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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Nuevo posted:

I cannot even begin to comprehend where a myth like that would even start to come from. :psyduck:

Interpreting correlation as causation.

"I stored these car batteries on the floor in my freezing garage all winter and never topped them up, and now they're dead! It must be something to do with the floor!"

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Nuevo posted:

I cannot even begin to comprehend where a myth like that would even start to come from. :psyduck:

Ufer grounds is my guess.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

VectorSigma posted:

there's a pretty persistent myth that storing car batteries on concrete will destroy its ability to hold a charge.

You can store them on concrete, as long as they're under a pyramidal shape.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
iirc back in the dayyyyyyy battery cases were made out of some stupid creosote and cardboard thing or some similarly hilariously late 19th century answer, and there actually was a bit of dissipation through the case. that also hasn't been valid for at least eighty years though

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Not sure but don't a lot of batteries dislike cold temperatures, and the concrete usually being cold would cause people to extrapolate that concrete = cold, cold = bad for battery, concrete = bad for battery? Not my belief, just channeling the inner idiot.

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


It becomes an issue when its an extreme cold or heat, or a rapid change in temps. Extreme cold is a fun issue since you will have fewer cranking amps available the colder it gets. If you look on a battery, you will see a bunch of numbers all over it, but one is labeled CCA. This is the battery's cold cranking amp rating, taken at 0° F/-18° C. CA are cranking amps, which are measured at 32° F/0° C, along with MCA or Marine Cranking Amps.

Edit: The rapid change in temps part is why parts stores, dealerships and independant mechanics see a spike in customers coming in for batteries during early spring and late fall and will offer deals on batteries at that time.

Elmnt80 fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Sep 29, 2016

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiN9M0ahfmM

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Saw a very OSHA thing yesterday when I was out and about. A guy was trying to screw in something that was slightly above his reach so he took a hand truck, put it upside down, leaned it against the wall and was using it as a stepladder.

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

KiteAuraan posted:

It of course, doesn't work, which is why Qin Shi Huang Di, First Emperor of China is dead now, rather than Lo Pan'ing us all to this day.

Indeed!

The Sausages
Sep 30, 2012

What do you want to do? Who do you want to be?

Wasabi the J posted:

How many times do we have to rehash the fact that elemental Mercury isn't that loving dangerous unless your drinking it?



Deteriorata posted:

In this case it is accurate, because elemental mercury is not absorbed very efficiently, if at all, and passes through you fast enough that you don't get much of a dose from it. The main avenue of absorption of elemental mercury is through inhaling its vapor.

Mercury compounds, particularly organomercury, are a different matter.



It's not like it's Dimethyl Mercury. :nms:

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

For those who don't know much about chemistry: seeing a naming format of number prefix-methyl metal/cation is code for "I (probably) want to kill you."

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

quote:

In 1972, a 28-year-old chemist in Czechoslovakia had suffered the same symptoms as Wetterhahn after synthesizing 6 kg of the compound.

Jesus Christ, what do you need 6 kg of one of the strongest known neurotoxins with almost no applications for?

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

i was once told i was not allowed to store dead lead-acid batteries next to fresh ones because 'the charge would even out' and drain the full ones :psyduck:

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Nuevo posted:

I cannot even begin to comprehend where a myth like that would even start to come from. :psyduck:

Well, it's on the ground, see? So it's grounded and everyone knows grounded batteries lose their charge. Duh.

DonnyTrump
Apr 24, 2010

Captain Foo posted:

i was once told i was not allowed to store dead lead-acid batteries next to fresh ones because 'the charge would even out' and drain the full ones :psyduck:

https://youtu.be/brdmnUBAS00

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007



well that bummed me out for the day.

Lime Tonics
Nov 7, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
http://i.imgur.com/2CqyyzE.gifv

Ak Gara
Jul 29, 2005

That's just the way he rolls.

Seems like nowadays you could add a quadrotor to the basket and guide the basket to the plane rather than the plane to the basket.

Ema Nymton
Apr 26, 2008

the place where I come from
is a small town
Buglord

I hope these guys don't get in trouble for this. Only the Fun Police would arrest them. :colbert:

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Ak Gara posted:

Seems like nowadays you could add a quadrotor to the basket and guide the basket to the plane rather than the plane to the basket.

I think for most tankers nowadays, the refueling boom is steered by someone in the tanker while the plane being refueled tries to hold formation.

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

McGavin posted:

Jesus Christ, what do you need 6 kg of one of the strongest known neurotoxins with almost no applications for?
Rocket fuel.







No, seriously.

John D. Clark posted:

Phil Pomerantz, of BuWeps, wanted me to try dimethyl mercury, Hg(CH3)2, as a fuel. I suggested that it might be somewhat toxic and a bit dangerous to synthesize and handle, but he assured me that it was (a) very easy to put together, and (b) as harmless as mother's milk.
[...]
So I phoned Rochester, and asked my contact man at Eastman Kodak if they would make a hundred pounds of dimethyl mercury and ship it to NARTS.
I heard a horrified gasp, and then a tightly controlled voice (I could hear the grinding of teeth beneath the words) informed me that if they were silly enough to synthesize that much dimethyl mercury, they would, in the process fog every square inch of photographic film in Rochester, and that, thank you just the same, Eastman was not interested. The receiver came down with a crash, and I sat back to consider the matter. An agonizing reappraisal seemed to be indicated.
And...

John D. Clark posted:

At NOTS, Dean Couch and D. G. Nyberg took over the job, and by March 1960 had completed their experiments. They used a 250- pound thrust RFNA-UDMH motor, and injected mercury through a tap in the chamber wall. And the thing did work. They used up to 31 volume percent of mercury in their runs, and found that at 20 percent they got a 40 percent increase in density impulse. (I had calculated 43.) As they were firing in the middle of the desert, they didn't bother with the scrubber. And they didn't poison a single rattlesnake. Technically, the system was a complete success. Practically—that was something else again.
(RFNA = Red Fuming Nitric Acid, UDMH = Unsymmetric Dimethyl Hydrazine)

Source: https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf

Ak Gara
Jul 29, 2005

That's just the way he rolls.
Rocket Science is all about finding the most stupidest compound you can and saying "Can I set it on fire?"

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Zopotantor posted:

Rocket fuel.







No, seriously.

And...

(RFNA = Red Fuming Nitric Acid, UDMH = Unsymmetric Dimethyl Hydrazine)

Source: https://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf

It's important to point out the the "agonized reappraisal" led them to use elemental mercury, not DMM, in that rocket test. The quoted sections by themselves could lead people to think they sprayed hundreds of pounds of DMM all over the landscape.

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

This seems like a good time to post nuclear rockets.

VectorSigma
Jan 20, 2004

Transform
and
Freak Out




this should be the soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4pSjzI8BSw

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Zopotantor posted:

Rocket fuel.

In Czechoslovakia?

Here's a link to the article about the dude's post-mortem, but it's behind a paywall so I can't access it.

I do know that they tried using it as a fungicide on wheat seeds in Iraq, but made the seeds into bread instead of planting them and killed at least a hundred people.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Armacham posted:

I think for most tankers nowadays, the refueling boom is steered by someone in the tanker while the plane being refueled tries to hold formation.

USAF Tankers do this, as do a few other foreign air forces. Most people, including the US Navy, use probe and drogue, where the drogue just sort of dangles there, and it's on the refuelling pilot to make the connection.

Ak Gara posted:

Rocket Science is all about finding the most stupidest compound you can and saying "Can I set it on fire?"

And then you learn about the wonderful world of hypergols, where you don't even need to ignite them. Just mix em, and they'll do the rest.

VectorSigma
Jan 20, 2004

Transform
and
Freak Out



McGavin posted:

I do know that they tried using it as a fungicide on wheat seeds in Iraq, but made the seeds into bread instead of planting them and killed at least a hundred people.

more like at least a thousand

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Iraq_poison_grain_disaster

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

PittTheElder posted:

where the drogue just sort of dangles there, and it's on the refuelling pilot to make the connection.
And one day the fuel spills out and all over the plane and catches on fire.
And the pilot discovers the ejection seat doesn't work and he has to remove the canopy and crawl out at several hundred knots.
And then the pilot discovers the parachute doesn't open, so he has to fall several thousand meters into the sea.
And then the pilot survives the impact - partly because he had his spleen removed a few years earlier.

https://uss-la-ca135.org/60/1960Judkins-Knott.html

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

PittTheElder posted:

And then you learn about the wonderful world of hypergols, where you don't even need to ignite them. Just mix em, and they'll do the rest.

The world where godawful poo poo like FOOF and chlorine trifluoride were seriously considered as propellants.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

PittTheElder posted:

USAF Tankers do this, as do a few other foreign air forces. Most people, including the US Navy, use probe and drogue, where the drogue just sort of dangles there, and it's on the refuelling pilot to make the connection.

A boom's advantage is that it can support a much higher flow rate, but the probe and drogue are more flexible; you can mount a drogue system even on small aircraft for buddy stores or you can mount several of them on large tankers so the tanker isn't limited to refueling just one plane at a time.

So if you're like the USAF and your main thing during the development of aerial refueling was refueling big fuckoff bombers so they could go nuke the Soviet Union, you develop the boom system and you mostly stick with that. If you're like the USN and have no big fuckoff bombers to refuel, you do probe and drogue.

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl7tyF71zHA
E: Apparently the video got taken down. It was a review of this thing: http://www.wickedlasers.com/laserdock
E2: Now the video is back. Updated the link.

This device seems somewhat off. The lack of FDA approval could be just red tape, but the "interlock" killed me. It's just a cheater to short the pins.

I'd be interested in the safety systems in a "real" laser projection system.

Guy Axlerod fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Sep 29, 2016

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Today I saw a truck from a company that, according to their site, sells OSHA-related gear such as fire extinguishers, teaches workers about safety, and so on.

Their biggest mystery to me is their logo.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Carbon dioxide posted:

Today I saw a truck from a company that, according to their site, sells OSHA-related gear such as fire extinguishers, teaches workers about safety, and so on.

Their biggest mystery to me is their logo.


SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Carbon dioxide posted:

Today I saw a truck from a company that, according to their site, sells OSHA-related gear such as fire extinguishers, teaches workers about safety, and so on.

Their biggest mystery to me is their logo.

It's a man carrying a box with another box stuck in his spine.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Carbon dioxide posted:

Today I saw a truck from a company that, according to their site, sells OSHA-related gear such as fire extinguishers, teaches workers about safety, and so on.

Their biggest mystery to me is their logo.

That's either a man running with one arm up in the air behind him and part of one in front of him or the beginning of a really abstract loss edit.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Guy Axlerod posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdpO3wtQZ7I

This device seems somewhat off. The lack of FDA approval could be just red tape, but the "interlock" killed me. It's just a cheater to short the pins.

I'd be interested in the safety systems in a "real" laser projection system.

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008

The video got taken down I guess. It was a review of this thing: http://www.wickedlasers.com/laserdock

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Guy Axlerod posted:

The video got taken down I guess. It was a review of this thing: http://www.wickedlasers.com/laserdock

quote:

----UPDATE--- The video is being re-uploaded on youtube - the original file became corrupted somehow. This will take a couple of hours.

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Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008
OK here is the new video of the laser thing with a lovely "interlock" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl7tyF71zHA

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