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A Pale Horse posted:Its better to be free and poor than rich and oppressed, at least in my eyes. Maybe, but that's a moot point. There's no system where the poor are free and the rich are oppressed.
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A Pale Horse posted:That may well be, but anarchy is not a real political system any more than atheism is a religion. It's simply not workable except as a gently caress the man rebellion by extremists and more often gently caress you dad teenagers (at least the modern version of it). I'm not saying the left-right axis is completely irrelevant, just that I don't understand the hatred liberalism gets from the LGBT community when its what's made any sort of progress of our rights possible. I'll admit, I'm fairly well off now, but I haven't always been and all the money in the world won't alleviate a lack of freedom to live as who you really are. Its better to be free and poor than rich and oppressed, at least in my eyes. I know those aren't exactly the options right now and unchecked liberalism in the form of globalization is exploitative, but from a purely selfish perspective, its good for our community. And capitalism isn't all bad. The corporations have become so powerful that they can now exert force rivaling that of government which can be beneficial for gay people. Look at the blowback RFAs in Indiana and Mississippi have gotten, not to mention the tornado of poo poo and piss that's been raised around Pat McCrory over HB2 and will likely lead to him being blown out of office like a discarded fast food wrapper come November. Those are mostly corporations exerting that pressure, and raising that shitstorm. Maybe not for altruistic reasons, but results matter more than motive in my opinion. I really don't want to poo poo up this thread further by turning it into communism chat but trying to reduce the entire political spectrum to "freedom vs oppression" is going to be either extraordinarily difficult or extraordinarily wrong. All forms of social organization oppress people, the difference is in who they oppress and for what reason.
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"one who actually needs to see a doctor more than they need to get loving married is really holding their breath." Just wanted to comment on this. when I thought my parents would give me hell if I left the closet, I was willing to give up plenty of economic advantages, including some sweet sweet health insurance, to be openly out. I'm not the only one. I've met homeless LGBT youth who tell me, unprompted, that they prefer their lives now to when they had a roof over their heads courtesy of homophobic/biphobic/transphobic family. I've of course heard the opposite, but hearing that at all disproves this "marriage and culture are unimportant compared to the big stuff" idea. Of course economic issues are important, down with capitalism, fix poverty and inequality, etc. Still, things like "I can get married" are important, separate from economic issues, and sometimes (though rarely) more important than economic issues.
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http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2016/09/26/brandis-to-meet-with-dreyfus-over-plebiscite.html http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/09/27/australia-could-face-five-year-delay-on-same-sex-marriage-attorney-general-warns/ quote:The proposed gay marriage plebiscite looks unlikely to go ahead after Labor confirmed it will not support the enabling legislation in its current form. quote:The country’s PM Malcolm Turnbull is trying to avoid a rift with his own ultra-conservative MPs by bringing forward plans to take same-sex marriage to the public in a non-binding plebiscite, instead of settling the matter in Parliament. Things aren't looking so good for marriage equality in Australia, in spite of popular support from the public.
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Google, which throws up a rainbow flags and pro-LGBT symbols at any possible chance, is happy to invite rabidly anti-LGBT activists to their events who want gays jailed at best. http://qz.com/793107/google-is-hosting-kenyas-most-notorious-anti-lgbt-official-ezekiel-mutua-at-a-conference-in-california/ https://twitter.com/masaku_/status/780386886825218049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw This just goes to show that no matter how pro-gay a corporation appears in most cases they'll throw that aside if they can make a profit.
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MaxxBot posted:Google, which throws up a rainbow flags and pro-LGBT symbols at any possible chance, is happy to invite rabidly anti-LGBT activists to their events who want gays jailed at best. Er... that's kinda misrepresenting things, isn't it? It's a conference for policymakers in the field of online safety, and he's the arbiter of what media makes it into Kenya, so his job is directly relevant to it. They're not exactly throwing him a party.
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Mutua claims to have a partnership with Google to censor content. http://www.hivisasa.com/nakuru/news/97852 This guy is so notoriously homophobic that he is mocked in Kenya, which is very far from being a country accepting of gays, the guy is an absolute insane zealot. I don't see why Google would invite someone like this here for any reason.
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MaxxBot posted:Mutua claims to have a partnership with Google to censor content. Because he's part of exactly who the conference is meant to be about. Specifically it's about Africa in general, and the three countries of Nigeria, Kenya, and South Africa as particular targets. Since he's in charge of those sorts of things in Kenya...
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Two Italian nuns fell in love three years ago and have taken advantage of Italy's new civil union legislation. No this isn't the start of a porno, I promise. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/09/29/lesbian-nuns-fall-in-love-renounce-vows-and-get-married/
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Roy moore is gettling a slap on the wrist
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:Roy moore is gettling a slap on the wrist I wouldn't call being removed from the bench a slap on the wrist. What would you have preferred?
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Does this mean they're going to elect Roy Moore as the governor now?
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:Roy moore is gettling a slap on the wrist So instead of merely punishing Moore as harshly as possible under the law, the Court of the Judiciary should have acted illegally to score points with mouth-foaming zealots who wouldn't recognize the rule of law if it walked up to them and gave them marriage equality? And the Horseshoe award goes to...
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Sep 30, 2016 17:52
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Roy Moore's already been suspended from the bench before, in 2003 for something over the ten commandments. He still ended up back in a powerful judgeship. You can't blame people for feeling like doing a simple suspension again is just a slap on the wrist when he'll be allowed back into power after repeatedly defying federal rulings.
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Moore is effectively done. He's suspended for the remainder of his term and can't seek another term in 2018 because he'll be too old. Its not the comeuppance he deserves maybe, but he can't do any more harm at least.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:I wouldn't call being removed from the bench a slap on the wrist. A guillotine would be nice.
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The Shortest Path posted:A guillotine would be nice. Oy vey always with the guillotine! Can't you come up with a new idea? !
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The Shortest Path posted:A guillotine would be nice. 
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RagnarokAngel posted:Oy vey always with the guillotine! Can't you come up with a new idea? ! Do you know how time consuming it is to draw and quarter someone?
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RagnarokAngel posted:Oy vey always with the guillotine! Can't you come up with a new idea? ! I mean, you'd expect at the very least a Dante-style ironic punishment, like Mandatory Gay Marriage.
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You could always go for circles of fraud ironic punishment, which isn't really very ironic. "Being hit with sticks for all eternity by a demon in a magistrate's wig."
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OwlFancier posted:You could always go for circles of fraud ironic punishment, which isn't really very ironic.
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https://twitter.com/wpjenna/status/783019928421105664 (spoilers: it's bad)
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But the supposedly-liberal Trump voters told me Trump was socially liberal! They wouldn't lie, would they? 
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iospace posted:https://twitter.com/wpjenna/status/783019928421105664 This shouldn't surprise you, his VP has been an avid conversion therapy advocate. Mike Pence For Congress 2000 posted:• Congress should oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status with heterosexual marriage. Far as I'm aware, he's never backed down on most of this.
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Liquid Communism posted:This shouldn't surprise you, his VP has been an avid conversion therapy advocate. So basically yeah, anyone playing that "T-they're equally as bad though!" card for not voting by this point is strongly encouraged to goooooo gently caress yourself.
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"• (3) bringing an end to assigning women to combat support units, combatant ships and pilot billets that ultimately result in women becoming involved in combat. While women have always made an important contribution to national security, we must resist liberal impulse to use the military to advance the interest of women in civilian culture at the expense of military readiness and effectiveness. America must not become the only nation in the world to use women in combat positions." This is like, comically untrue and I don't think it was true in 2000 either.
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RagnarokAngel posted:This is like, comically untrue and I don't think it was true in 2000 either. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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Well even using explicit combat positions, the IDF has had women in equal roles as men (including Israel' mandatory military service) since 2000, though similarly they had been near the front since the beginning. It also cannot be the only one, but I admit it's a subject I'm not very informed on.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Well even using explicit combat positions, the IDF has had women in equal roles as men (including Israel' mandatory military service) since 2000, though similarly they had been near the front since the beginning. And Russia famously had all-women units in combat roles in WW2, like the Night Witches.
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Toplowtech posted:2000 is generous, i am pretty a few "cantinieres/vivandieres" (specialized infantry troop cooks, one of the rare job beside nurses allowed to women at that time, normally reserved to the wifes of the unit's officers) in the French army actually took part in combat during the 19th century. I am also pretty sure both side of the US during the civil war had similar "near the front" female units cook. Bitching about women in the army is like bitching about the telegraphs, how behind your time are you? Well Harriet Tubman was given a rifle when she led an expedition into the confederacy to free slaves. And during the French Revolution women fought in the citizens units during the early years of the fighting. The Communards had a female battalion led by Louise Michel. The Soviet Union had female combat units, as did the Yugoslav partisans, had over 200,000 Partizanke, and mixed units weren't uncommon. Then there's female militia members in the Spanish civil war. And the Sandinista's who 30% of its military wing were female and had a few female commanders. And that's just the examples of the top of my head. There's actually quite a few more, though, I remember a mother and sister who were renowned for marksmanship in the Mexican revolution, and Irish nationalists are quick to defend the progressive character of their insurrection by pointing out how many women took part in the street fighting. Bascially yes, that statement is comically out of date, there have been women fighting in battles since before the USA was founded.
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Next time someone says women are useless in combat, introduce them to Lyudmila Pavlichenko. Soviet sniper on the Eastern Front. 309 confirmed kills. One of the deadliest and most effective women in recorded history. With Elenaor Roosevelt's help, also one of the strongest agitators to get the US into the European theater. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Toplowtech posted:2000 is generous, i am pretty a few "cantinieres/vivandieres" (specialized infantry troop cooks, one of the rare job beside nurses allowed to women at that time, normally reserved to the wifes of the unit's officers) in the French army actually took part in combat during the 19th century. I am also pretty sure both side of the US during the civil war had similar "near the front" female units cook. Bitching about women in the army is like bitching about the telegraphs, how behind your time are you? And that goes back even further. Even back in the early modern period (30 Years' War, for example), it was actually pretty common to see women on the battlements when defending their city in a siege. Hell, there were even recorded instances of women disguising themselves as men to work as soldiers, and finding a kind of acceptance among their peers. Women as a nominal part of a military's fighting force may be fairly new, but women taking part in combat is about as old as the very concept of warfare.
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To put things on a more positive note, it's National Coming Out day. Goons please text, message, or hug your LGBT friends because holy poo poo we need it.
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Happy coming out day, folks. I'm a flaming homosexual, and so can you! 
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Quorum posted:Happy coming out day, folks. I'm a flaming homosexual, and so can you! Same, except lightly smoldering bisexual. 
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As many of you are aware there are a number of court cases in progress over whether or not Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which contains non-discrimination protections) applies to LGBT people. In July the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against a woman trying to make a claim for sexual orientation discrimination under Title VII. Now the Court has agreed to hear it en banc so that ruling will probably be overturned, which is good news. https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/full-federal-appeals-court-to-reconsider-case-on-gay-protect?utm_term=.njr4KPBxZ#.ee1QNW1xV
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Quorum posted:Happy coming out day, folks. I'm a flaming homosexual, and so can you! i'm such a lesbian that everybody at the local u-haul dealership knows me as soon as i walk in
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Does it count as closeted if you just let people assume you're straight because once they make that assumption they feel uncomfortable asking you to clarify things that might contradict it?
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[url][/url]quote:Under the French law, transgender people will no longer have to provide proof of medical treatment when changing their gender; emancipated minors will be allowed to officially change their gender, as well. France is moving along the right track. No more forced sterilization of trans-gendered as well. quote:The organization noted that transgender people will still have to go before a judge to have their gender legally changed, and argued that the process should be opened to all transgender minors. Though of course there is still more to go.
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