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Mover posted:Kieron Gillen's Kid Loki run could work. It's collected in two volumes (Journey into Mystery complete collection). Kid Loki is literally my favorite Marvel character ever but it totally doesn't fall in line with what he's asking. To get the full story and Gillen's intentions you kinda have to read the various tie-ins/crossover events that feature Kid Loki, and on top of that Loki's journey doesn't end after JiM considering how internally arc-crucial YA volume 2 and Ewing's AoA run is to Kid Loki. It's definitely a great character-first arc and story, it's just not one that fits neatly into a trade. It's a mess of issues spread out over like six ongoings and two line-wide crossovers.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Kid Loki is literally my favorite Marvel character ever but it totally doesn't fall in line with what he's asking. To get the full story and Gillen's intentions you kinda have to read the various tie-ins/crossover events that feature Kid Loki, and on top of that Loki's journey doesn't end after JiM considering how internally arc-crucial YA volume 2 and Ewing's AoA run is to Kid Loki. There's a New Mutants and a couple of Thor crossovers that are pretty vital, but you get a complete story arc by the end of Journey into Mystery.And you don't need much backstory for him, Either the first Thor or the First Avengers movie would tell you enough about what the character used to be. and the character in Young Avengers and Agent of Asgard is a pretty different character.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:34
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Young Avengers Loki is written by Gillen and is very, very clearly the same character. Like, it's pretty much the next aspect of the story and then sets up AoA which Ewing carries the themes that Gillen was ruminating on to their natural conclusion. If you read just his Journey into Mystery arc you're getting barely a third of the character arc that Gillen was going for. Also, Fear Itself (rather, what Loki does in Fear Itself) is 100% necessary so the thematic climax of his JiM run has any impact. I mean, that is the entirety of what the arc builds to, and only works if you're aware of what specifically Loki did during FI going in. Again, love Gillen Loki, favorite Marvel character ever. But it's way more of a complicated recommendation than "just read Gillen's JiM run", it's got a lot of moving parts to the arc to make it work.
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Sep 30, 2016 21:55
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Young Avengers Loki is written by Gillen and is very, very clearly the same character. Like, it's pretty much the next aspect of the story and then sets up AoA which Ewing carries the themes that Gillen was ruminating on to their natural conclusion. If you read just his Journey into Mystery arc you're getting barely a third of the character arc that Gillen was going for. Journey into Mystery starts during Fear Itself, It's literally the best thing about Fear Itself. You're probably thinking of Loki during Siege, and I think JiM fills you in on the blanks enough that it's not strictly necessary. And yes they continue to do things with Kid Loki after JiM, but you get a complete story arc involving a (kinda) new character with a beginning middle and definitely an end just by reading JiM and it's crossovers.
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Sep 30, 2016 22:10
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Thanks for the recommendations, I've got a whole bunch of new stuff to read now!Equilibrium posted:If you want to get into superhero comics you're simply going to have to get over this eventually. It's kind of weird that you want relatively self-contained, complete stories (this is good), but also need them to have them validated by the ongoing canon of middling titles that you wouldn't want to read anyways. The reason I'm looking for what I'm looking for is two-fold. First, to me, the whole point of a story is to see what the characters are really made of and to explore how they react to extreme circumstances. For it to be meaningful, the character must come out the other side changed in a meaningful way. A character can only go through this kind of thing a finite number of times before they cease being who they were so completely that they effectively become new characters. The idealistic young soldier can only become the grizzled veteran once, to use a common example. To put the character through the things that would make them grizzled, but have them be unchanged at the end is to cheapen the whole experience and deny any emotional punch the story might have had. If the characters don't change, then they're no more than props to advance some external story, and I have absolutely no interest in that. If a story could be told with essentially interchangeable characters, it's not a good story. That's the literal definition of melodrama, no matter how well-told the melodrama is, it's still melodrama. Second, for a character or story to resonate with me, it needs to have a true beginning, middle, and end. If a character doesn't change in response to the story, then the beginning has no meaning. If a character never ends, then the middle has no poignancy or joy, since it is the end that gives the middle meaning. Otherwise it is just an endless series of unconnected events, and no matter how well told, that isn't a good story either.
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Sep 30, 2016 23:00
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Sorry for the double-post, but doing a little reading on the Kid Loki stuff, as long as it was all collected in a single place and could be read meaningfully without having to have read a half-dozen other series, I'm still on board. I can deal with it not ending, so long as it meets the other requirements, which would at least let me pretend that it ended there, just like how I currently pretend that the second and third Matrix movies just mass hysteria and never really got made or how, immediately after the publication of Hyperion, Dan Simmons accidentally fell head-first into a throttling woodchipper while clutching any unpublished manuscripts that he may have had lying around.
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Sep 30, 2016 23:06
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You could read Daredevil: Born Again, and never read any other Daredevil comic and probably be satisfied. Edit: I wanna give you more suggestions, but if you're gonna get caught up in continuity hiccups, I don't think super hero comics are for you at all. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 23:09
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Azathoth posted:Sorry for the double-post, but doing a little reading on the Kid Loki stuff, as long as it was all collected in a single place and could be read meaningfully without having to have read a half-dozen other series, I'm still on board. I can deal with it not ending, so long as it meets the other requirements, which would at least let me pretend that it ended there, just like how I currently pretend that the second and third Matrix movies just mass hysteria and never really got made or how, immediately after the publication of Hyperion, Dan Simmons accidentally fell head-first into a throttling woodchipper while clutching any unpublished manuscripts that he may have had lying around. All issues are on Marvel Unlimited. Here's a reading list. Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Yeah, it's insanely complicated though. For reference: Siege is an event where Norman Osborn, director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (retitled H.A.M.M.E.R.), invades an Asgard floating above Oklahoma named Asgardia. Fear Itself is an event where Odin's brother the Serpent wages war on Asgard (the real one) by dropping a bunch of faux Asgardian weapons that are powered by humanity's fear. Fear Itself is ultra stupid but Loki ends up playing a crucial role in what happens. For reference, I consider this run of comics to have one of the best and most definitive endings to a character's arc ever. The end to Loki: Agent of Asgard is unbelievably good. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Sep 30, 2016 23:18
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Awesome, thanks!
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Oct 1, 2016 03:00
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I haven't read a lot of Avenger's comics, but from what I have seen I really like Cap's role on the team. He's not the strongest, fastest, or smartest member, but he's their leader because of his integrity and the respect that brings. Handled correctly that could be an interesting dynamic, showing how Cap handles that responsibility and also how other characters deal with being lead by a guy they could probably take 1-on-1. Does anyone have suggestions for books that look at that dynamic or show Cap as a leader?
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Oct 1, 2016 22:18
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Hickman's Avengers run 2012?-2015
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Oct 1, 2016 22:24
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In terms of respect, that sure ain't the run, but it was definitely an interesting time for the Cap/Avengers dynamic How does Steve losing all his powers, becoming an old man and going to war with Iron Man strike you? and leads to the best two events Marvel's seen in years. (and DONT start with New Avengers, IMO. I think the way it goes back to shed light on the first arc of Avengers means it should be read as it came out, a few months behind.)
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Oct 2, 2016 00:48
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If you're gonna read Hickman's A/NA (it's definitely not about Cap as a leader, but a major focus of the run is about how Cap's morals stand up to scrutiny and how total idealism is toxic in much the same way as total pragmatism is), you mine as well read the entirety of his Fantastic Four/FF to A/NA run, since it's really a saga.Lick! The! Whisk! posted:Okay, gently caress. I think I got the loving list down. You should also read redbackground's reading list for A/NA (I link it in the above post) over that image, it's a better reading order. Makes the story flow better.
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Oct 2, 2016 01:06
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I only listed avengers cuz cap isn't in ff or na (e: okay he's in the beginning of na)
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Oct 2, 2016 01:15
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Awesome, thank you! A spreadsheet with 100+ entries to check off is right up my alley.
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Oct 2, 2016 16:24
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FWIW, I don't agree with that. Most of the Secret Wars minis are completely unnecessary to the overall story. The only ones I would really call important are Thors and Siege, and even those you could easily skip without missing much.
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Oct 2, 2016 16:59
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That was written off what people suggested I read. I should really update the list to only reflect Thors and Siege, because as you say they're the only SW 2015 crucial tie-ins. IG, Planet Hulk, A-Force, and Mrs. Deadpool are all really good minis, though. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Oct 2, 2016 17:15
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:That was written off what people suggested I read. I should really update the list to only reflect Thors and Siege, because as you say they're the only SW 2015 crucial tie-ins. I haven't read all of them, but all the ones I've read have been good, and when they were coming out most people gave positive reviews to all of them. Even Siege and Thors aren't necessary, just that reading Secret Wars without them spoils their endings and reading them first gives a bit of context.
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Oct 3, 2016 00:56
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I read everything about a month ago and honestly it's all pretty good. There's some really good stuff, and then some stuff that is just ok. It's pretty much all 4-5 issues tops so they tend to be quick reads. The only one that I'd say really wasn't good was, sadly, Ultimate End.
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Oct 3, 2016 01:13
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Please don't read all that FF stuff because Captain America isn't in any of it.
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Oct 3, 2016 15:52
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hello friends  i've been reading alias + the new JJ and liking it a lot. is there anything else with a female main character (who is preferably of the smart/resourceful type rather than someone with lots of crazy powers) that i might enjoy? i have no knowledge of anything so recs are super appreciated. thanks!
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Oct 11, 2016 12:19
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Lovechop posted:hello friends The manhunter series from the 00s and Gotham Central both come to mind.
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Oct 11, 2016 12:23
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After Alias, Jessica showed up in a short series called The Pulse, which had her team up with Ben Urich (who you may know from the Netflix Daredevil show). It's got a lighter tone than Alias, and different artists (although Gaydos drew 1 issue). It's slightly continuity heavy in that the stories intertwine with stuff happening in the Marvel U at the time, but it does a good job of explaining things well from what I remember. https://www.comixology.eu/Pulse/comics-series/9931?ref=c2VhcmNoL2luZGV4L2Rlc2t0b3Avc2xpZGVyTGlzdC9zZXJpZXNTbGlkZXI Bendis also wrote a short-lived Spider-Woman book which was pretty great (only 7 issues though), with Alex Maleev on art. The character has powers and the story is less grounded than Alias/JJ, but you might still enjoy it. https://www.comixology.eu/Spider-Woman-2009-2010/comics-series/2691?ref=c2VhcmNoL2luZGV4L2Rlc2t0b3Avc2xpZGVyTGlzdC9zZXJpZXNTbGlkZXI You could also try something along the lines of Greg Rucka and JH Williams' Batwoman https://www.comixology.eu/Batwoman-Elegy/comics-story-arc/632?ref=Y29taWMvdmlldy9kZXNrdG9wL3N0b3J5bGluZXM (the run continues past those 4 issues.... it was collected into a physical paperback collection but that doesn't seem to be available digitally). There was a subsequent stand-alone Batwoman series which Williams wrote with W. Hayden Blackman, and did some of the art for also (although they both left after a disagreement with DC, and the run was concluded by Marc Andreyko). A new series has just been announced also. Or also some of the recent Batgirl series by Cameron Stewart, Brandon Fletcher and Babs Tarr: https://www.comixology.eu/Batgirl-2...C9pdGVtU2xpZGVy https://www.comixology.eu/Batgirl-2...C9pdGVtU2xpZGVy https://www.comixology.eu/Batgirl-2...C9pdGVtU2xpZGVy Batgirl is fun but pretty soap opera-y? I guess. So I don't know if that will hold much appeal or not. But she doesn't have powers, just gadgets and fighting skills. Same as Batwoman above. Batgirl also has a couple of new series under DC's Rebirth banner.
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irlZaphod posted:stuff wow, these all look fantastic! thanks a bunch you guys, i'll have to check everything out
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Lovechop posted:wow, these all look fantastic! thanks a bunch you guys, i'll have to check everything out Give Marc Andreyko's Manhunter a shot, too. edit: oh snap, didn't see it already mentioned Have you ever read any Ms. Tree? I would definitely check out Chase by JHW3 and Dan Curtis Johnson. It's all been collected in a single trade. redbackground fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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Oct 11, 2016 14:53
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Yeah, I know a lot of people basically say Chase was DC's answer to Alias. In the 'tough cynical lady protagonist tries to put past ties to the superhero world behind her, but is unable to' sense, not the 'tons of swearing, sex and scenes of heroine Googling stuff while on the can' sense.
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Gaz-L posted:Yeah, I know a lot of people basically say Chase was DC's answer to Alias. In the 'tough cynical lady protagonist tries to put past ties to the superhero world behind her, but is unable to' sense, not the 'tons of swearing, sex and scenes of heroine Googling stuff while on the can' sense. Chase came first by like 3 years.
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If the books don't need to be cape books then I would suggest Queen & Country and Whiteout by Rucka. Maybe Lazarus (only read a bit of this, kinda sci-fi ) and Velvet (own but have not read, someone feel free to tell me why I'm wrong). Q&C are spy books revolving around a specific MI6 agent, generally does action thriller. Whiteout is a murder mystery in Antarctica, and from distant memory I thought it did a good job of using the environment. I can think of other female-lead books but I'm not sure they meet the "smart/capable" criteria as what I read involved everyone being a moron or at least not being particularly super (Rachel Rising, maybe Revival). Edit: I thought Rachel Rising got too stupid and slow so don't read that. I just don't know how firm your criteria are. Love & Rockets if you're fine with soap operas of a sort. It's a very long running series about either a Mexican village (it eventually shifts heavily to the women) or two 80s punk women. If you're OK with man-woman books then maybe Powers by Bendis, which is about cops in a world with superheroes. Or Jinx (bounty hunter) or Scarlet (revenge story + Occupy before Occupy). Kabuki if you want weird but pretty, although I have not read beyond the first couple books. Japanese ninja bounty hunter... sorta. Zachack fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Oct 12, 2016 00:37
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Current Spider-Woman is basically exactly what you're looking for. Start from issue 6 (when she gets her new, current outfit), it's thematically and tonally of a piece with original Alias, but way less explicit.
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Oct 12, 2016 00:52
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Picked up The Fade Out. I really like the whole Brubaker and Philips combo.
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obi_ant posted:Picked up The Fade Out. I really like the whole Brubaker and Philips combo. Read criminal and fatale next. They are also currently three issues in kill or be killed
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bobkatt013 posted:Read criminal and fatale next. They are also currently three issues in kill or be killed And Sleeper! It's my favorite of all the Brubaker/Phillips collaborations. The sequel, Point Blank, is required reading as well, but Colin Wilson drew that one, and he isn't as good as Phillips.
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Hey, so between the first Incal book being on Amazon Prime Reader, and me having picked up a random Valerian trade a while ago from my local used comics shop, I've been thinking about getting into more French/European sci-fi comics. Any recommendations? There's this sale at ComiXology and I'm definitely at least picking up all of the first Incal series, but I assume anything from that is good? Lord knows I probably can't afford to just drop 100 bucks on all of it in one go. EDIT: God help me I bought all those books. But recommendations of other Moebius or atuff in the Valerian series or related/similar stuff are still welcome. joehonkie fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Oct 18, 2016 14:31
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joehonkie posted:EDIT: God help me I bought all those books. Ya did good.
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Oct 18, 2016 21:04
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Started reading Locke & Key yesterday, since I liked Joe Hill's Heart-Shaped Box and thought it was cool that he was writing horror comics. I'm currently on volume 3 and I'll probably have the whole series finished tomorrow. I can't stop. Help.
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Oct 27, 2016 16:57
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I'm trying to track down issues of Electric Company comics that deal with racism (already have Judgment Day, looking for others), like the comic that is about a war veteran freaking out about his hometown mistreating the memory of a fallen veteran, with the twist being that the brother-in-arms that died was black. Apparently there were a lot of stories like that in the publishing run they did through the 50s, etc., and I'm having difficulty tracking down specific issue references.
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chitoryu12 posted:Started reading Locke & Key yesterday, since I liked Joe Hill's Heart-Shaped Box and thought it was cool that he was writing horror comics. Locke and Key was a great series you're fortunate you don't have to sit through the excruciating breaks between the final arcs
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Oct 27, 2016 18:31
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How similar is the IDW Turtles series to the original Mirage books?
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Oct 31, 2016 17:45
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It's a serious story like the originals, but not quite as grim. I think of it as taking pretty much every version of the Turtles, mixing them in a blender, and then picking and choosing the best bits. It's Eastman taking those original ideas of the characters to their best potential.
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Eastman's not really the head writer or anything. He's just the guy they ask if this is a good idea or not.
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