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Lastgirl posted:Elaborate on this? i think that guy might be brain-damaged and confused c-spam with fyad
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Oct 1, 2016 04:07
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lozzle posted:Yeah I don't really have a problem with anything she said and I'm one of the people who "should" be insulted. Even in context it's poor phrasing. Should have just left it at "living with their parents". I agree with the sentiment that the Berners were largely disaffected young white people that got hosed over by a system they neither understood nor controlled, but all it takes to get people to ignore you is to have them feel attacked.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:08
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ImpAtom posted:Okay. How is that talking down to you? shes a little condescending when she talks about idealistic Sanders supporters, but it's fairly mild stuff
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Oct 1, 2016 04:08
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ImpAtom posted:Okay. How is that talking down to you? Saying they don't believe in or even understand what they believe in is pretty patronizing.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:08
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Samurai Sanders posted:Is this the first time a major presidential candidate has said that they may not concede if they lose? Nope, this has literally never happened before. Even though Civil War happened because of a group not accepting the results of a presidential election, I don't think it was ever said pre-lose they would refuse to accept it. This is skating on really dangerous territory for him: if there is post-election violence, these statements can be used to incarcerate him for life.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:09
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CharlestheHammer posted:Saying they don't believe in or even understand what they believe in is pretty patronizing. Ignore the stupid clickbait Politico angle and listen to what she's saying.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:09
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paranoid randroid posted:shes a little condescending when she talks about idealistic Sanders supporters, but it's fairly mild stuff It's also stuff the BernieBots have been accusing her of since the primaries it's just now there's audio. It's not like "Hillary is Center-Left and not Left Left" is shocking news. I feel like we have known that since.. 1992.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:10
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smg77 posted:Ignore the stupid clickbait Politico angle and listen to what she's saying. I read the text, is it inaccurate?
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Oct 1, 2016 04:10
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CharlestheHammer posted:Saying they don't believe in or even understand what they believe in is pretty patronizing. Do you think it is inaccurate that some Bernie Sanders supporters do not actually understand the full extend of what they're supporting? Keeping in mind that when Sanders lost some of them went to Gary Johnson? CharlestheHammer posted:I read the text, is it inaccurate? You appear to be reading it as her saying "literally all Bernie Sanders supporters."
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Oct 1, 2016 04:10
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Covok posted:Nope, this has literally never happened before. Even though Civil War happened because of a group not accepting the results of a presidential election, I don't think it was ever said pre-lose they would refuse to accept it. This is skating on really dangerous territory for him: if there is post-election violence, these statements can be used to incarcerate him for life. It's also very dangerous for any democracy. Democracy depends on people willingly accepting and peacefully transferring power during elections.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:10
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Geoff Peterson posted:Look, I know Fang and the Intercept have gone off the deep end lately but calling them RT is still slightly unfair Oh no, they're shitheads but not RT level ones. I'm just predicting the RT headline regarding this that I'm going to see the lone Stein lunatic holdout in my feed post a hundred times like he did the taco bowl "slur" story
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Oct 1, 2016 04:11
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Covok posted:Nope, this has literally never happened before. Even though Civil War happened because of a group not accepting the results of a presidential election, I don't think it was ever said pre-lose they would refuse to accept it. This is skating on really dangerous territory for him: if there is post-election violence, these statements can be used to incarcerate him for life.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:11
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Endorph posted:im in the exact situation she described and i was shocked by how accurate and true what she said was, and it made me want to support her even more because she seemed to actually get where i was coming from with my bernie support, so. hillary saying "we need to have empathy for the young people who support senator sanders because they got left holding the bag in the great recession, and aren't able to reach the same cultural milestones that previous generations had reached at those ages" is certainly no 47% tape.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:11
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CharlestheHammer posted:I read the text, is it inaccurate? In a soundbite it sounds dismissive of millennials if you squint and listen to it upside down so people are :arzy: like 4 levels deep to project that Trump's going to win because somebody will blast a clip of it out to all the millennials on the Twitter so therefore none of them will show up on election day.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:12
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"Younger millennials are generally in a bad place and Hillary Clinton said so in very blunt terms that's mean to me because she didn't sugar coat it.  "Grow up you drat babies. I know people on the right and the far left want to act like it's some 47% statement but it's not. Millennials are pretty hosed, Clinton knows it and understands why so many wanted to be part of a revolution (and how strong is it going at this point?) because everything else has heaped poo poo on then. It'd have been better if she left out the "in the basement" part but anyone getting hung up on that aspect is looking to be offended. paranoid randroid posted:shes a little condescending when she talks about idealistic Sanders supporters, but it's fairly mild stuff She's also right.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:12
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Admiral Ray posted:Even in context it's poor phrasing. Should have just left it at "living with their parents". I agree with the sentiment that the Berners were largely disaffected young white people that got hosed over by a system they neither understood nor controlled, but all it takes to get people to ignore you is to have them feel attacked. Yeah, can't believe Clinton wouldn't choose her words more wisely and say this during a stump speech on national television 
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Oct 1, 2016 04:12
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It's mostly fine, the only thing that chuffed me was the idea that to implement progressive policies we'd have to become Scandinavia. But I'm not super offended or something, I get the point she's driving at.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:12
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Samurai Sanders posted:Is this the first time a major presidential candidate has said that they may not concede if they lose? What's the alternative if you don't concede? You just say that you're the president and try to coup?
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Oct 1, 2016 04:14
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paranoid randroid posted:its been an article of faith for like six years now that many millennials are stuck in low paying jobs, living with their parents well into the age where they should be striking out on their, and feel that there's no way out. but now that a politician says that she recognizes that much and feels it's important to be receptive to this reality, im supposed to be outraged? Yeah, this is my take on it to. Like she's acknowledging that there are a bunch of millennials have gotten hosed over with the promise of "go into massive debt with school and it will work out for you" while also knowing that anything other than incremental change to help them is impossible because that's literally how the government is setup to function, but because they're new to politics they don't understand that yet. Like holy poo poo she was being 100% truthful of the situation that millennials are in and what they can actually expect from politics and this is somehow a problem? Sorry mom is telling you that you can't get your air jordans to impress your friends at school because she has to also buy you a ti82 for math so you're getting converse.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:14
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They changed the headline, by the way. Now she's "giving her take" on Sanders supporters.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:15
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That's a "hey we need to worry about this group." speech.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:15
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ImpAtom posted:Do you think it is inaccurate that some Bernie Sanders supporters do not actually understand the full extend of what they're supporting? Keeping in mind that when Sanders lost some of them went to Gary Johnson? I can't tell you honestly without doing exactly what I am accusing her of doing. Some might, but a statistically significant amount, an amount worth acknowledging? I don't and can't know.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:15
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The only people outraged by this are either so thin-skinned they make Donald Trump look stoic or actively looking for something to justify their anger and are not interested in the actual context of the quote or what it says, just a soundbite. I am not being hyperbolic when I compare this to the Deplorable situations where Clinton is specifically saying "we need to understand and sympathize" and people are going "but she said some people are bad ergo she's the worst and I'm going to sulk in a corner!" CharlestheHammer posted:I can't tell you honestly without doing exactly what I am accusing her of doing. Some might, but a statistically significant amount, an amount worth acknowledging? I don't and can't know. So you have absolutely nothing to say, you're just upset that she dared to say something you can't even say is inaccurate you just disliked hearing. I am a Sanders supporter. I campaigned alongside Sanders supporters. Frigging Sanders has had to argue with his supporters over this. You can argue ti is 'statistically significant' or not but it doesn't change the fact. Sanders was a movement and there were people supporting him who did not know his specific policies but knew they believed in them. If you don't want to acknowledge that because it makes you feel bad then you're being childish. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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Oct 1, 2016 04:16
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Bullfrog posted:They changed the headline, by the way. Now she's "giving her take" on Sanders supporters. I wonder how many revisions it will get until people stop making fun of them on Twitter
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Oct 1, 2016 04:16
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CharlestheHammer posted:I read the text, is it inaccurate? If you think it was an insult then your understanding of the text is inaccurate. One of Bernie's communications people agrees: https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/782029541040615425
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Oct 1, 2016 04:16
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https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/782055965243871232 Please god do this. You know you want to.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:17
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like the "parents basement" thing is easy to take out of context because that's become cultural shorthand for deliberately prolonged adolescence and somebody who refuses to grow up. but the overall speech is actually really sympathetic towards people who feel frustrated by the economic reality.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:18
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ImpAtom posted:The only people outraged by this are either so thin-skinned they make Donald Trump look stoic or actively looking for something to justify their anger and are not interested in the actual context of the quote or what it says, just a soundbite. My point is she can't know that either, but reading is hard might as well go for a weak rear end burn attempt.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:19
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/782055965243871232 He's astonished he couldn't bully her and he's convinced if he pushes harder he'll manage to scare her. Yes, try it, you fool.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:19
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CharlestheHammer posted:My point is she can't know that either, but reading is hard might as well go for a weak rear end burn attempt. Okay. So you're not even saying she's wrong. You're just insisting that she 'can't possibly know' because she... doesn't have access to research, polling and information? Like do you not get that you're not even making an argument, you're just insisting that Clinton has no way of knowing that some Sanders supporters are caught in a movement rather than policy wonks? Do you think it's talking down to you to say something openly instead of sugercoating it so you don't feel bad?
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Oct 1, 2016 04:20
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Night10194 posted:He's astonished he couldn't bully her and he's convinced if he pushes harder he'll manage to scare her. Hilldawg's gone toe-to-toe with actual murderous dictators. A wannabe one is no problem for her.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:21
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/782055965243871232 
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Oct 1, 2016 04:21
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Having spent a week stepping on rakes, Trump decides that it's time for a change and begins to lay down land mines among the rakes
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Oct 1, 2016 04:21
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Mr Hootington posted:Did this make its rounds in here yet? http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters-audio-leak-228997 The first line with choppy quotes sounded really bad, but then reading her entire statement didn't sound bad at all. So yeah, inflammatory clickbait.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:21
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Pakled posted:Hilldawg's gone toe-to-toe with actual murderous dictators. A wannabe one is no problem for her. He's been able to bully everyone else so far and has no loving clue how to handle someone who has the balls to stand up to him. It's what I'd originally predicted and hoped would happen when they met and I'm incredibly glad it turned out to be true.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:22
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Even the idiots on r/politics think the fundraising comments are basically true and that the original Politico title was ridiculous clickbait. Yeah this isn't going anywhere.
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Oct 1, 2016 04:22
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Spaced God posted:What's the alternative if you don't concede? You just say that you're the president and try to coup? edit: Imagine what America the failed state would look like. Think about the military hardware it has all over the world and a military that is as divided on Hillary and Trump as everyone else. I can hardly imagine a worse thing to happen. It would be vastly worse than Trump actually winning the election. But like I said, Trump's whole thing is empty threats so I am pretty confident that he will indeed concede. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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Oct 1, 2016 04:23
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CharlestheHammer posted:My point is she can't know that either, but reading is hard might as well go for a weak rear end burn attempt. yeah, she clearly can't know that most of sanders support was from people under 30 when there is a massive loving wealth of information that proves most of his support was from people under 30.  Sorry mom told you you can't have air jordans but get converse, now go listen to Linkin Park in your room.
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