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APRFFFFFF How easily you throw that one around. Good lawrd.
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maybe if you weren't being misogynist
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Oct 2, 2016 18:18
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Since the thread's been talking about objectification for the last two pages i figure i'd throw my two cents in. I will admit that my base thought pattern when drawing women tends to be a bit too sexualized, i know that's problematic. so what i try to do is diversify the look, body type, skin tone, facial features etc. I'm a 100% positive It's made me a better artist. I don't think the goal should be realism. But i do think it's a good idea for art to be more representational. it means characters can stand out more and their design says more about them. oh and for content:  Started working on this yesterday, not really satisfied with how it turned out so any critique is welcome.
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Oct 2, 2016 19:55
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Troposphere posted:but women without big boobs and tiny waists are boring, the biggest art sin You know I agree with what you've said but I have to say its really weird to hear coming from someone with a Widowmaker avatar. Cause that character seems like the perfect example of a boring sexualized design that was made to appeal primarily to men. VVV The fact that she was kidnapped and brainwashed into becoming that character kind of removes all her agency though. If it wasn't for that part I wouldn't find the character so creepy. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Oct 2, 2016 20:32
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I'll let her speak for herself, and you have a point, BUT Widowmaker is a classic femme fatale archetype character who owns her sexuality in addition to being there for eye candy (which is also true!). In my opinion, Overwatch is a good example of how to do a sexy woman character better, especially considering she's one of several women in the game, most of which represent a broader range of archetypes (even if they are all pin-up cuties in their own ways). Overwatch is the game that lets you play as a badass middle-eastern mom sniper, after all.
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Oct 2, 2016 20:41
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Internet Kraken posted:You know I agree with what you've said but I have to say its really weird to hear coming from someone with a Widowmaker avatar. Cause that character seems like the perfect example of a boring sexualized design that was made to appeal primarily to men. I was saving this point for a later argument  But then I think she's in the same boat with men as she is a lesbian. Wait, actually Troposphere what the gently caress
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Oct 2, 2016 20:44
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I mean, to go back to the robot game, like, that character literally doesn't have face. It's literal objectification.
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Oct 2, 2016 20:49
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I'm actually more interested in hearing how Widowmaker is okay but Nico Robin isn't.
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Oct 2, 2016 20:51
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OmanyteJackson posted:Since the thread's been talking about objectification for the last two pages i figure i'd throw my two cents in. I will admit that my base thought pattern when drawing women tends to be a bit too sexualized, i know that's problematic. so what i try to do is diversify the look, body type, skin tone, facial features etc. I'm a 100% positive It's made me a better artist. I think it's cute. There are 3 things I would concentrate on. Rule of thirds: place the eyes at the top third. Your pose already works itself out when you scale it up based on the eyes at that spot. Just a bit of space above and below the figure (in this case that counts the umbrella) I extended the door outward after centering the figure so that it would be framed evenly on both sides. Start putting down darks from there, and remember to place them around the image to tie it together. I would personally also make the mat in front of her knees dark so that she is grounded to the bottom of the image, but that's personal choice. It's also technically correct to make it very dark there, but do what you like.  edit: my tablet died in the middle of this crit lol wtf edit2 fixed. The USB cable had worn connectors and a new cable works just fine. Anagram of GINGER fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Oct 2, 2016 21:03
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I like how the fandom took widowmaker, a pretty dumb character, and made her extremely good, and gay. she also has smaller boobs as far as video game ladies go and they look like mine and I enjoy that  I hate when people draw her with big ol titties it's very no bueno
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Oct 2, 2016 21:46
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her default skin is pretty bad but that's why cool kids use her huntress skin lol jk cool kids don't play widowmaker at all she's awful
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Oct 2, 2016 21:50
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This is where I do a sexy Widowmaker fanart so Troposphere will like me
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Oct 2, 2016 21:57
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Elsa posted:This is where I do a sexy Widowmaker fanart so Troposphere will like me only if she has small boobs and is also being gay with tracer also lol as much as widowmakers proportions are exaggerated they aren't... this 
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Oct 2, 2016 21:58
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Troposphere posted:only if she has small boobs and is also being gay with tracer would this work as a base? 
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Oct 2, 2016 22:00
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Elsa posted:would this work as a base? needs more murder in the eyes
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Oct 2, 2016 22:02
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Troposphere posted:needs more murder in the eyes well yeah for sure the likeness needs work. It's just a sketch scrap I haven't done anything with. I'm making her gay with Tracer and it's going to say "for Troposphere"
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Oct 2, 2016 22:05
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Elsa posted:well yeah for sure the likeness needs work. It's just a sketch scrap I haven't done anything with. the best thing to come of this thread 💕💕
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Oct 2, 2016 22:05
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Elsa posted:I think it's cute. There are 3 things I would concentrate on.  DUDE! this is so amazingly helpful. thanks
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Oct 2, 2016 22:10
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 we should all gently caress now
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Oct 2, 2016 22:19
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Troposphere posted:only if she has small boobs and is also being gay with tracer
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Oct 2, 2016 23:15
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Scribblehatch posted:You cherrypicked fanart. that's official art from one of the movies my dude here have some more official art  
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Oct 2, 2016 23:21
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Scribblehatch posted:You cherrypicked fanart. wow, look at this fake fan over here, can't even recognize official art when he sees it
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Oct 2, 2016 23:27
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c'mon, the guy's art just straight up doesn't totally 'get' anatomy anyway. I can't think of many instances where the characters look 'correct'. I don't know if One Piece is the best place to look. Also, is it exactly a great point to try and go with japanese artists on this subject? That's a waaaaay different culture and the way they... well, everything, doesn't exactly vibe with western mentality. We could probly do better to pick from european artists if you wanna cross borders.
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Oct 2, 2016 23:28
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Colon Semicolon posted:c'mon, the guy's art just straight up doesn't totally 'get' anatomy anyway. I don't know if One Piece is the best place to look. japanese artists just can't help drawing women lovely it's a cultural thing 
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Oct 2, 2016 23:29
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considering both of you pull from anime for inspiration I'd say it's pretty goddamn relevant
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Oct 2, 2016 23:30
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Even the female artists over there get real into it too y'know I mean c'mon.
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Oct 2, 2016 23:30
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Colon Semicolon posted:Even the female artists over there get real into it too y'know I mean c'mon. yeah all artists in japan do this just like all american artists draw lovely big boobies superhero women maybe consume better japanese media idiot
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Oct 2, 2016 23:31
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Colon Semicolon posted:Even the female artists over there get real into it too y'know I mean c'mon. A lot of people doing something crappy doesn't make it better or even acceptable.
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I suppose I should tell my female friends to stop drawing porn or sexy ladies even though they enjoy that then??? is that what I'm supposed to do here like idgi
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Oct 2, 2016 23:40
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Troposphere, what are they wearing? Can you link me outfit examples
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Oct 2, 2016 23:42
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Yes, it's her outfit from Strong World, a movie where everyone is tacked with this ludicrously garish outfit. Look up some of the others. That image itself was someone's tracing of it. As for the comic itself. 19 pages a week. Those female figures you're seeing are a matter of creating a high-volume story quickly. He can do it quickly from memory without referring to a model sheet. It's no different from the cylindrical shoulders in Jojo that kinda makes them all look like a bunch of action figures. All of the main characters have these goofy wheel shoulders. Otherwise their output would be slower. Internet Kraken posted:A lot of people doing something crappy doesn't make it better or even acceptable.
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Oct 2, 2016 23:42
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Elsa posted:Troposphere, what are they wearing? Can you link me outfit examples   the thing I like about the overwatch women's designs is that even though widowmaker and tracer are both skinny they still have differences in their body types. all the ladies are varied and cover a fairly wide spectrum which is rare and nice to see
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Oct 2, 2016 23:46
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Scribblehatch posted:Yes, it's her outfit from Strong World, a movie where everyone is tacked with this ludicrously garish outfit. Look up some of the others. That image itself was someone's tracing of it. lol yeah as we all know having to make art fast makes you draw all your women like horrible barbie abominations and oh no I chose a vector art tracing of a photo that somehow invalidates it somehow...except she looks exactly the same in all the other pics I posted. I wasn't even talking about her outfit I was talking about her proportions. which they kept ridiculous for the movie despite not having the time constraints of the manga
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Oct 2, 2016 23:49
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Colon Semicolon posted:I suppose I should tell my female friends to stop drawing porn or sexy ladies even though they enjoy that then??? is that what I'm supposed to do here like idgi if they draw them like the one piece ladies maybe you should tell them to look in a mirror sometime or take a figure drawing class
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Troposphere posted:
oh nice choice, I really like the purple of Widowmaker's outfit, especially in that render and in this one  I think Tracer's outfit could use the same type of treatment with the colors.
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Troposphere posted:lol yeah as we all know having to make art fast makes you draw all your women like horrible barbie abominations
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Oct 2, 2016 23:51
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Troposphere posted:if they draw them like the one piece ladies maybe you should tell them to look in a mirror sometime or take a figure drawing class I went to meet a friend at an anime convention cuz she was doing an artist alley booth and her art is pretty much always this sorta thing:  She was even selling this as one of her prints. Like yeah it's not totally correct but it's what she wants to draw. She's doing something she enjoys and what other guys and girls like enough to buy. I have no right to tell her to stop that. What gives you the right to think you should do that? E: yeah tracer is actually a good candidate for being directly a barbie doll. her midsection is rediculously thin. Diabetes Forecast fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Oct 2, 2016 23:56
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Troposphere posted:if they draw them like the one piece ladies maybe you should tell them to look in a mirror sometime or take a figure drawing class Look at any given chapter of One Piece and take note of the unusually high panel-to-page ratio. And how dense each panel tends to be. The quality of the artstyle is going to suffer for decisions like these, but they're decisions made very well. People connect with One Piece, despite it's length.
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Oct 2, 2016 23:58
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Scribblehatch posted:19 pages a week. how come he draws every woman the same but manages to draw an incredibly varied amount of bodies for the male characters, and you can't just say "19 pages a week"
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He's not good at drawing women. I thought that was real obvious honestly. E: I've never read One Piece but isn't a ton of the focus on more of the other characters that aren't the ladies?
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