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Akuma posted:The chalice dungeon related trophies are the real time sinks. I don't think I'll ever beat that loving dog
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Sep 29, 2016 14:00
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kanonvandekempen posted:I don't think I'll ever beat that loving dog  If you're a SKI build, come back with the Bowblade and laugh and laugh at both him and Amygdala. They're hopeless against sustained long-range attacks.
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Sep 29, 2016 14:02
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kanonvandekempen posted:I don't think I'll ever beat that loving dog 50 vitality and the spooky skeleton armor goes a long way towards making that suck a little less.
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Sep 29, 2016 14:12
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Oxxidation posted:
I did it the old fashioned way by bopping him on the nose with a transformed LHB...
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Sep 29, 2016 15:25
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Is the merchant in untended graves supposed to be the same woman in the past? Why come she doesn't comment on anything once you find her and talk to her in the lit shrine? The whole connection between the three versions of firelink is confusing.
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Sep 29, 2016 16:35
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FedEx Mercury posted:Is the merchant in untended graves supposed to be the same woman in the past? Why come she doesn't comment on anything once you find her and talk to her in the lit shrine? The whole connection between the three versions of firelink is confusing. If you never speak with her at firelink until after you meet her at untended graves her opening dialogue changes ever so slightly. That's all you get.
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Sep 29, 2016 16:39
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They liked the old biddy firekeepers a lot it seems. Though my interpretation is that she's goddamn ancient, and has seen a shitload of cycles, and nothing she does or says will change anything.
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Sep 29, 2016 16:48
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I think it's the old firekeeper's voice that narrates the ending as well if you do the "I'm a total fucker" variant of the End of Fire, and she just takes that in stride too.
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Sep 29, 2016 17:27
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lite_sleepr posted:Blue Sentinels get the same concords, so can you turn in concords earned as a blue sentinel instead? yes, and unless you're doing a low level challenge run on purpose, that's by far easier to do than playing all the way to anor londo at SL20 FedEx Mercury posted:Is the merchant in untended graves supposed to be the same woman in the past? Why come she doesn't comment on anything once you find her and talk to her in the lit shrine? The whole connection between the three versions of firelink is confusing. I've always been partial to the idea that the Firelink you inhabit with Ludleth and all the other NPCs is actually a pocket dimension, and the one that's hidden behind the crazy dragon dad is the real one. all of the champion gundyr lore talks about how he was supposed to be the unkindled champion but he showed up "too late" so he wasn't able to actually change anything. Ludleth being a lord of fire isn't ever explained in explicit detail, but I can see him being another unkindled from the real Lothric and just barely managing to link the fires (losing both his legs in the process) and when he finally attains his lordship, his first act is to recreate Firelink and try to reboot the whole cycle. plus, the Firelink you inhabit doesn't actually connect to anything, even though it's placed in the same "space" as the dead Firelink.
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Sep 29, 2016 19:47
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Freaking Crumbum posted:I've always been partial to the idea that the Firelink you inhabit with Ludleth and all the other NPCs is actually a pocket dimension, and the one that's hidden behind the crazy dragon dad is the real one. This checks out, IMO. The Firelink Shrine you level up in isn't connected to the rest of the world like Dark Firelink is, also explains why someone like Andre is just hanging out there and how everyone is capable of just teleporting there when you recruit them, even if they're in a cage like Cornyx. They couldn't go there until they met you or else they would have, so maybe that Light Firelink is a phenomenon centered on the Champion of Ash. The other area you teleport to that's disconnected from the rest of the world is Archdragon Peak, which is either a destination in your dreams or in a dream of one of its inhabitants. Maybe Light Firelink is a dream, too? But if so, who's? Yours? Ludleth's? That's all the vaatying I've got on the subject.
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Sep 29, 2016 19:56
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I 100% buy Untended Graves being the "real" Firelink and our home base being a place constructed by Ludleth and the Maiden as an emergency contingency. Graves connects to the world, Shrine doesn't. Champion Gundyr is a real badass, Iudex Gundyr is a weaker copy that acts as a test for Ashen Ones to (as title suggests) judge if they're worthy of the quest. You also get an actual coiled sword fragment from Champion.
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Sep 29, 2016 19:58
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mango sentinel posted:I 100% buy Untended Graves being the "real" Firelink and our home base being a place constructed by Ludleth and the Maiden as an emergency contingency. Graves connects to the world, Shrine doesn't. Champion Gundyr is a real badass, Iudex Gundyr is a weaker copy that acts as a test for Ashen Ones to (as title suggests) judge if they're worthy of the quest. You also get an actual coiled sword fragment from Champion. The sword fragment is from the shrine in the Untended Graves, not Champion.
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Sep 29, 2016 20:02
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But Untended Graves is dark, whereas the rest of the world isn't. And none of that explains where/what the kiln is.
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Sep 29, 2016 20:06
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Does anyone use the pig shield?
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Sep 29, 2016 20:36
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Untended Graves is a confusing mess and I've never read a theory about it that didn't have a hole somewhere. Azuth0667 posted:Does anyone use the pig shield? I don't think there's any mechanical reason to use it over other shields so you'd only want it for, uh, "fashion".
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Sep 29, 2016 20:40
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Internet Kraken posted:Untended Graves is a big huge confusing mess and I've never read a theory about it that didn't have a hole somewhere. I think it oinks when you shield bash people.
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Sep 29, 2016 20:40
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This guy used it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqu8XbIOMJ8
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Sep 29, 2016 20:48
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This game needs chain lightning so I can clown on all these gank squads I keep running into.
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Sep 29, 2016 21:09
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FedEx Mercury posted:But Untended Graves is dark, whereas the rest of the world isn't. And none of that explains where/what the kiln is. I don't really have anything to say to this, other than Untended Graves might be the nexus from which a new Age of Dark is spreading and it hasn't reached the other areas yet, or it may be located in the physical Abyss somehow.
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Sep 29, 2016 21:10
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the untended graves are from an alternate reality where the firekeeper forgot to pay the electric bill and was later evicted
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Sep 29, 2016 21:23
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Does anyone have a solaire set they'd be willing to gift me?
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Sep 29, 2016 23:52
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lite_sleepr posted:Does anyone have a solaire set they'd be willing to gift me? sorry i always vendor mine
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Sep 29, 2016 23:54
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Deified Data posted:This checks out, IMO. The Firelink Shrine you level up in isn't connected to the rest of the world like Dark Firelink is Players have noclipped through the way you enter dark firelink in the light firelink area and they end up in the same place you enter the dark firelink shrine from, the area right after Oceiros. If you double back from there though you do end up in Dark Firelink. While it's only a one way trip out, Light firelink is not separated from the rest of the world; rather, both it and dark firelink occupy the same exact physical space on the map. Pretty spooky! Also confusing. The biggest issue I have with Dark Firelink being the real one is that there's seemingly no indication of darkness or abyss (whatever you want to call it) from any part of the map that you should be able to see it from. like the top of Lothric Castle. I don't exactly buy that the darkness is something you can only see until you're inside of it, since the linking of the fire seems to be heavily linked to the sun itself, and the sun is clearly perfectly healthy in the game (well, at least for the first half of the game).
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Sep 30, 2016 03:30
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I love the Four Kings area of the abyss but as the series has gone on it seems very inconsistent with the rest, even the Artorias DLC. It's the only instance of "the abyss" that's a complete black void and you need special protection or you instantly die, but when you fight Manus and do the DS2 abyss stuff it's just dark and stoney and just like anywhere else.
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Sep 30, 2016 11:01
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Maybe that's just what the Abyss' endgame is? It takes a while for it to take over completely. But really, it's just cause it's hard to do anything with it level design wise if it's always just a black void.
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Sep 30, 2016 11:07
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untended graves reminds me of the lynch film "lost highway" in that it sort of presents this tricky logic puzzle and makes no sense but goddamn does it have an amazing and ominous vibe
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Sep 30, 2016 11:19
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alf_pogs posted:untended graves reminds me of the lynch film "lost highway" in that it sort of presents this tricky logic puzzle and makes no sense but goddamn does it have an amazing and ominous vibe Why are there silver knights in it?
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Sep 30, 2016 13:06
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lite_sleepr posted:Why are there silver knights in it? Seems like the appropriate level of difficulty for that area.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:58
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lite_sleepr posted:Why are there silver knights in it? Maybe they have nowhere else to go.
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Sep 30, 2016 14:04
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lite_sleepr posted:Why are there silver knights in it? Black Knights, probably to further associate the area with the Kiln of the First Flame.
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Sep 30, 2016 14:05
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Deified Data posted:This checks out, IMO. The Firelink Shrine you level up in isn't connected to the rest of the world like Dark Firelink is, also explains why someone like Andre is just hanging out there and how everyone is capable of just teleporting there when you recruit them, even if they're in a cage like Cornyx. They couldn't go there until they met you or else they would have, so maybe that Light Firelink is a phenomenon centered on the Champion of Ash. The other area you teleport to that's disconnected from the rest of the world is Archdragon Peak, which is either a destination in your dreams or in a dream of one of its inhabitants. Maybe Light Firelink is a dream, too? But if so, who's? Yours? Ludleth's? I'm pretty sure the NPCs you ecounter are just homeward-boning out. They're using the same graphics for it and it's also what they are doing - teleporting back to the shrine.
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Sep 30, 2016 15:20
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They're absolutely using a Homeward Bone. Same effect, same posture, same sound effect.
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Sep 30, 2016 15:27
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There should be one npc who never bothered to sit down anywhere so they bone out and never appear again.
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Sep 30, 2016 15:30
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I'll homeward bone you
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lite_sleepr posted:Why are there silver knights in it? if you think about it, Gwyn's knights were created to hunt dragons, and Ocieros is a dragon. it's possible some of them wandered in after anor londo was pulled into irithyll, but before the path between irithyll and lothric was all hosed up, because they heard or sensed that there was a dragon to fight, and then Ocieros managed to just dump/trap them into the untended graves to get rid of them.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:50
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lite_sleepr posted:I'll homeward bone you 
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Sep 30, 2016 19:57
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Freaking Crumbum posted:if you think about it, Gwyn's knights were created to hunt dragons, and Ocieros is a dragon. it's possible some of them wandered in after anor londo was pulled into irithyll, but before the path between irithyll and lothric was all hosed up, because they heard or sensed that there was a dragon to fight, and then Ocieros managed to just dump/trap them into the untended graves to get rid of them. I might be wrong but I think you're thinking of the black Knights that were charged with killing demons? All we know about the silver Knights is that they stayed behind in Anor Londo when Gwyn went to hunt the demons. Might be wrong though.
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Sep 30, 2016 22:49
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Opening cutscene of DaS shows that Gwyn had silver knights with him when the Lords battled the dragons. Also they have dragonslayer great bows which does sort of imply they slew some dragons at some point.
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skasion posted:Opening cutscene of DaS shows that Gwyn had silver knights with him when the Lords battled the dragons. Also they have dragonslayer great bows which does sort of imply they slew some dragons at some point. Also they charge them up with lightning in this game which is kind of a dead giveaway.
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