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Um, excuse me, United States vampires protect the American people by running a powerful anti-supernatural U.S. government agency. They're heroes, if you think about it.
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nrook posted:Um, excuse me, United States vampires protect the American people by running a powerful anti-supernatural U.S. government agency. They're heroes, if you think about it.  God bless America!
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Sep 30, 2016 08:02
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nrook posted:Um, excuse me, United States vampires protect the American people by running a powerful anti-supernatural U.S. government agency. They're heroes, if you think about it. Vampires running Task Force: VALKYRIE always seemed like kind of a cop-out to me. If I were Emperor of all nWoD canon, first thing I'd say (if forced to speak at all) is that TFV is bankrolled by a U.S. Department of Defense slush fund that bleeds money out of various bloated defense budgets. Like say, some military top brass asked to buy a hammer, and they wanted $400 to get it, or something wacky, for a classified DOD project. Spend $5 on the hammer, and the other $395 goes to fund the R&D team at TFV that makes laser cannons and poo poo to crisp up vampires slightly faster. A conveniently-placed, untraceable money pit for all sorts of political uses!
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Sep 30, 2016 08:06
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Task Force: VALKYRIE is clearly run by a committee composed of every splat. Except for Beasts. No one likes them.
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Sep 30, 2016 09:10
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Beasts are the Ted Cruz of the
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Beasts are the Ted Cruz of the Then what's the Donald Trump? 
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Sep 30, 2016 09:33
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Kavak posted:Then what's the Donald Trump? The Seers have ensured that Donald Trump is the president.
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The mention of Usiel earlier had me check the comprehensive noddism stuff for which angel did what curse. That bit isn't important, but it highlighted why taking the side-by-side view is really neat sometimes. This is combining Erciyes, Lilith Genesis Fragment, and Nod entries that sit side by side, ostensibly as different conversations, into a single weaving. In the first and fourth paragraphs, he's speaking to Lilith, demanding to be an equal; in the second, he's raging against an angel and against YHVH, and in the third, Lilith is joining Jehovah. It dovetails fairly nicely with the conventional Caine and Lilith narrative, but it adds additional depth. We can also read the second paragraph as Lilith's response to the request - "Lilith loved me, and I knew this. Lilith would do what I asked, Though she did not wish it." flowing into 'I gave him my heart's own worship' and then being cast out for offering blood - rather than as part of Caine's own speech. "Caine said, “Even so, a life without Power Will not be worth living. I would die without your gifts. I will not live as your Thrall. I gave Him my heart’s own Worship, And He deemed it unworthy. I offered Him up the fruit of all My labours, And he deemed it too little. And when I offered Him blood, as He had taught me to do, He cast me out." He took her there in Heaven, And He knew her as a mate. For seven days and seven nights, She sat upon His lap and He sat within hers. And so, Lilith, bright-eyed Lilith, Awakened me. She cut herself with a knife Bled for me into a bowl. I drank deep. It was sweet."
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Sep 30, 2016 09:48
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White Wolf is really missing out on not hiring Loomer to write the setting Bible.
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Sep 30, 2016 11:46
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Incidentally here are the Grand masquerade videos, including the Q&A that apparently got everyone riled. Keynote Address Q&A
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Sep 30, 2016 12:31
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Luminous Obscurity posted:The Seers have ensured that Donald Trump is the president. Ministry of Mammon, specifically.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:55
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Obligatum VII posted:Ministry of Mammon, specifically. Are they the ones that perform all their rituals while blasting "head like a hole" over the speakers?
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Sep 30, 2016 13:59
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Rubix Squid posted:Task Force: VALKYRIE is clearly run by a committee composed of every splat. Except for Beasts. No one likes them. I prefer the idea that every single splat is certain they're secretly behind Task Force Valkyrie and that all the other guys are just small time players.
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Scion: 187k and counting.quote:Welcome back, faithful readers! A lot of folks have been asking for how PSPs work, so here’s a preview of the Æsir and Shén Pantheon Signature Purviews.
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Sep 30, 2016 14:15
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Desiden posted:Incidentally here are the Grand masquerade videos, including the Q&A that apparently got everyone riled. The more Swedracula talks the more I hate him. Shane's not much better.
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Sep 30, 2016 14:34
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I don't know why I looked at the comments. What is wrong with me.
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Night10194 posted:I prefer the idea that every single splat is certain they're secretly behind Task Force Valkyrie and that all the other guys are just small time players. I still hold to the theory that sure, it's run by vampires but they're super-patriotic vampires and at least one is a founding father with fangs.
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unseenlibrarian posted:I still hold to the theory that sure, it's run by vampires but they're super-patriotic vampires and at least one is a founding father with fangs. Alexander Hamilton is going to massively strengthen the federal system and allow for elite government NO MATTER THE COST to his sanity or soul. Sadly, he was in Torpor while Jackson was president and the Ghoul he sent after him had both his pistols misfire.
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PantsOptional posted:I don't know why I looked at the comments. What is wrong with me.  Jesus Christ. "HOW DARE THESE SJWS ASK THESE QUESTIONS THIS IS WHY WE WANT TO RAPE THEM IN RPGS!"
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Mors Rattus posted:Scion: 187k and counting.
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paradoxGentleman posted:I thought enhancements were supposed to be pretty rare and powerful? Yeah, that title power seems way too easy to boost. Just name yourself "The Kicker of rear end" and suddenly you're at Enhancement 2 for all combat actions. Or tag your enemy with "The Weak And Pathetic Minion of <Your Name Here>" and bam! 2 complications to anything they do to resist you. There doesn't even seem to be a roll to resist getting a title.
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Kaza42 posted:Yeah, that title power seems way too easy to boost. Just name yourself "The Kicker of rear end" and suddenly you're at Enhancement 2 for all combat actions. Or tag your enemy with "The Weak And Pathetic Minion of <Your Name Here>" and bam! 2 complications to anything they do to resist you. There doesn't even seem to be a roll to resist getting a title. Note what the bonus and complication are for - only social actions to influence others and to form plans. The Kicker of rear end is no better at kicking rear end, the Sissy Man no worse. Rather, they are better at convincing others they are that thing, worse at dealing with others who dislike that thing. Also everyone instinctively knows you are that thing.
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I'm always a little confused at why those full on misogynistic types get involved in White Wolf games. Its not like they're the least bit subtle about being left oriented in general, and pro-feminist in specific in many of their lines. Socially awkward people with unexamined underlying misogyny, definitely. People rolling their eyes at the current internet landscape of social justice, or at the particular American brand of feminism, sure maybe. But full on MRAs? Seems like the texts would be about as welcoming to them as Texas Tea Party pamphlets are to Mexicans.
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Mors Rattus posted:Note what the bonus and complication are for - only social actions to influence others and to form plans. The Kicker of rear end is no better at kicking rear end, the Sissy Man no worse. Rather, they are better at convincing others they are that thing, worse at dealing with others who dislike that thing. Also everyone instinctively knows you are that thing. I actually did miss that. It's not as bad, but being able to give a persistent +2 enhancement to influence rolls for being "The Most Persuasive Man In The World", since that seems easy to take advantage of and the power just says Influence Rolls, is still a bit worrying - although more in the "Let's see how the rules go" rather than "Immediate red flashing light"
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Desiden posted:I'm always a little confused at why those full on misogynistic types get involved in White Wolf games. Its not like they're the least bit subtle about being left oriented in general, and pro-feminist in specific in many of their lines. Socially awkward people with unexamined underlying misogyny, definitely. People rolling their eyes at the current internet landscape of social justice, or at the particular American brand of feminism, sure maybe. But full on MRAs? Seems like the texts would be about as welcoming to them as Texas Tea Party pamphlets are to Mexicans. They have very selective readings, which usually emphasise 'dark', 'real', and 'gritty' over what's actually in the material, what's actually in reality, and what's actually gritty rather than edgelordy. Quite a lot of them also tend to embrace the fascist aspects of the setting, which are definitely there as either a deliberate thing to oppose or an accidental 'poo poo, we just made hitler right about the secret cabal trying to ruin Germany, didn't we' implication. Unfortunately, they don't realize that's meant to be the enemy, either because it was very badly handled (Tradition vs Technocracy springs to mind) or they're deliberately reading in a dishonest manner and/or they're actually incapable of conducting a deeper reading. It's the same thing that lets people pretend the oWoD is in any way a setting that cares about realism beyond using the real world as a set dressing, that the Followers of Set and the Baali are redundant, and that every faction should be evil/vile/conservative/assholes because 'this is the world of darkness, not the world of fluffy happiness'. It's the kind of immaturity I had a rant about earlier, which mistakes the set dressing of 'mature themes' for an actual exploration of those themes. It's just being applied to the concept of 'darkness' generally. A lot of it comes from the fanbase, like for most rpgs if to a lesser degree than say DnD until recently, having entered the hobby as socially awkward teenagers and for a lot of them, they then reinforced the exact opposite traits they should have been building up. There's a lot of stunted growth in this hobby's base, and it comes out in reactionary outlashes over things like 'maybe we shouldn't make the good guys actively hate transgender people' or 'could we perhaps have less unnecessary tits on the cover of RPG books so we can read them in public without looking like total creeps' or 'if they wear a slutty costume to dragoncon, I'm allowed to touch them no matter what, they're asking for it' because the emotional maturity of many people in the hobby is lacking. While we're in something of a golden age for the popularity, acceptability, and mass appeal of various tabletop games thanks to celebrities, the internet, etc, the reality is that the oldschool 'core' of the hobby (and also to a large degree for sci-fi and fantasy in general, though like for TTRPGs this is a massive simplification of the actual audience and communities) picked up a lot of bad habits over the years.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:The Seers have ensured that Donald Trump is the president. The Seers don't care who's President, as long as they're divisive and create drama, scandal, and conflict.
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Hey guys, there was an interview with Swedish Dracula on the future of the World of Darkness. http://keepontheheathlands.com/2016/09/30/the-future-of-darkness-an-interview-with-white-wolf-publishing/ Some definite positives; he talked about including supernaturals from places other than europe, and doing so with less prejudice and rose tinted goggles. Someone I have not heard of (Dhaunae De Vir) said "...when exploring dark topics, everyone should be free to choose what experiences and what level of intensity they want to be exposed to and participate in. If some topics are not interesting or if the subject matter is too harsh, there should always be the possibility to opt-out. I want to clarify when I say “too harsh”, I don’t necessarily mean rape. We are role-players, and our imagination is vast and ever-growing." Martin also said in response to the larp drama from the Grand Masquerade "What we did our best to message at The Grand Masquerade was that even though our world is dark and mirrors all kinds of really heavy topics it is important that when larping or participating in any our products, that people do it on the level they think is ok and safe for them. We are also absolutely behind the fan groups playing our games in a way that fits their individual preferences." Of course, on the downside, Swedish Dracula referenced "the lure of heroic fascism in Werewolf," and the two books he explicitly called out as needing to be updated and republished were ”Shoah: Charnel Houses of Europe” and ”Gypsies” (though in fairness he added that it "Should be called something like 'Opre Roma!' "), which makes me really nervous. He also concluded with "Army of the Abandoned; the time has come to rise! Blood and Souls!", which based on my larping experience I can only assume was shouted loudly, while wearing a cloak, in a train station parking lot or empty mall food court.
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Yessod posted:Of course, on the downside, Swedish Dracula referenced "the lure of heroic fascism in Werewolf," and the two books he explicitly called out as needing to be updated and republished were ”Shoah: Charnel Houses of Europe” and ”Gypsies” (though in fairness he added that it "Should be called something like 'Opre Roma!' "), which makes me really nervous. God. drat. IT. The only appropriate revisit, update, and republishing appropriate for that book is a large donation to various Roma charities and a public 'yeah, sorry about that'.
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Yessod posted:Of course, on the downside, Swedish Dracula referenced "the lure of heroic fascism in Werewolf," and the two books he explicitly called out as needing to be updated and republished were ”Shoah: Charnel Houses of Europe” and ”Gypsies” (though in fairness he added that it "Should be called something like 'Opre Roma!' "), which makes me really nervous. Oh good.
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Great timing on the fascism line though. Good of Swedish dracula to give quotes that reinforce my post.
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I understand precisely what you mean but there is never really good timing for 'The Lure of Heroic Fascism' except maybe as the title of a sociology essay.
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There's no mention of if Seoul by Night will be available in English. If not, that necessarily brings The Project to an end with 5E, not to mention if they really do canonize live action and social media play there'll be great trouble when there's non-english sources affecting major change without reliable translations.
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5th Edition is not worthy of The Project. Chronicles of Darkness is. I've got to wonder what Obsidian is thinking looking at what's being done with the property and knowing they're going to have to work with it. Have they stated that video games are going to be using the new continuity, or can they going to set things pre-Gehenna to avoid it?
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I've been listening to a podcast going over oWoD, and listening to them talk about how easy it was to break the tone and just go around rocket-punching terminators, has anyone ever made a fan supplement that ran with that playstyle? I mean it's not like it's really necessary-you already have Exalted, and a storyteller had to do was tell his group to leave the Cure albums at home and just have fun, but I still want to see a full treatment that just straight up makes the WoD line-up into an off brand Avengers. SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Not a fan hack, but NWOD/ChronD had an official-ish April Fool's day sourcebook called Dudes of Legend that went straight into rules hacks for playing badasses in trenchcoats with katanas.
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SirPhoebos posted:I've been listening to a podcast going over oWoD, and listening to them talk about how easy it was to break the tone and just go around rocket-punching terminators, has anyone ever made a fan supplement that ran with that playstyle? I'm not sure what else you thought Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand was about
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Yessod posted:Of course, on the downside, Swedish Dracula referenced "the lure of heroic fascism in Werewolf," and the two books he explicitly called out as needing to be updated and republished were ”Shoah: Charnel Houses of Europe” and ”Gypsies” (though in fairness he added that it "Should be called something like 'Opre Roma!' "), which makes me really nervous. Are you loving kidding me. Mentioning that you'd like to update some stuff, then mentioning the one oWoD book that handled incredibly dangerous source material with the gravity and respect it deserved in the same breath as the absolute nadir of oWoD's racial deafness, is something you'd expect out of old fans guessing the worst possible announcements you could make.
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There needs to be another, even worse, panel for that webcomic with the dog on fire. It no longer reflects this situation.
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Daeren posted:Are you loving kidding me. I have to ask. Original Gypsies was written by Americans, right? Americans are generally just ignorant of anti-Roma prejudice. The new owners being European means there's more chance that 'Gypsies are thieves and scum' isn't an accidental and ignorant implication, but something the authors are down with. Especially if it's a European dude who is talking about 'the lure of heroic fascism'.
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