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big boi
Jun 11, 2007

Can I get a recap of what the hell happened yesterday?

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VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

big boi posted:

Can I get a recap of what the hell happened yesterday?

NY Times got ahold of some old Trump tax documents, showing he declared a nearly 1-billion dollar loss in 1995, and probably hasn't paid taxes for twenty years.

Trump continued to lose his mind.

Pillowpants
Aug 5, 2006
Can you imagine what game change 3 will look like? It's going to be a 2000 page epic novel at this point

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Pillowpants posted:

Can you imagine what game change 3 will look like? It's going to be a 2000 page epic novel at this point

A Song of IRS and Liar?

I dunno. :effort:

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich
People like Giuliani and Trump and this campaign in general are exactly why I put very little stock into people who claim to principle and morals.

Morals are so completely malleable.

smg77
Apr 27, 2007
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/782584559196114944
New Mexico is feeling the Johnson

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

sean10mm posted:

A Song of IRS and Liar?

I dunno. :effort:

a song of iris and you're fired

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

how does that make assange better?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

This is the only state that makes sense to feel the Johnson since they actually did elect him governor twice.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

VanSandman posted:

NY Times got ahold of some old Trump tax documents, showing he declared a nearly 1-billion dollar loss in 1995, and probably hasn't paid taxes for twenty years.

Trump continued to lose his mind.
My mom is absolutely terrified of trump and when that broke she called and woke me up to freak out about it. I mean we both know how much of a shitbag he is of course but this...this is amazing. And of course Guiliani is calling him a genius for gaming the system. It's unbelievable that there's still people supporting either of these two nutjobs anymore. Trump is actually crazy and Guiliani is a moustache-twirling cartoon villain now.

Lord Hydronium
Sep 25, 2007

Non, je ne regrette rien


If we're going to go the "fiduciary responsibility" route, wouldn't losing a billion dollars in a year outweigh whatever was saved in tax?

Coheed and Camembert
Feb 11, 2012

Pillowpants posted:

Can you imagine what game change 3 will look like? It's going to be a 2000 page epic novel at this point

When the earth recovers from nuclear winter and the next civilization arises and discovers what works humans have created, they will find The Bible and Game Change 3. poo poo's gonna top the NYT Best Sellers for years.

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/782601593682354180

That's the reporter that found the docs in her mailbox, by the way.

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

botany posted:

how does that make assange better?

Because he's not a president of the United States :v:

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Coheed and Camembert posted:

When the earth recovers from nuclear winter and the next civilization arises and discovers what works humans have created, they will find The Bible and Game Change 3. poo poo's gonna top the NYT Best Sellers for years.

That book, and Obama's post-presidential memoir, are instant-buys for me.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006
For the record,

Grundulum on Facebook posted:



Extremely cynical Bernie-to-Stein friend posted:

unfortunately he underestimated the american media's attention to governmental indiscretions in favor of trump articles and kardashian news

This is the guy who complains constantly (as above) about how horrible a person Hillary Clinton is, but believes Assange can do no wrong as he tries to take her down. There's something ironic about that, I'm pretty sure.

Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006

you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

VanSandman posted:

That book, and Obama's post-presidential memoir, are instant-buys for me.

500+ pages of a middle fingers.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

ParliamentOfDogs posted:

A coworker was drunk texting me last night a surprisingly involved essay comparing Donald Trump to Hercule and Hannity to the little reporter who follows him around.

That's unfair to Hercule. Hercule is a nice guy at heart and helped beat Cell and Buu.

And then he gave the Goku family free money so they can live comfortably .

Also for a "normal" normal human he's actually strong.

Chriswizard
May 6, 2007
New York Times Insider piece on the tax returns:

quote:


Times Insider delivers behind-the-scenes insights into how news, features and opinion come together at The New York Times. In this article, Susanne Craig, a Times Metro reporter who covers government and politics, reveals one of the lesser-known benefits of “snail mail.”

My colleagues make fun of my old-fashioned devotion to my mailbox.

It’s about 30 feet from my desk — among all the other third-floor employees’ mailboxes — and I check it constantly, always hoping a tipster will have sent me some revealing letter or secret document.

In Metro, we get a lot of junk mail, and are regularly flooded with correspondence from prisoners in New York’s penitentiaries.

But Friday, Sept. 23, was different.

I walked to my mailbox and spotted a manila envelope, postmarked New York, NY, with a return address of The Trump Organization. My heart skipped a beat.

I have been on the hunt for Donald J. Trump’s tax returns. The Republican presidential nominee has broken with decades-long tradition and refused to make his returns public. I have written extensively about Mr. Trump’s finances, but, like almost every other reporter, I was eager to see his actual returns.

The envelope looked legitimate. I opened it, anxiously, and was astonished.

Inside were what appeared to be pages from Mr. Trump’s 1995 tax records, containing detailed figures that revealed his tax strategies. Almost immediately, I walked over to the desk of David Barstow — a three-time Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter and my teammate in the quest for Mr. Trump’s tax returns.

He was on the phone. I waved the tax documents in front of him. He abruptly ended the call with whomever he was talking to.

We cleared out the investigations team conference room and, with our colleagues Megan Twohey and Russ Buettner, started drawing up a battle plan.

We obsessed over the documents, the envelope, the postmark, the date on the postmark — everything. We even checked every other mailbox on the third floor — and there are hundreds of them — in case the tipster had mailed additional documents to any other reporter.

We then came up with a list of people who could confirm the veracity of the tax records. The list was short.

Next, we set out to develop a portrait of Mr. Trump’s finances from the period in question, to see if we could support what the documents showed — that he had taken a huge loss in 1995 that could have allowed him to avoid paying federal income taxes for nearly two decades.

We were skeptical as we examined the tax records, though much of the information looked accurate. They were signed by Mr. Trump’s wife at the time, Marla Maples, and by Mr. Trump, whose recognizable handwriting renders his signature in jagged, oversized letters. Other details matched up.

But, of course, we needed a lot more before we could publish an article.

We were initially thrown off by a quirk in the records noticed by Megan Twohey: On the line on which Mr. Trump had reported his huge loss — of $915,729,293 — the first two digits did not line up with the next seven. Could the document have been doctored, we wondered?

We hired tax experts to guide us through the math. We researched the 1995 tax code. We reached out to anyone who might have viewed Mr. Trump’s records during that period.

But the breakthrough came when David Barstow traveled to Florida and tracked down Jack Mitnick, the semiretired accountant who had prepared and signed Mr. Trump’s tax returns.

Mr. Mitnick was initially reluctant to talk, but he eventually agreed to meet David in a bagel shop.

In a conversation there, Mr. Mitnick not only said that the records appeared to be authentic, he also solved the mystery of the digits that did not line up. It turned out that the tax preparation software he had used did not allow him to enter a loss of nine figures. So, he recalled, he had to manually enter the first two digits, using an IBM Selectric typewriter.

We did more reporting that broadened our picture of Mr. Trump’s finances at the time, and reached out to additional sources. By Saturday — eight days after I had first opened the envelope — we were ready to go to the Trump campaign with our findings. Mr. Trump, through his spokeswoman, did not challenge or confirm the tax records, but he threatened us with legal action if we were to publish them.

We felt confident that our reporting was correct. On Saturday night, about 9:10 p.m., we were all in the newsroom when our article was posted on nytimes.com. It instantly drew a flood of readers. People were fascinated not only by the story, but also with how we had gotten it. Why did the tipster send the documents to me, of all the reporters out there? Probably because I wrote an exhaustive examination of Mr. Trump’s $650 million of debt in August that drew millions of readers.

The whole experience has left me eager to share a bit of advice with my fellow reporters: Check your mailboxes. Especially nowadays, when people are worried that anything sent by email will leave forensic fingerprints, “snail mail” is a great way to communicate with us anonymously.

And a note to tipsters out there: If you want to send me anything, on any subject, my mailbox is open. The address is 620 Eighth Avenue, 3rd floor, New York, NY, 10018.

You can bet I will be checking it.

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Redgrendel2001 posted:

500+ pages of a middle fingers.

Titled "Let Me Be Clear"

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Endorph posted:

a song of iris and you're fired

A Song of Whites and Ire

Demon Of The Fall
May 1, 2004

Nap Ghost
How can anyone say Trump not paying taxes is a good thing and he should be lauded for it? These are the things that pay for schools, firefighters, cops, infrastructure improvements. Has this been mentioned to dumb Trump supporters? Is anyone on camera saying they like that money is being withheld from schools and firefighters?

try the new taco place
Jan 4, 2004

hey mister... can u play drums while I sing and play plastic guitar???

He's not a good guy either!

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
I showed my somewhat naive conservative roommate all the insane poo poo that's come out about Trump in the last week and he basically said he's no longer interested in voting :getin:

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Demon Of The Fall posted:

How can anyone say Trump not paying taxes is a good thing and he should be lauded for it? These are the things that pay for schools, firefighters, cops, infrastructure improvements. Has this been mentioned to dumb Trump supporters? Is anyone on camera saying they like that money is being withheld from schools and firefighters?

Yeah, I'd like to know whether it was a campaign decision to lean into this one or Trump insisting. It obviously comes across very poorly. During the debate, even his own base reacted very negatively to the "I am smart" moment that this is all based on.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Demon Of The Fall posted:

How can anyone say Trump not paying taxes is a good thing and he should be lauded for it? These are the things that pay for schools, firefighters, cops, infrastructure improvements. Has this been mentioned to dumb Trump supporters? Is anyone on camera saying they like that money is being withheld from schools and firefighters?

Have you talked to a Republican lately? Taxes are literally slavery and all public institutions should be abolished to make way for the much more competent private sector. *watches home burn to the ground because fire service fee was late this month*

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Demon Of The Fall posted:

How can anyone say Trump not paying taxes is a good thing and he should be lauded for it? These are the things that pay for schools, firefighters, cops, infrastructure improvements. Has this been mentioned to dumb Trump supporters? Is anyone on camera saying they like that money is being withheld from schools and firefighters?

Most conservatives don't see taxes as an investment in common wealth like infrastructure, police, schools, firefighters, etc. They see them as a personal loss taken only from them and not from anyone else, that gets wasted by government bureaucrats or given to black people.

Not paying taxes is virtuous to a lot of people because it denies the government money to be wasted.

This is an insane opinion but one shared by literally tens of millions of Americans.

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer

PhazonLink posted:

That's unfair to Hercule. Hercule is a nice guy at heart and helped beat Cell and Buu.

And then he gave the Goku family free money so they can live comfortably .

Also for a "normal" normal human he's actually strong.

yeah I thought he was the strongest human who didn't have supernatural help.

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Radish posted:

Have you talked to a Republican lately? Taxes are literally slavery and all public institutions should be abolished to make way for the much more competent private sector. *watches home burn to the ground because fire service fee was late this month*

*watches all businesses fail in 20 years because the free market only bothered getting the richest 20% past a reading level high enough to agree to a payday loan*

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

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vyelkin posted:

This is the only state that makes sense to feel the Johnson since they actually did elect him governor twice.

Even then nearly a quarter of the vote seems way too high. I could buy 15. Gonna be interesting on Nov 9th.

lozzle
Oct 22, 2012

by zen death robot
Mr. Satan gets a bad rap. He is basically a good guy even if he has a Trump-sized ego.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Chriswizard posted:

New York Times Insider piece on the tax returns:

This is my new favourite thing in an election season of favourite things:

quote:

In a conversation there, Mr. Mitnick not only said that the records appeared to be authentic, he also solved the mystery of the digits that did not line up. It turned out that the tax preparation software he had used did not allow him to enter a loss of nine figures. So, he recalled, he had to manually enter the first two digits, using an IBM Selectric typewriter.

Also whoever sent it was right on the money, a letter is a lot harder to trace than email, especially if you don't want the Feds to track you down for whatever you are doing. The IRS keeps all these things on file, right? So it could be an IRS employee.

white sauce
Apr 29, 2012

by R. Guyovich

try the new taco place posted:

He's not a good guy either!

Every time I see him and he's so thin, sickly and skeletal my heart warms up a bit. He's a piece of poo poo :v:

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Every time I see him and he's so thin, sickly and skeletal my heart warms up a bit. He's a piece of poo poo :v:

Vinegar's a preservative. Everyone in Florida would be relieved if Rick Scott, who always seems to get left off worst governor lists for reasons unclear to me, just dropped dead but that sadly seems unlikely.

rrradical
Nov 4, 2011
In the 'Family Feud' SNL sketch, they refer to Trumps kids as 'children of the corn'. Not sure if that's a corncob reference, but if it is they'll earn back years of my lost respect.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/celebrity-family-feud-political-edition/3108907

Jackson Taus
Oct 19, 2011

Antti posted:

Also whoever sent it was right on the money, a letter is a lot harder to trace than email, especially if you don't want the Feds to track you down for whatever you are doing. The IRS keeps all these things on file, right? So it could be an IRS employee.

Access is controlled and audited - it's recorded exactly which agent looks at whose returns.

Crain posted:

You're really over thinking it.

1) you don't need every machine. If there's only 5 machines then just hitting one of them means you've taken away the vote of potentially 20% of the people voting at that polling place.

2) You don't even need to be a voter, you can just sign up to be an election judge. I did it in January. All they asked me was for proof I lived in the district and was over 18. If you're there you can just go up to the machines and pop in the usb drive.

3) Since the attack vector is just a bit of code probably less than a MB, you can just freely distribute it. You don't even need a truely coordinated effort. There's enough idiots out there who'd be willing to "troll" the election for Russian. I wouldn't put this past /pol/.

4) You don't need to hit every district, nor even every precinct, or even every polling station in a precinct. People have long since analyzed what areas are the most crucial to a given campaign. What do you think Obama and Hillary's GOTV effort is? They're not trying to get everyone to vote. They're targeting exactly the districts and precincts they need. It would work the same with for an attack.

Few pages late, but I just want to point out that the fewer machines you hit, the easier the variance is to notice. Campaigns are going to know which precincts are red or blue, so if a handful of blue precincts come in bright red, that's gonna be a pretty severe hint that something's up. If you want to move the needle by 3% statewide and you're only touching 10% of precincts, you need to move those precincts by an obviously detectable 30%. So you wind up needing to hit something like a third or half of the precincts before it's less recognizable. (Obviously you could always make a smaller adjustment, but then you risk losing despite the rigging or not having needed the rigging to win).

canepazzo
May 29, 2006



rrradical posted:

In the 'Family Feud' SNL sketch, they refer to Trumps kids as 'children of the corn'. Not sure if that's a corncob reference, but if it is they'll earn back years of my lost respect.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/celebrity-family-feud-political-edition/3108907

It's probably about the Stephen King short story, "Children of the corn", where the kids in a town go all crazy fundamentalist (even though they're actually worshipping a demon) and kill all adults.

lozzle
Oct 22, 2012

by zen death robot

try the new taco place
Jan 4, 2004

hey mister... can u play drums while I sing and play plastic guitar???
There were also 4-5 Children of the Corn movies

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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

try the new taco place posted:

There were also 4-5 Children of the Corn movies

Plus a remake?

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