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 The end is nigh. Not quite nigh enough since the government is still open, I suppose, but there are only 38 days left to Election Day, which is as good as the end of things as we know them. Let us celebrate as we stare into the maw of the abyss that is USPOL October.  A Short FAQ Before we get to the good stuff, there have been a number of new people posting in USPOL over the past few months, so I feel it’s necessary to preemptively answer some common questions.
Trump Campaign Advent Calendar (NEW! Oct 8) Because this seems to be changing hourly, we might as well have a table of everything Trump's done wrong this month.  This calendar should automatically update every 6 hours based on changes to a post by itsnickk on Reddit whose table I unabashedly copy; head there to actually have followable links. (h/t Party Plane Jones)  114th Congress Bingo Card No more congressional action until the lame duck session. So let’s review what our wonderful Congress has managed to do this month.
 Other News Featuring the Clinton Corner It is official. InfoWars now confirms: Hillary is dying One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Democratic Party when Breitbart confirmed that Hillary Clinton’s vote share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all voters. Coming on the heels of a recent InfoWars survey which plainly states that Hillary Clinton has lost more voter share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Hillary is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by coming dead last in a recent poll of millennials which asked which candidate would do best at regulating Wall Street. Suffice to say, I think it’s obvious that you should dehumanize yourself and face to Trump. Anyway, on with the other news…
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Related threads "US Politics" is an incredibly broad topic, as A) the country is freaking huge and B) given our role in international events pretty much everything impacts us. So there are other subthreads 2016 Presidential Primary 2016 US Senate Elections SCOTUS thread Right Wing Media There are also regional subthreads that are usually pretty slow, but sometimes cross-pollinate with this thread when something important is happening. Pacific Northwest Illinois Texas California Lifted the rest of the above from FriedChicken. As before post suggestions for adding to the above and I'll edit them in if I see them. And remember folks, drink chat goes in D&D chat thread. Drink responsibly. Your liver will thank you.  
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I don't know if this was posted in the other thread or not, but the San Diego Union Tribune has endorsed Hillary Clinton, after never endorsing a Democrat in its 148 year history.
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I enjoy that corncobbing is in the OP now.
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Other than being owned, corncobbing is totally some weird filthy sex act, right?
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Continued from the previous thread:Dicky mouse posted:Remember prestors jane's predictions? I asked PJ about this. Seeing as she's reliably predicted the arc of the election over and over again I thought I'd ask her what she thought a Trump loss would look like. When I asked her this was her prediction: quote:Between now and the election I expect Trump to be more Trump than ever, with a general trend of increasing Trumpiness. Last night was a huge deal for him, 100 million people watching him live. It should have been the single biggest dose of Supply he has ever gotten, but instead he was publicly laughed at and is enduring endless taunting and provocation from all angles. So imagine a hardcore addict that just scored the purest heroin ever only to have it stolen from him right before he got to shoot up and you can imagine the kind of over-riding outrage and roiling hatred that is consuming Donald right now. I imagine behind the scenes he is throwing toddler-like tantrums (shouting, swearing, tears of rage, violently destroying valuable possessions) that are probably pretty terrifying to his campaign staff. To me, a trained political scientist, this is a hard pill to swallow. The only thing that gets me to accept this as a possibility is that PJ has been reliably correct over and over again. I had no idea where this election was going or why it got where it was for months. We'd all just arrive at bizarre outcomes over and over again and the only person who I've found (so far and so far in the past) who has predicted the election with any degree of sustained accuracy has been PJ. I went back and read some of her earlier predictions. It seemed crazy at the time. The above seems crazy to me now, but not out of the question like I thought just a few months ago. It's my belief that Trump is a mentally ill person who believes his own bullshit and has ridden a political wave to where he is now. If I accept PJ's prediction as true then enough crazy people are going to listen to Trump that if/when he loses that there are going to be sporadic acts of right wing terrorism. My original prediction was that time would be the greatest limiting factor as we're now just shy of a month away. While that might not mean a Mondale wipeout, him acting like a crazy person and inciting his followers to violence doesn't have such a strict time limit on it as people are still going to listen to him, though the remaining ones are going to grow increasingly angry and disconnected from reality as each event of violence leaves fewer and fewer of them. The reason why I think it'll fizzle out in the end is that like TapTheForwardAssist said, people are mostly comfortable right now. They're going to be angry, but only the craziest true believers will do anything about it. The rest will just talk poo poo. TapTheForwardAssist posted:The economy is okay-ish, food prices are attainable, emergency medical care available, and broadly speaking a good chunk of the population are able to eat and have internet by one means or another. While individuals may exist with a perfect storm of "wife leaving me and taking the kids, got fired, out of funds and creditors calling, own guns, underlying mental issues, and I hate Hillary", the overall body of people are comfortable enough that they aren't going to risk it all stirring up serious poo poo. While you have some Bin Laden/Bundy folks who are willing to risk danger despite their privileged position, they're a pretty small cadre. If all of this happens as laid out though it means we're heading for a political realignment. Trump is the result (some may say end result, but I'm not convinced) of the GOP and the right feeding their voters a steady diet of fear, hate and paranoia for generations. Most politicians never believed this. Those that did were outliers. But their voters did, or at least enough of them. Dogwhistle racism is not only a way to be racist without being called one, but dogwhistling is also a training tool. It helps prepare for actual commands. Trump went from dogwhistle racism to actual racism and his followers are eating it up because "he tells it like it is" and "isn't afraid to be politically incorrect". My only hope is that if PJ is correct, that it goes further, smashes the GOP and we can have a total realignment. The GOP in a few years becomes a party that I could see myself voting for because they're no longer racist, sexist, homophobic, wealth hording or bedroom invading. Maybe they're a little lovely, but I'd no longer be trapped voting for democrats because they're not totally incompetent and abusive. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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lozzle posted:I don't know if this was posted in the other thread or not, but the San Diego Union Tribune has endorsed Hillary Clinton, after never endorsing a Democrat in its 148 year history. It was. And they aren't the only ones. As noted in an article in the OP:
Someone in the last thread made a list of the four(!) newspapers that endorsed Trump. Three are owned by his buddies (including the National Enquirer) and one is in Santa Barbara. That's just about it.
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And so begins my 28th October, in which Donald J. Trump continues to cuck himself 
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Ice Phisherman posted:Continued from the previous thread: Sup fellow trained Poli Sci goon! (Grad student or are you a prof by now?) I agree with you - I think PJ has the psychology down, but overestimates his influence and ability to actually raise a stink post-election. Especially if Hillary wins by a convincing margin, there's no way Trump incites any violence beyond a very few nuts. Worst he'll do is not concede, maybe demand recounts, and cry foul while everyone laughs at how ridiculous his conspiracies are. It'll help delegitimize Hillary, like the birther movement did Obama, but it won't do much more than that. There was a good article someone posted in the last iteration of the thread, that noted that while we might not see a real change in the party system or realignment in that sense, we might see a policy realignment as Dems adopt free trade and policies that benefit minorities and wealthy/educated urban city dwellers, while the Republicans persist in the rural areas (south and midwest), fighting between the two for the suburbs and exurbs. Anyone predicting the demise of the GOP is just wrong. All it takes is one recession, one major fuckup by Hillary or the Dems, or one dogwhistler who can control himself and sell himself as a center-right moderate (like W did) and the Republicans will be back in charge. They've got the house on lockdown until at least 2022, and will probably do well enough in 2020 to maintain their gerrymandered advantage.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:It is official. InfoWars now confirms: Hillary is dying 
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Ice Phisherman posted:Continued from the previous thread: I had my own posts on this subject in the last thread, though I'm nowhere near as familiar with this as Prester Jane or people actually trained in this so take their word on this over mine. I just hope that, if more Malheurs happen after the election, that they go, well, more or less like the first one did, minus the damage to sacred native land and artifacts and stuff. I posted:Most of Y'all Qaeda was also too chickenshit to actually do anything when the poo poo hit the fan; the moment the FBI dropped the hammer, almost all of them surrendered and went home. The only exceptions were Finicum (who was probably panicking and/or legitimately thought he could escape/shoot his way out, and was also a special level of awful person, what with his effective child slavery and all) and the poor guy at the end who, in addition to already having mental issues and being depressed, was primarily left behind because the other assholes couldn't stand him and pushed him out of the vehicle as they left, leaving him suicidal after everything collapsed and he spent several days trapped with the other three remaining assholes (who likewise caved pretty easily for all their harsh words). And I guess the Bundy father perhaps, but he didn't get a chance to do anything because he was an idiot who took a plane and was nabbed at the airport because he had no protection or guns after disembarking. As a whole, the movement got together, felt empowered by their guns and numbers, threw their weight around as long as they met no resistance, and then crumbled the moment real consequences (beyond destroying their insides with lovely food and crapping in a hole outside) loomed. Bonus me and EHF making fun of Bundy and Finicum: quote:
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wow new thread first page I read you every night to fall asleep. I skipped ahead to the debate and worried I might run out of new posts. Silly me Factsareuseless did you get that Lowered Expectations gif made
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lozzle posted:I don't know if this was posted in the other thread or not, but the San Diego Union Tribune has endorsed Hillary Clinton, after never endorsing a Democrat in its 148 year history. Improvements at the UT. I was in San Diego for a few days two weeks ago, and reading the paper reminded me why the UT was fit for papering the kitty boxes of many a household, without nary a glance. Thank god they don't employ Ruben Navarrette anymore. That guy would be an apologist for a latino Holocaust so long as the Republicans perpetrated it.
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I made a longer post following up on that that I submitted after the thread got closed and it lost, but basically they're welfare queens to the core Their industry and the land they raise their heavily subsidized cattle on wouldn't exist without enormous government subsidies. So it's esp funny when they want to destroy revenue positive things like tourist spots to graze their cattle. The west isn't about cows anymore, and beef is a luxury good subsidized to be affordable Plus Bundy's cattle were so vermin infested and feral that his neighbors had to get extra vaccines for their cattle if they wanted the beef to be salable lmao Some fucjing shepherd of God's creation
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ComradeCosmobot posted:[*]Jesus loving Christ, what is wrong with the police? Too many witnesses to kill, too many cameras to confiscate, too many apps to livestream. They can no longer obfuscate their actions. viva la revolucion
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JosefStalinator posted:Sup fellow trained Poli Sci goon! (Grad student or are you a prof by now?) Hey fellow PS goon.  Neither. Four year degree only. Didn't have the cash or the will to keep going. Bounced around for a few years at lovely jobs, read a lot of literature to stay current and keep my skills from rusting and I've lost 30 pounds in order to get into the military which was actually surprisingly easy when I developed the right methods. I figure if I'm alive and mentally in-tact by the end I'll be able to continue my education, stay in and make a career of it or both. It'll be weird as a 31 year old man entering with mostly teens and twenty-somethings, but whatever. This is what graduating at the beginning of the great recession looked like for people like me unless they were well connected or lucky. I had the option to go into the military then but I wasn't ready for it. I also did not want to go to Iraq. When I got out it was from a middling-fair school with very little debt as costs for college hadn't skyrocketed yet (most of my debt came from the last year), but there were no jobs in my field and all of my internship opportunities at places I wanted to be went poof. A few years of not being able to get my foot in the door made my degree increasingly ornamental as even make-work jobs were difficult to get back then. Hoping the military can help me get my life back on track, back into education and onto a path for success. quote:I agree with you - I think PJ has the psychology down, but overestimates his influence and ability to actually raise a stink post-election. Especially if Hillary wins by a convincing margin, there's no way Trump incites any violence beyond a very few nuts. Worst he'll do is not concede, maybe demand recounts, and cry foul while everyone laughs at how ridiculous his conspiracies are. It'll help delegitimize Hillary, like the birther movement did Obama, but it won't do much more than that. I agree in part, but you don't need a ton of people to initiate domestic terrorism. You just need a hard knot of true believers who are armed, crazy and ready to act. There won't be armed insurrections. There probably will be sporadic, armed violence in this scenario. Not organized revolt. Or if it is organized it will be small and around other demagogue types. I don't think the GOP will die. If that happens poo poo is way worse than any of us anticipated. I do think that the GOP will win in 2020, or come very close. People will remember how loving awful this election was and will run someone with a winning smile and be as boring as possible or the tea party folks will double down on someone Trump-like and it's nutballs all over again, though toned down enough that the suburbs will vote for that person. My bet is on Cruz in that case. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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For the first page: Republicans have garbage ideas and are garbage people.
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This thread title is garbage, we were promised Prester Jane vindication
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If you havent already, head on down to GiP where there is plenty of advice and tips to be had. With your degree I hope you went Officer, if not then keep the end in sight. E: November better be Prester Jane vindication month.
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berserker posted:This thread title is garbage, we were promised Prester Jane vindication yeah this title blows
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berserker posted:This thread title is garbage, we were promised Prester Jane vindication
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Stereotype posted:For the first page: Republicans have garbage ideas and are garbage people. "You only believe this, because you are a lazy millenial with to much privileges and everyone you hold dear is a pigfucker. Who would trust Stereotype anyway? They are in a porn video. Just search for it! Trump/Pence 2016 it's going to be huge! Like the best. Imagine a big thing and then another big thing and then this is even bigger than that." Just imagine I'd be posting from a New York time zone. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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I had my fingers crossed for USPOL Oct: The vindication of Prester Jane by the Corncob Donald Trump, but Trumpelthinskin is nice.
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berserker posted:This thread title is garbage, we were promised Prester Jane vindication Wait for November. It should be the grand finale.
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JosefStalinator posted:Anyone predicting the demise of the GOP is just wrong. All it takes is one recession, one major fuckup by Hillary or the Dems, or one dogwhistler who can control himself and sell himself as a center-right moderate (like W did) and the Republicans will be back in charge. They've got the house on lockdown until at least 2022, and will probably do well enough in 2020 to maintain their gerrymandered advantage. I think this may be a bit too pessimistic mate. It seems more likely that the current crop of Republican voters will continue to vote themselves into obscurity over the next several years. If they remain "do nothings" then eventually the people of the districts will just start trying to throw out weirder and weirder people, until they can't even function as a sub section of a party.
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Sensible Thursday posted:Can't wait for Trump to cite the media's response to this as proof of bias. Would that make sense? This tweet is quite clearly from her hard working campaign staff. Literally no one had any doubts that Trumps nightly tweets where personally written by him.
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Repeating a post from the old thread. I hope Trump meltsdown enough that he gets a hand en--bigglying operation soon. Can't make fun of his tiny hands if they're giant. e:grammar typos PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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vorebane posted:I had my fingers crossed for USPOL Oct: The vindication of Prester Jane by the Corncob Donald Trump, but Trumpelthinskin is nice. HPanda posted:Wait for November. It should be the grand finale. That really would be a perfect title to end this shitshow. Epic High Five posted:Hillary's social media team are rising rapidly through the ranks and will be a terror for decades to come I'm kind of skeptical of how well Clinton will do in 2020, but if her social media team continues to improve its trolling game, that'll be a great asset.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Would that make sense? This tweet is quite clearly from her hard working campaign staff. Literally no one had any doubts that Trumps nightly tweets where personally written by him. Right, this is why I can't wait for it.
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Huh, I knew about the corncob tweet but I thought that was referencing something itself and not a spontaneous random phrase. Anything super-critical happen in the last 100 pages of September? I got behind and could never catch up, so I checked the debate coverage and the day after then gave up. Excited about Zika funding, since I live in the swamps it's currently festering in.
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I just realized how many people are going to dress up as Donald Trump and carry around a blowup doll labeled Hillary at parties this Halloween.
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Josef bugman posted:I think this may be a bit too pessimistic mate. It seems more likely that the current crop of Republican voters will continue to vote themselves into obscurity over the next several years. If they remain "do nothings" then eventually the people of the districts will just start trying to throw out weirder and weirder people, until they can't even function as a sub section of a party. Why? Republicans have been doing just fine on the congressional level (senate and house) doing nothing and blindly opposing everything the Dems do. Literally no one understands that except people who already won't vote for them ever. All they need is a big shock to the economy/terrorist attack to get moron undecided voters on board, or choose someone who isn't completely insane, and they've got a solid shot at taking the Presidency and keeping their house/senate advantage. I mean, if Trump can even get close to and maybe even briefly lead or tie Hillary, I see no reason why a Kasich or some other generic "moderate" Republican couldn't pull it off.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:
Actually, they only advocated against Trump the article posted:Nor does this editorial represent unqualified support for Hillary Clinton, who has her own flaws (though hers are far less likely to threaten national security or lead to a constitutional crisis). The Editorial Board does not have a consensus for a Clinton endorsement.
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