big draw that inspires such devotion from anyone? I just don't understand why people give such a poo poo about this one specific C-list villain -- "C-list" being a generous moniker, here -- that taking the piss at him is such a huge loving contention with some viewers. I never gave a loving poo poo about The Mandarin beyond "woah that dude has racist roots" but considering the level of character assassination they did to Patsy Walker in JJ and how irked that still makes me, I totally loving get it. In the abstract, I understand how frustrating it can be to take a character that you think is cool or threatening and turning him into a metatextual joke when translated to the big screen, I just think that - of the very few things that IM3 does well - making him a commentary on how inherent attitudes towards Othered people work and rich white guy manipulation of public perception of xenophobia is a pretty good idea.
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Sep 29, 2016 00:11
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I want Tony to fight Dr. Doom, he always seemed like the perfect opposite of iron man to me.
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Sep 29, 2016 00:29
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Lurdiak posted:Both of those are really just lamer versions of Iron Monger. Also, Ivan Vaanko from IM2 effectively was Crimson Dynamo.
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Sep 29, 2016 00:34
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Lurdiak posted:Both of those are really just lamer versions of Iron Monger. So iron monger?
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Sep 29, 2016 01:03
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Jonny_Rocket posted:gently caress it, let's get Fing Fang Foom as the next big bad X-O posted:This idea I'm behind. But only if he still inexplicably wears pants. Shane Black said that Killian was a mashup of the Mandarin and Fing Fang Foom.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:10
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Rhyno posted:Shane Black said that Killian was a mashup of the Mandarin and Fing Fang Foom. Well, I never wanted to say this about Shane Black before and hope I never have to again, but he's stupid.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:19
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Isn't.....isn't fin fang foom a dragon
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Sep 29, 2016 01:20
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He has a dragon tattoo, breathes fire, and most importantly wears pants. I don't know, seems open and shut.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:21
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If we ever need Iron Man villains again, I liked Spymaster, Ghost, and the Controller. Controller especially with his power being so creepy.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:26
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The great thing about Iron Man is you can use any villain as its not like anyone cares about any of em.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:29
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Aphrodite posted:He has a dragon tattoo, breathes fire, and most importantly wears pants. But Fing Fang Foom should be a giant dragon. I don't care if it's ridiculous - it would be wonderful to see on screen. I'm a huge fan of Godzilla and other kaiju films so I'm a sucker for that stuff. Realism be damned
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Sep 29, 2016 01:43
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Jamesman posted:The appeal to me was that Iron Man is so deeply rooted in the science and technology. Everything he's faced has been something that he can dissect with logic, so facing someone that's just "BOOM! MAGIC, BITCH!" and Tony can't look at it under a microscope is an interesting concept and I would want to see a story told that shows how he handles that challenge. If that's what you want, why are you arguing so hard for the villain powered by explicitly non-magical alien technology? I'd understand if you didn't know that except that a) the comics make a point of mentioning it basically every time Mandarin appears, and b) I'm like the fifth person to mention it in the last two pages. You are reading people's posts before you respond to them, right? Lick! The! Whisk! posted:considering the level of character assassination they did to Patsy Walker in JJ and how irked that still makes me, I totally loving get it. It irks you so much that you keep bringing it up, even in conversations about completely unrelated movies, long after it's been made clear that you're the only one who cares.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:49
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CharlestheHammer posted:The great thing about Iron Man is you can use any villain as its not like anyone cares about any of em. Except when you make them less racist.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:54
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Aphrodite posted:He has a dragon tattoo, breathes fire, and most importantly wears pants. I could only accept this if he injected himself with a vial that said FN-FG-FM, or better yet, had "bing bang boom" as a catchphrase and when he tries to say it in the climax he burps up fire at the same time.
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Sep 29, 2016 01:55
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Roth posted:I thought the Mandarin's magic was a sham and he was just using really powerful alien artifacts. Mandarin has never been about magic. His very first appearance was him hanging out in a crashed alien spaceship talking about how he made his rings out of pieces of the ship.
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Sep 29, 2016 02:22
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The thing about the Iron Man films is that every single one is about Tony Stark's personal fuckups. (IM2 is debatable but only because they sidestepped Tony's dad being a poo poo when it was obviously what they were leading to.) The villain they use only matters in how it reflects upon Tony Stark. "Wouldn't it be cool to see Iron Man fight magic ring man?" kind of ignores that it would be cool if they had something to say about it. IM3 did even though it didn't use the 'actual' Magic RIng Man. You could possibly have done something with The Mandarin having alien tech and Tony's big ol' personal freakout about the fact aliens exist and he's not capable of dealing with that but.. eh. You're kinda getting the same story as IM3 but more sanitized.
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Sep 29, 2016 02:32
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I'm okay with a Fin Fang Foom movie as long as he is a white dragon and called that as a clear satire of racist Americans.
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Sep 29, 2016 03:04
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That would kind of own.
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Sep 29, 2016 03:09
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If Marvel Studios had the balls to make this dude the bad guy of the Black Panther movie I would be over the moon.
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Sep 29, 2016 03:14
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muscles like this? posted:Mandarin has never been about magic. His very first appearance was him hanging out in a crashed alien spaceship talking about how he made his rings out of pieces of the ship. And the MCU has already done that "science and magic being the same thing to the uneducated" thing with Asgard Totally not magic, just weird tech. Also magic sometimes
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Sep 29, 2016 10:43
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Is Hate Monger the old Cap villain who originally was pretty much just a guy in a Klan hood?
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Sep 29, 2016 12:54
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FlamingLiberal posted:Is Hate Monger the old Cap villain who originally was pretty much just a guy in a Klan hood? He was a Fantastic Four villain, and the guy in the (purple!) Klan hood was actually Adolf Hitler.
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Sep 29, 2016 12:59
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Wheat Loaf posted:He was a Fantastic Four villain, and the guy in the (purple!) Klan hood was actually Adolf Hitler. So, yeah, an old Cap villain. 
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Sep 29, 2016 13:01
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BrianWilly posted:Is "Wacky Magic/Alien Rings Guy" seriously such a big draw that inspires such devotion from anyone? I just don't understand why people give such a poo poo about this one specific C-list villain -- "C-list" being a generous moniker, here -- that taking the piss at him is such a huge loving contention with some viewers. It's superhero comics, every C-list character has die hard fans
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Sep 29, 2016 14:25
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Iron man should fight a druid. Like, get lost in the woods and a high level shape shifting druid attacks him.
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Sep 29, 2016 14:27
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greatn posted:Iron man should fight a druid. Like, get lost in the woods and a high level shape shifting druid attacks him. Iron Man should fight Doctor Druid while trying to wire a home entertainment system.
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Sep 29, 2016 14:34
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...Aaaand Black Panther just cast Man-Ape. We said it too many times I guess. He's being played by Winston Duke, who hasn't done a whole lot. People might know him as Dominic on Person of Interest though.
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greatn posted:Iron man should fight a druid. Like, get lost in the woods and a high level shape shifting druid attacks him. Jarvis, send me the mark 902 so I can teach David Blaine here some new tricks 
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