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No Mods No Masters
Oct 3, 2004

Pureauthor posted:

For the 'Defeat the Ghosts' challenge quest, how do you reach the pond they're talking about? I can't find it anywhere.

IIRC you get there from an exit in the bottom left of the Ueno station.

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Drashin
Feb 26, 2013

Pureauthor posted:

For the 'Defeat the Ghosts' challenge quest, how do you reach the pond they're talking about? I can't find it anywhere.

You get there by going up the southwest stairs in the Ueno Underground.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received
My brother is getting increasingly mad at Tsukiji Hongwanji what do I do?! :ohdear:

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Genpei Turtle posted:

The tradeoff is that when facing multiple enemies (ie most times) there's no guarantee that the multi-hit spells will actually hit the target you're aiming for. More press turns > a little bit of additional damage in almost all situations, so personally I'll take the lower damage over the knowledge that I'll be guaranteed to exploit the weakness I want to when I want to.

Well, the only time you really need multi-hit stuff is for boss fights anyway. Regular fights go by so quickly it isn't a big issue.

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

ImpAtom posted:

Well, the only time you really need multi-hit stuff is for boss fights anyway. Regular fights go by so quickly it isn't a big issue.

You need them for experience pinatas hordes too.

BabyRyoga
May 21, 2001

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

TurnipFritter posted:

You need them for experience pinatas hordes too.

Just use Logos and or Judgement Light for hordes.

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

TurnipFritter posted:

You need them for experience pinatas hordes too.

Pretty sure Ma-spells win that one.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Is there anything unlocked in an NG+ or can I go back to before the final boss to do postgame stuff?

Marogareh
Feb 23, 2011
Looks like you can only fuse Lucifer, Merkabah and Satan on NG+.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Marogareh posted:

Looks like you can only fuse Lucifer, Merkabah and Satan on NG+.

Hmmmmmm. That's compelling enough to bother doing an NG+. Fine, I'll get to it someday.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

No Mods No Masters posted:

IIRC you get there from an exit in the bottom left of the Ueno station.


Drashin posted:

You get there by going up the southwest stairs in the Ueno Underground.

Found it. Thanks!

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
So how do you unlock Krishna for special fusion?

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
The same way Krishna was unlocked the first time.

Argent Cinereus
Feb 25, 2013

Justin_Brett posted:

Are you supposed to be able to get to Asakasa Land when you receive that quest? Just beat King Frost.

I just did exactly that, so it's doable, just probably not advisable.

Inflammatory
Apr 22, 2014
is there a dark spell outside the mudo line that can be whispered/passed down? i haven't found a single one.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
There is only the mudo line for whispered dark skills. Here is a good link of all the skills in the game, which demons can get them, what can be passed around, and what is unique. https://aqiu384.github.io/smt4a-tool/skills.html

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

What's the easiest way to get an anti - force skill on Mother Harlot I'm struggling a bit

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

The red light district of Tokyo (Kabukicho) has hordes of Succubus, Incubus and Lilim which I thought was funny

Also while they aren't anywhere near accurate you can occasionally see real stuff, I think I saw the hotel I stayed in that was close to the Tokyo Metro office

Anyway I leveled Str to like 80 and then dex to 140, did I waste all those STR points

Einwand
Nov 3, 2012

You idiot.
In this world it's pet or BE pet.

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

What's the easiest way to get an anti - force skill on Mother Harlot I'm struggling a bit

Ictinike&Israfel/Victor makes Ishtar one of the components to Mother Harlot while Ictinike learns resist force.
Another way would be to make an Ixtab, have her level into null force and then element de-rank her with Slyphs to Orcus, one of the other components.
I cannot be arsed to figure out a path for Odin's drain force, or care about the zealot that gets repel force.

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer
Why is macca beam still a thing

And why does it scale by percentage, I just lost 200k in one turn gently caress that poo poo

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
I always hate that point in SMT endgame where the number of new exciting demons you can get via fusing starts to go down and down and you realize that yes, you're running out of new demons.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Pureauthor posted:

I always hate that point in SMT endgame where the number of new exciting demons you can get via fusing starts to go down and down and you realize that yes, you're running out of new demons.

Yeah, the last dungeon is a bit exhausting that way because once you have the high-end demons there's no reason not to just Estoma through it.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Last-dungeon burnout is a problem I've had with SMT games for a while.

Wasn't a problem in the Digital Devil Saga games since you ARE the demons.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


Any tips for the mid-game challenge quest that has you fighting Loki? He tore through my team pretty quickly and seems to have all four elemental spells, which is kind of a pain.

Edit: Got him. Lots of Hama and Fog/Acid Breath.

Armor-Piercing fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Oct 1, 2016

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

Man I thought I was doing good on macca but then I got the black card and I can't afford anything. Guess its time to do a few more relic runs.

Speedball posted:

Last-dungeon burnout is a problem I've had with SMT games for a while.

Wasn't a problem in the Digital Devil Saga games since you ARE the demons.

The final dungeon of DDS2 is like a third of the game.

TastyLemonDrops
Aug 6, 2008

you said "drop kick" fyi
Sitting here trying to fuse Zealots and Fameds is pretty boring. Are Undeads also fusable from accidents?1

Genpei Turtle
Jul 20, 2007

TastyLemonDrops posted:

Sitting here trying to fuse Zealots and Fameds is pretty boring. Are Undeads also fusable from accidents?1

Yes. One thing to note is that this time around, you get a bonus chance for fusion accidents not only when fusing dead demons but also sick ones. You get a bonus chance if the MC is sick too. I fused them all because I'm a crazy person but it took me much less time than it did in 4 doing it this way.

Also FWIW a couple of those Fameds can be bought from the Demon DLC if you want.

Drashin
Feb 26, 2013
I am also pretty sure there is an accessory in the Ginza Member's Shop that gives you minus 99 luck and makes you sick to help with causing fusing accidents. It is a little expensive however.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

What's the point of these apps that make you weak to everything?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Speedball posted:

What's the point of these apps that make you weak to everything?

Challenge stuff.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

is it just me or do bosses seem to learn to some degree as they fight?

like they'll flail around with single target element skills for a while, but then if they hit a weakness they'll always attack the weak demon when they use that move

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
I am a big fan of the final boss. It was just as much about managing resources and buffs/debuffs as my parties ability to give and take damage.

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022

Prism
Dec 22, 2007

yospos

Even in the demonic, ruined future, rich old guys are buying Viagra.

Some things never change.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
So what is the weirdest 'relic that you have found? I have managed to run across a bondage suit and a dildo.

Inflammatory
Apr 22, 2014

Cake Attack posted:

is it just me or do bosses seem to learn to some degree as they fight?

like they'll flail around with single target element skills for a while, but then if they hit a weakness they'll always attack the weak demon when they use that move

yeah it definitely seems like they do.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

The AI is really inconsistent though, when fighting an endgame boss they kept using a physical attack on my Shiva like four rounds in a row.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
I think they might be programmed to start going easier on you if you have less people left alive in your party. Can't say for sure.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

Tsukiji konganji is terrible I've been in this stupid thing for an hour

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Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl
It's kind of entertaining that every time someone mentions Tsukiji Hongwanji, it's spelled different.

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