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Scribblehatch posted:Really? How is Tracer different? her tits aren't hilarious balloons and she has room for her organs she's much less exaggerated in her actual character model as well 
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Troposphere posted:her tits aren't hilarious balloons and she has room for her organs  I mean her midsection isn't exactly far off from the old barbies really? Also they sell her character on her rear end and even the victory pose change they did seemed like it made her rear end even more prominent.
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Oct 3, 2016 00:06
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im glad the conversation is now on overwatch, a game troposphere definitely created herself, instead of on how loving creepy you losers are
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Oct 3, 2016 00:10
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Everyone has interests that don't make sense to others, boy.
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Oct 3, 2016 00:13
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Alaois posted:im glad the conversation is now on overwatch, a game troposphere definitely created herself, instead of on how loving creepy you losers are I manage to derail every thread I post in to be about overwatch it's my gift and my curse
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Oct 3, 2016 00:13
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Colon Semicolon posted:
I think it's her harness making it look like that without it she looks normal  and yeah blizzard likes their butts. but to be fair to them they also focus a weird amount on genjis butt too. they're just butt obsessed
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Oct 3, 2016 00:16
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Scribblehatch posted:19 pages a week. Maybe if he made less pages it would be a better comic, like that's not a good excuse. And yeah the male characters are all exaggerated in ways that are different and unique and he doesn't worry about keeping those liberties within the realm of what's still within shooting distance of conventionally attractive comic book character of that gender. Colon Semicolon posted:He's not good at drawing women. Don't these things kind of strengthen the idea that women are not being represented well, when he doesn't give a poo poo enough about them to draw them well or make them important to the story?
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I don't like design choices made for female characters in both overwatch and one piece. i think you can also like and even enjoy media that has poor choices in female character design, but all of this relies on acknowledging the problems and when you are control of the media (like say ur own art) working to move past that. fixing problems can even be done with media you don't have direct control over, like Troposphere's appreciation of what the overwatch fandom has done to resuscitate black widow's character. This also requires someone to recognize female objectification is real and be aware of what male gaze is in this 2016th year of our anime jesus because seriously wtf.
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Nuns with Guns posted:I don't like design choices made for female characters in both overwatch and one piece. i think you can also like and even enjoy media that has poor choices in female character design, but all of this relies on acknowledging the problems and when you are control of the media (like say ur own art) working to move past that. fixing problems can even be done with media you don't have direct control over, like Troposphere's appreciation of what the overwatch fandom has done to resuscitate black widow's character. This also requires someone to recognize female objectification is real and be aware of what male gaze is in this 2016th year of our anime jesus because seriously wtf. a dead idiot said it didn't exist 20 years ago, get with the times Alaois fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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Oct 3, 2016 00:39
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Nuns with Guns posted:male gaze What absolute twaddle. Imagine the opposite, and how stupid that would sound to you.
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Scribblehatch posted:I honestly thought people left this term for dead. sorry, I won't believe it's "twaddle" or even "ka-ka" unless you are able to link another youtube video from a british misogynist on this matter
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Oct 3, 2016 00:45
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Scribblehatch posted:I honestly thought people left this term for dead. Why should we consider Christopher Hitchens to be an authority on this matter. Why does Oda's schedule mean he can only draw one female body type but vary the types of male bodies. Answer these two questions without being a dismissive shithead about them.
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I'm surprised you haven't moved on to the new made up term yet. Male gaze is one of the funnier ones.
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female gaze is also perfectly possible but prohibitively rare because people that have control over the framing of a shot in a movie/tv show/comic rarely prioritize objectifying a male body in a given scene
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you can enjoy something and also acknowledge its flaws and that is something you have to do often if you want cool strong female characters doing cool things, unfortunately I have a lot of issues with overwatch re: bad character design choices but it's so rare to find cool ladies with various body types and races being badass that I'm willing to forgive them. blizzard also seems to be listening to criticism(with the inclusion of an older woman character) which is nice
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Nuns with Guns posted:female gaze is also perfectly possible but prohibitively rare because people that have control over the framing of a shot in a movie/tv show/comic rarely prioritize objectifying a male body in a given scene Who cares? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc91S11U3eo WHO CARES? Have your fun. A happier society this makes.
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Oct 3, 2016 00:49
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female gaze is absolutely a thing in stuff like yaoi which also weirds me out tbh because it's usually straight women objectifying gay men and that's not cool either imo
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Oct 3, 2016 00:49
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Scribblehatch posted:Rare that people complain about it. Because either one just plain isn't a big deal. Answer my questions you stupid piece of poo poo. You do nothing but bemoan that nobody will engage you and are just trying to "troll" or "intimidate" you but you continually ignore me asking you actual legitimate questions.
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Nuns with Guns posted:female gaze is also perfectly possible but prohibitively rare because people that have control over the framing of a shot in a movie/tv show/comic rarely prioritize objectifying a male body in a given scene Can we talk about Leonardo DiCaprio a bit then cuz hoo boy they loved giving him the hot shots.
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Oct 3, 2016 00:51
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Troposphere posted:female gaze is absolutely a thing in stuff like yaoi which also weirds me out tbh because it's usually straight women objectifying gay men and that's not cool either imo It's FINE. It explores a curiousity. Here's the great news: Jack Thompson was a loving moron who got causality BACKWARDS. Violence has been going down for decades. And in those decades, video games were first born. Fiction is a ventilator. It satisfies curiosities, and doesn't stoke new ones into existence. No, seriously.
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this fuckin guy is deconstructing feminist theories left and right, do compulsory heterosexuality next
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Oct 3, 2016 00:53
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Scribblehatch posted:It's FINE. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said in this conversation except the voices in your head. Answer my questions.
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Oct 3, 2016 00:53
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Humanity used to have plays in which the death of a character meant an actor straight up got killed on stage. now we're at a point where they don't even need actors to make a story about death except for voices. Things continue to get better every day by the way of progress but i don't think small people can change a problem that's caused by entities significantly bigger than us if it continues to sell.
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Oct 3, 2016 00:55
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Scribblehatch posted:Rare that people complain about it. Because either one just plain isn't a big deal. that's not female gaze though, the entire commercial is structured around how powerful and strong deodorant makes those men and look at how women watch them play beach soccer. The closest it comes to female gaze is the last bit with the guy standing up and stretching backwards, but even that's done from a downward angle, as if the viewer is on his/her knees before the deodorant-empowered abs like you make comics, so you must understand how blocking and framing a body conveys certain things about the character and what the audience is supposed to think about the character
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Nuns with Guns posted:the entire commercial is structured around how powerful and strong deodorant makes those men Explain the cover of every single romance novel to me. Y'know, those things men never read. Colon Semicolon posted:Humanity used to have plays in which the death of a character meant an actor straight up got killed on stage. How have I never heard this?
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Oct 3, 2016 00:56
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Colon Semicolon posted:Humanity used to have plays in which the death of a character meant an actor straight up got killed on stage. now we're at a point where they don't even need actors to make a story about death except for voices. are we just playing free association now or did you have a stroke
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Troposphere I changed the pose and stuff. I'm stepping away from this for now to let my eyes refresh. I should have more time after class tomorrow. In fact there's a 3D assignment I'm supposed to have done tonight lol. The lines in the legs could look better to give a better sense of the form, I'll redo that for sure. The faces were just me sketching what I saw in the reference on another monitor. I'll get better refs for the permanent face, probably Widowmaker's visor too. Huge res, kinda not sorry 
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Scribblehatch posted:No no we are not doing the "muscles are a power fantasy; women don't actually like those" argument. i never said anything about muscular men being an exclusively male power fantasy you twit
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I can answer only one of those questions because tbh I have no idea who the gently caress Christopher Hitchens is or why he matters. I don't know enough about One Piece to say much but if Oda draws dudes more and has them more focused on in the story then I get this feeling that he A: doesn't know how to draw women well, which is actually a problem with some manga artists in general which leads to B: he may not enjoy drawing them and just wants to draw goofy characters doing goofy things. C: maybe even both. Not being an expert on that series cuz I don't watch or read it, but the scenes i HAVE seen are almost exclusively focused on making a tense scene with some really silly bullshit happening. I could totally believe that he just doesn't know how to or just doesn't enjoy drawing women. It's even a possibility that publishers can straight up force artists to do different things or make more characters to bring in more readers. Akira Toriyama considers the entire Buu saga non-canon because he was writing a bunch of these scenarios for Piccolo, but publishers pushed him to change the stories to instead focus on Vegeta, a character he openly dislikes. Scribblehatch posted:--Wait what? Roman and Greek theater was brutal as gently caress.
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it's nice that when someone actually provides a rebuttal to one of your videos that you bury your head in the sand while simultaneously making GBS threads and pissing tho
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Colon Semicolon posted:I can answer only one of those questions because tbh I have no idea who the gently caress Christopher Hitchens is or why he matters. I think he enjoys drawing them very much, considering that he married a woman who played Nami in a live show.
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Elsa posted:Troposphere I changed the pose and stuff. I'm stepping away from this for now to let my eyes refresh. I should have more time after class tomorrow. In fact there's a 3D assignment I'm supposed to have done tonight lol. everyone should draw these good good gay girls
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Oct 3, 2016 01:08
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Alaois posted:I think he enjoys drawing them very much, considering that he married a woman who played Nami in a live show. You could say that, but there's actually another scenario entirely that could be true: Liking the actress beforehand and then being adamant about them playing a character. Yoshiyuki Tomino had a major obsession with a specific VA back in the day, and he made a fairy character for Aura Battler Dunbine that he really wanted her to play the role for. well, he wanted to keep her on board for more of his work, so when L-Gaim comes along he made pretty much the EXACT same fairy character just so he could get her to play the role again.
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Troposphere posted:female gaze is absolutely a thing in stuff like yaoi which also weirds me out tbh because it's usually straight women objectifying gay men and that's not cool either imo Yeah I was gonna mention this, being gay and hanging around lots of lady anime nerds in high school was a good way to get a small glimpse into what ladies have to deal with Colon Semicolon posted:Humanity used to have plays in which the death of a character meant an actor straight up got killed on stage. now we're at a point where they don't even need actors to make a story about death except for voices. Dude a bunch of the largest cartoons/comics/whatever at the moment were born from one person who brought their idea to a network or got noticed on tumblr, don't just go with the status quo so you don't have to work harder
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Colon Semicolon posted:He's not good at drawing women. I think the main problem is that fitting the "rules" manga artists use to draw women that are obviously not men makes it really drat hard in his style, given that all of the faces are masculine. Usually this goes the other way, with all the male characters looking feminine. I have a few art reference books from Japanese artists and every one of them has a passage that effectively says LEARN HOW TO DRAW WOMEN FIRST THEN IF YOU WANT TO DRAW A MAN JUST DRAW AN UGLY WOMAN. Also holy poo poo when I clicked on this thread I didn't realize it was going to be to a 4 page derail about how to draw boobs without insulting anyone. Good work guys.
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Wowporn posted:Dude a bunch of the largest cartoons/comics/whatever at the moment were born from one person who brought their idea to a network or got noticed on tumblr, don't just go with the status quo so you don't have to work harder Cartoons and Comics aren't exactly treated as high art and it's a bit easier to get in those areas and do poo poo. (unless you're after making a big name Disney thing in which case good loving luck lol) The fields might never be treated as seriously as live action media, and that's a little sad. When you talk about this you REALLY gotta look at Hollywood and live action entertainment media, which is a loving nightmare in every way about objectification, misogyny, rape, and whatever else you wanna go by. It's a really big mess that barely ever changes or can be changed without being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Even with everything happening right now they still aren't really trying to change, and THAT is aggravating as hell.
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Personally, MY favorite part of the day was when I, a 3d modeler and texture artist, got made fun of for having texture samples on my portfolio. You cards!
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first time is free next time I charge
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Oct 3, 2016 01:26
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Hey, everyone PM me what you think about Elsa.
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mutata posted:Widowmaker is a classic femme fatale archetype character who owns her sexuality in addition to being there for eye candy
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