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Does Kaine have much debating experience? I know he's been a good politician, and he's just generally a good guy, but will this translate to a winning debate? Pence is a god drat moron and a horrible person, but he's also been a politician for a long time, so I don't think he'll be as vulnerable or off-message as Trump. I just don't want Kaine to put out a losing performance.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:11
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Mike Pence is a moron, only saved from being the worst governor in America by the grace of other, bigger morons who managed to gently caress poo poo up even worse.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:18
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The VP debate will be a snoozer and no one will care about it barring a catastrophic meltdown that seems exceedingly unlikely given that the two participants are, as you noted, both experienced politicians and office-holders on top of being placid, boring white bread dads from SUV commercials.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:18
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Wildeyes posted:I so would, but.......Texas. Also a Texan. If nothing else, a higher Democrat vote will continue the trend of Texas getting more blue every election. We need fewer clowns like Abbott and more folks like Davis, and this would help demonstrate there could be some horse races real soon.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:19
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The VP debate is a competition to see who is the most irrelevant man in politics today. Only political science majors and people hoping Pence literally pisses himself when Kane says "That makes me smart" or "Here's your money, Castro" in his horrendous Donnie T impression will be watching.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:20
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It's just gonna be two boring guys volleying their party-line talking points back and forth, for an audience a fifth the size of the Presidential debate's. Regardless of who wins on points, there's unlikely to be any major gaffes or gotcha moments of the type that could make waves in the broader campaign. The 2008 and 2012 VP debates had way more weight to them than this, and those still probably didn't matter
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Oct 2, 2016 07:24
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Does Tim Kaine have any personal tragedies in his life that Pence could bumble into?
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Oct 2, 2016 07:26
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lozzle posted:Mike Pence is a moron, only saved from being the worst governor in America by the grace of other, bigger morons who managed to gently caress poo poo up even worse. that and there's not a whole lot left that can be done to make indiana worse
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Oct 2, 2016 07:28
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Only way for the VP debate to matter would be for Pence to have some kind of Trump-related outburst and/or decide to walk off the stage shouting "I've had enough of this poo poo!" In 2012 you had the Ryan plan so the VP mattered for the Serious People, in 2008 you had Palin obviously. This year it's ultra-conservative idiot vs. veteran Democratic politician. It'll be fine and no one will care.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:34
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PupsOfWar posted:The 2008 and 2012 VP debates had way more weight to them than this, and those still probably didn't matter 2008 was interesting because there I think the Dems were trying so hard for the VP debate to actually NOT matter. There was nothing they could do to make Palin look worse -- Biden just needed to bite his tongue long enough to not inadvertently increase sympathy for her. I suspect 2008 required far more coaching for Biden than 2012.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:37
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Crain posted:Look at that link. Those usb sticks literally fry machines they get plugged into unless the ports are properly shielded. I can guarantee you a 10 year old voting machine isn't. Yes, but when you go to vote, they check your ID and your address, have you sign your name in an electoral roll to make sure a registered voter is making a vote, complete with time-date stamps, then you can have access to a voting machine. They might not pick up on it immediately, but a time of failure filtered by a time of who had access to the machine means there's going to be a police officer and maybe some FBI men at your door by the time you get home just to ask questions. Covok posted:The VP debate is a competition to see who is the most irrelevant man in politics today. Only political science majors and people hoping Pence literally pisses himself when Kane says "That makes me smart" or "Here's your money, Castro" in his horrendous Donnie T impression will be watching. Yeah, it's not really compelling TV like the first debate or Biden vs. Palin or even Biden vs. Ryan. It doesn't help that they look about the same.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:39
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While you guys keep responding to Mel Mudkipper and he keeps replying with "no, they'd need trained Russian special forces seals to sneak into every booth and they would be detected and everyone would just redo the election, like what occurred in 2000." Does anyone remember that secretary of state who did the tallying of votes herself in excel, at home, and there was seemingly no way to verify the (suspicious) results? Which were then blindly accepted? Hey but I guess it's impossible to tamper with election results. 
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Oct 2, 2016 07:41
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Ugh, remember the 2004 VP debate? loving Dick Cheney and John Edwards, oh my god. The main moment I can recall is Edwards saying something nice about Cheney's lesbian daughter and Cheney thanking him.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:43
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ohgodwhat posted:While you guys keep responding to Mel Mudkipper and he keeps replying with "no, they'd need trained Russian special forces seals to sneak into every booth and they would be detected and everyone would just redo the election, like what occurred in 2000." Does anyone remember that secretary of state who did the tallying of votes herself in excel, at home, and there was seemingly no way to verify the (suspicious) results? Which were then blindly accepted? Hey but I guess it's impossible to tamper with election results. She also found boxes full of uncounted ballots in the trunk of her car that put that judge over the top if I remember correctly who you're talking about. Waukesha maybe?
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Oct 2, 2016 07:44
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lozzle posted:Mike Pence is a moron, only saved from being the worst governor in America by the grace of other, bigger morons who managed to gently caress poo poo up even worse. Which governor are you talking about? There's a few to choose from.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:47
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isk posted:Also a Texan. If nothing else, a higher Democrat vote will continue the trend of Texas getting more blue every election. We need fewer clowns like Abbott and more folks like Davis, and this would help demonstrate there could be some horse races real soon. Speaking of which, Gov. Abbott is using the possibility of a Clinton win in Texas to scare up donor dollars quote:On Monday, one of the most prominent Republicans in Texas has a warning for supporters that Texas could go blue this election. Survey Monkey  But, Texas Dems have been quick to let on that Trump is dragging the Republican Party down. quote:“Any other Republican would be winning by at least 10 points in the state of Texas, but it's Donald Trump,” said Manuel Medina, the Bexar County Democratic Party chairman who’s optimism is fed by raw data. “We have more than 1 million voters registered in Bexar County for the first time in the history of Bexar County. And you look at where they're registering at, and they're registering from places that traditionally vote democrat. It's younger people, it's Hispanic people, it's women.”
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Oct 2, 2016 07:47
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Good Citizen posted:She also found boxes full of uncounted ballots in the trunk of her car that put that judge over the top if I remember correctly who you're talking about. Waukesha maybe? You may be confusing the two cases, because the Excel issue was in the State Supreme Court election.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:48
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Let's focus on computer bullshit when a candidate who's gonna lose is encouraging people to roll up to polling places (elementary schools) strapped to the gills. I mean the Mr. Robot poo poo is compelling but this election has proven we're decades away from any of that factoring in.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:49
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:Which governor are you talking about? There's a few to choose from. lovely Governor Power Rankings have Sam Brownback and Scott Walker up top.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:50
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GalacticAcid posted:The main moment I can recall is Edwards saying something nice about Cheney's lesbian daughter and Cheney thanking him. This makes me miss civility in American politics. It used to be a thing. Young Freud posted:Yes, but when you go to vote, they check your ID and your address, have you sign your name in an electoral roll to make sure a registered voter is making a vote, complete with time-date stamps, then you can have access to a voting machine. They might not pick up on it immediately, but a time of failure filtered by a time of who had access to the machine means there's going to be a police officer and maybe some FBI men at your door by the time you get home just to ask questions. There have been times when I legitimately mixed up who Pence and Kaine were running mates for.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:52
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chamois posted:Let's focus on computer bullshit when a candidate who's gonna lose is encouraging people to roll up to polling places (elementary schools) strapped to the gills. I mean the Mr. Robot poo poo is compelling but this election has proven we're decades away from any of that factoring in. If they do, local law enforcement will likely escort them away from the premises. Civilians aren't allowed to patrol an area covered in guns: vigilantes aren't exactly something most societies tolerate.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:53
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The VP debate will most likely be boring and irrelevant, but there's a huge opportunity for Kaine to spend the entire time low-key baiting Trump by off-handedly asking Pence things like "So who's your favorite Muppet?" Everyone else will brush it off as dumb and clumsy, but Trump will reach into the garbage disposal armpit deep.
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Oct 2, 2016 07:55
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VP Debate: Kaine: "I support Hillary Clinton and all her policies." Pence: "Uh, I, uh, can I just go, please? I don't want to be on this train anymore. Can someone please make it stop?"
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Oct 2, 2016 08:03
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lozzle posted:Does Tim Kaine have any personal tragedies in his life that Pence could bumble into? You know how people are like "you can't just run Generic Democrat?" Tim Kaine is Generic Democrat.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:06
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"Global special interests" has to be from Bannon and the Breitbart flunkies who want to put (((Hillary Clinton))) on notice. :hertiage:
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Oct 2, 2016 08:19
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Covok posted:This makes me miss civility in American politics. It used to be a thing. The whole waxing nostalgia for the supposed halcyon days of civility and compromise in politics by liberals and centrists is incredibly silly. There used to be civility and compromise because all the politicians used to be old white dudes who only really concerned themselves with old white dude problems, at best paying lip service to other people's problems mattering. We don't have that any more because increasingly, non-white people, LGBT people, and women have a voice in politics and white people are incapable of being civil with them, and compromise is impossible when the baseline stakes are "treat me as a human being, or not." The era people pine for is never coming back.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:22
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Luigi Thirty posted:You know how people are like "you can't just run Generic Democrat?" Tim Kaine is Generic Democrat. all kaine needs to do is play mannish boy on the blues harp whenever pence speaks or better yet the intro to train, train by blackfoot Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Oct 2, 2016 08:24
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We had a Senator get the poo poo beaten out of him with a cane way back when, c'mon now.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:24
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Spiffster posted:Ok... Just Got done with episode 1 of Luke cage... Let's see if it got better... Just finished episode 6, the show's p.good and I hope Netflix keeps expanding their Marvel shows and that the DC movies all crater so that CW can get all those IPs (and be allowed to use the Suicide Squad on Arrow again, somehow, since the movie's poo poo and damaged the show for nothing).
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Oct 2, 2016 08:27
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*See's 1000+ new posts* What happened?
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Oct 2, 2016 08:33
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Ash Crimson posted:*See's 1000+ new posts* What happened? Trump Tax Returns discovered, he lost a billion dollars and may not have been paying any taxes at all for two decades.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:35
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To clarify it's the first page of a tax return from 1995. It already set the media on fire, imagine having all of it up to 2016? Luigi Thirty posted:You know how people are like "you can't just run Generic Democrat?" Tim Kaine is Generic Democrat. Yeah, Kaine getting any neutral-to-positive exposure should be a boon to the Democratic campaign since Clinton's unfavourables are still so steep.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:36
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Here, have some good non-Trump news, if it wasn't posted and I missed it: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/politics/alabama-chief-justice-suspended/ Alabama's chief justice Roy Moore, the shithead judge who tried to continue enforcing a state level SSM ban, is suspended without pay from his position on the bench (again) for the rest of his term. He can't run for re-election when his term ends because he'll be too old. Get hosed you lovely old bigot.  Crows Turn Off posted:Does Kaine have much debating experience? I know he's been a good politician, and he's just generally a good guy, but will this translate to a winning debate? Pence is a god drat moron and a horrible person, but he's also been a politician for a long time, so I don't think he'll be as vulnerable or off-message as Trump. Kaine can ask Pence to justify Trump at the top of the ticket, and Pence's own support for him.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:37
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GalacticAcid posted:lovely Governor Power Rankings have Sam Brownback and Scott Walker up top. I feel like Rick Snyder should at least get an honorable mention.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:40
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Evil Fluffy posted:Here, have some good non-Trump news, if it wasn't posted and I missed it: I expect Alabama to quickly adopt an amendment to the state constitution removing a mandatory retirement age from the state supreme court. Note that in Alabama the state constitution gives the state legislature wide-ranging powers to meddle directly with certain (majority minority) counties, and for this reason it's the longest constitution in the world, because it's full of hundreds of tiny and very specific amendments to gently caress black people and their right to local democracy over.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:42
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Antti posted:I expect Alabama to quickly adopt an amendment to the state constitution removing a mandatory retirement age from the state supreme court. That or he'll run for Governor.
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Oct 2, 2016 08:43
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I wonder how close the vetting for questions and questioners for the second debate is. Gallup ostensibly has a selection of undecided voters that the moderators will then screen and interview before being allowed on national television. My two worries are: 1) What kind of people will we find in the sample of undecideds, at this point? 2) How easy would it be for a determined alt-righter to make their way to the debate and ask an unscreened tin-foil conspiracy question or something amazingly rude from Clinton in an attempt to throw her off? The second one seems like a reach to me, but I hope they prepare for "audience member goes completely nuts" because you can't react to that the same way you can to Trump spouting nonsense. Hopefully unless Clinton responds in kind the story out of it would be "crazy person ruins debate", not "Clinton is taken by surprise by a man of the people."
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Trump's campaign trying to play the moral high ground of not using dubiously-obtained documents during a campaign is pretty hilarious considering their past attitude about hacking the DNC Also re: civility in politics, in Jackson's day senators were killed in duels with other senators Augus fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Antti posted:I wonder how close the vetting for questions and questioners for the second debate is. The questions are going to be screened enough that "Senator Clinton, why did you murder Vince Foster?" isn't going to get on.
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