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Broken Cog posted:So what is Dueterte getting out of all this? Is this whole charade a result of the US and the rest of the world criticizing his insane war on drugs, or is it purely to drum up nationalistic support? Also, what do people in the Philippines think about him cozying up to China and Russia while pissing away goodwill with the US? Duterte campaigned on "we're totes going to beat China", even as there were allegations and rumors about his campaign being funded by Chinese businessmen, so Duterte cozying up to China after years of sentiment heavily resenting Chinese aggressiveness (which sometimes turns ugly racist and xenophobic) doesn't play well with the public. Some of his public supporters continue to cling to "this is the US's fault for criticizing us, so Duterte is justified in approaching China instead", or even "this is the media's fault for misrepresenting the Philippines to the point where the US is abandoning us, so Duterte is justified in approaching China instead", but this is going to be a losing issue for him, not the least of which is because it exposes the Foreign Secretary and the Press Secretary as either being incompetent, or unaligned with the President, or both as they keep having to deflect Duterte's ramblings.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Duterte campaigned on "we're totes going to beat China", even as there were allegations and rumors about his campaign being funded by Chinese businessmen, so Duterte cozying up to China after years of sentiment heavily resenting Chinese aggressiveness (which sometimes turns ugly racist and xenophobic) doesn't play well with the public. Thanks for the information. It's always interesting to see what happens when someone that has a cult of personality behind them gets elected to a leadership position, and ends up doing things differently than what people had expected of them. Appreciate all the updates from the local Filipino Goons in here, keep up the good work.
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sincx posted:Even if Duterte is serious about it (and he isn't, this is just to gain leverage against the US), I doubt China would want to or is able to give enough of anything of note to the Philippines. I'd hardly call NK a Chinese vassal. If it was a vassal, it'd be doing a lot more for China and vice versa. Ytlaya posted:Someone in this thread mentioning Mall Asia or something reminded me of this Filipina girl I chatted with on AIM when I was 13/14 way back in the late 90's. I remember she would tell me about how the Philippines had amazing, giant malls. Malls so big that they made malls in the US look tiny. I remember being very fascinated by those malls. Filipino malls are fuckhuge, rivaled only by the Chinese in their size. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_shopping_malls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_shopping_malls_in_the_Philippines
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I was really excited to go see some American malls while I was in the US and was shocked at how pathetically small they were. I did go to one mall that was fairly decently-sized but it was basically dead, with maybe 20 people left in the entire mall, like it was a zombie apocalypse.
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Why are the malls so huge?
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I would assume Chinese style "are country strong and prosperous because we have lots of big malls"
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As far as I know, it's not really a nationalist thing - malls are just the natural outgrowth of where people do all their retail stuff in a metropolis where it's too cramped to have sprawl-type strip malls and where it's too capitalist to have mom-and-pop/SME stores anymore (or rather, the SMEs are inside the malls). Plus they're air-conditioned, which makes them popular with people who would otherwise be melting down in their houses in the summer.
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gradenko_2000 posted:this is going to be a losing issue for him, not the least of which is because it exposes the Foreign Secretary and the Press Secretary as either being incompetent, or unaligned with the President, or both as they keep having to deflect Duterte's ramblings. Did you see Yasay after Duterte's speech in Hanoi? Some folks from Rappler stopped him to ask what "final joint exercises with US meant" and he just straight up denied Duterte had literally just said that. He just related it back to the "no joint patrols in the South China Sea" line instead of acknowledging the speech he'd just watched. I don't loving understand how that guy is still in his job, even knowing full well he's just keeping the seat warm for Cayetano.
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CronoGamer posted:Did you see Yasay after Duterte's speech in Hanoi? Some folks from Rappler stopped him to ask what "final joint exercises with US meant" and he just straight up denied Duterte had literally just said that. He just related it back to the "no joint patrols in the South China Sea" line instead of acknowledging the speech he'd just watched. I don't loving understand how that guy is still in his job, even knowing full well he's just keeping the seat warm for Cayetano. Yasay doesn't seem to be familiar with the modern concept of "everything you and the President says is literally going to be recorded" My brother has friends in the foreign office and he tells me it's become a weekly thing where people there are tearing their hair out from a combination of the President making yet another calamitous announcement, and Yasay exacerbating the problem either by doubling-down or making a contrary statement. So the story goes that while the President was berating the other ASEAN members and passing the Bud Dajo massacre picture around, a number of our foreign service officers in the same room were openly weeping in shame and disappointment over the collapse of decorum.
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Malls are big because rich people need a place to hang out. Consider Rockwell in Makati for example. The rest is air conditioning, and having a place where movie theaters can exist. You want to see a revolt? Take air conditioning out of the movie theaters.
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Mall size is a function of economic inequality and heat. C.f. Vegas and Dubai.
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Yeah, malls are basically reserves that are heavily guarded by armed people who will search bags and trunks of people coming in, so you can walk around in them without having to watch your back in the same way. They are also airconditioned and protect you from rain. Also, you can get alcoholic milkshakes. It was a great safe place for a whitey foreigner to spend his weekends, actually.
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Malls are where people converge after a typhoon knocks out power for days on end.
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Okay, so to take this from the top, Senator Leila De Lima originally lead the Senate Justice Committee, and she launched an investigation into the supposed extra-judicial killings being committed as part of the administration's War on Drugs. In response, the President started throwing around allegations that she was herself involved in the drug trade, including supposedly using drug lords to provide funding for her campaign. In support of the President's rumor-mongering, the House launched their own probe, which included granting immunity from suit to these self-same drug lords in exchange for their testimony against Senator De Lima. The latest development in this story is that yesterday afternoon, the Speaker of the House OK'd the showing of an alleged sex tape of Senator De Lima - the alleged purpose of this is to establish that De Lima was in fact having an affair with her driver, one Ronnie Dayan, who was supposed to be the bagman between the drug lords and De Lima. This has not gone down well with certain demographics, including De Lima's fellow women Senators.
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It's an obvious shame tactic, and incredibly, horrifyingly, embarrassingly misogynistic besides. Especially considering the President himself boasts of getting some on the side in the past. E: mind you, I'm not on de Lima's side here. After she gleefully led the kangaroo court impeachment of Chief Justice Corona during the past administration, she deserves some negative karma heading her way. anakha fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:As far as I know, it's not really a nationalist thing - malls are just the natural outgrowth of where people do all their retail stuff in a metropolis where it's too cramped to have sprawl-type strip malls and where it's too capitalist to have mom-and-pop/SME stores anymore (or rather, the SMEs are inside the malls). Plus they're air-conditioned, which makes them popular with people who would otherwise be melting down in their houses in the summer. There are tons of dense urban centers where malls are either a tiny thing or non-existent. Most the US for example.
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quote:President Rodrigo Duterte on Friday indicated that he was willing to do what Hitler did to the Jews to the country's criminals. http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/583282/news/nation/duterte-willing-to-unleash-a-hitler-on-phl-criminals
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Ok so when politicians are compared to Hitler we finally have an actual example of what going full Hitler looks like
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gradenko_2000 posted:http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/583282/news/nation/duterte-willing-to-unleash-a-hitler-on-phl-criminals He is just taking things to the logical endpoint. Has been predicted for decades: quote:Independent researcher Miller continues the argument he began in The Case for Legalizing Drugs (LJ 4/15/91). Drawing on his latest book, Nazi Justiz (Praeger, 1995), he makes an extended analogy between Germany repressing the Jews and America repressing drug users. In chapters on identification, ostracism, confiscation, concentration, and annihilation, he shows that democracy, privacy, and family life can be lost in our society just as they were when these policies were applied to the Jews. Because of "bureaucratic thrust," the criminalization aimed at one group consumes the entire society. In contrast, Miller thinks drug use is normal and should be regarded as such; he marshals convincing evidence that it can be mature and responsible. If drugs are abused, he does not think criminalization or medical force are solutions, any more than they would be solutions to unemployment. Although many will find Miller's case overstated, it is thoughtful and thought-provoking
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He'd better put his money where his mouth is and start a Syrian refugee program.
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gradenko_2000 posted:http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/583282/news/nation/duterte-willing-to-unleash-a-hitler-on-phl-criminals 
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Those remarks were made in the middle of a speech where he fired back against Senators Leahy and Cardin with a(nother) load of whataboutism and "and you are lynching negroes":quote:MANILA, Philippines – President Rodrigo Duterte reacted to criticism by two United States senators over extrajudicial killings in the Philippines, telling them, "Do not interfere in our affairs." It should also come to the surprise of absolutely no one that there are still holdouts regarding these Hitlerian remarks, on the basis that the targets are drug-users and drug traffickers in the first place.
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C'mon, CIA, set up a coup in the Philippines. You know, for old times' sake. You haven't lost that old Cold War know-how, have ya?
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Argue posted:He'd better put his money where his mouth is and start a Syrian refugee program. Alternatively I would be fine with refugee status in the States. Come on Hilldawg, please?
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Y-Hat posted:C'mon, CIA, set up a coup in the Philippines. You know, for old times' sake. You haven't lost that old Cold War know-how, have ya? We should be past supporting coups at this point. I mean, yeah, we aren't, but we should be. I'd also like to think the CIA recognizes that coups are modern day monkeys paws deals.
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Also I just woke up from a dream that I had moved to a remote Japanese village but Duterte hunted me down with dronesY-Hat posted:C'mon, CIA, set up a coup in the Philippines. You know, for old times' sake. You haven't lost that old Cold War know-how, have ya? Well, he certainly seems to think that the CIA wants to kill him.
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Argue posted:Also I just woke up from a dream that I had moved to a remote Japanese village but Duterte hunted me down with drones Did his assassins also leave a sign on your body that read "I am yakuza drug dealer" in Tagalog?
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gradenko_2000 posted:Those remarks were made in the middle of a speech where he fired back against Senators Leahy and Cardin with a(nother) load of whataboutism and "and you are lynching negroes": He obviously is of the opinion that two wrongs do, indeed, make a right.
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So in the hypothetical that after the people eventually rise up and depose or otherwise shake off Duterte after months of killings and international condemnation, will Pinoy Pride fall by the wayside and be supplanted by Pinoy Penitence?
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Someone just has to trick him into saying he supports Taiwan's sovereignty and then Boom! bye-bye China support.
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Y-Hat posted:C'mon, CIA, set up a coup in the Philippines. You know, for old times' sake. You haven't lost that old Cold War know-how, have ya? The US is so powerful in the 21st century that the CIA doesn't really need to do that anymore. Plus Duterte is hardly the first lovely leader to use the "And you are lynching negroes" fallacy.
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Navaash posted:So in the hypothetical that after the people eventually rise up and depose or otherwise shake off Duterte after months of killings and international condemnation, will Pinoy Pride fall by the wayside and be supplanted by Pinoy Penitence?  Pinoy pride will never die.
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RandomPauI posted:We should be past supporting coups at this point. I mean, yeah, we aren't, but we should be. I'd also like to think the CIA recognizes that coups are modern day monkeys paws deals.
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Y-Hat posted:I was 95% joking. In any case, I don't see a coup, CIA-backed or not, happening unless these postures to Russia and China become more than that. Even then, the US government would have to think that something harmful can come out of actual alliances. You're severely overestimating the degree to which A) China or Russia are willing/capable of supporting an alliance with the Philippines, and B) China and Russia can actually meaningfully threaten the United States
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Don't forget c)The actual extent the US cares about living conditions in the Philippines. They propped up Marcos for gods sake as long as he was anti commie
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Y-Hat posted:C'mon, CIA, set up a coup in the Philippines. They already successfully rigged the last election 
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get that OUT of my face posted:C'mon, CIA, set up a coup in the Philippines. You know, for old times' sake. You haven't lost that old Cold War know-how, have ya? The CIA already failed with a coup this year. 
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mastershakeman posted:Ok so when politicians are compared to Hitler we finally have an actual example of what going full Hitler looks like you mean when they compare themselves positively to Hitler
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