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Pakled posted:I'm rewatching DS9 and I love how checking peoples' blood to see if they're a changeling never once works in the entirety of the series. DS9 flawlessly predicts the efficacy of the TSA.
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Mukaikubo posted:DS9 flawlessly predicts the efficacy of the TSA. At least they tested their methods on an actual changeling.
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Yeah, that's a nice touch that all their random forced blood samplings and security theatre did gently caress all and was entirely useless and intrusive. DS9 is the best post 9/11 show.
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Actually, since I've been watching DS9 for the first time, it seems like the changelings totally helped start that nonsense too, or at least encourage it. Martok had been replaced super early on. Fake Edit: Plus that one rear end in a top hat totally faked it a couple times in order to take over Starfleet
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah, that's a nice touch that all their random forced blood samplings and security theatre did gently caress all and was entirely useless and intrusive. DS9 is the best post 9/11 show. Doesn't Founder O'Brien explicitly point this out to Sisko on Earth? I haven't watched that episode in a while, but I remember him gloating over how useless it all is and how much damage Starfleet is causing to themselves because of a handful of changelings.
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I always wondered why, if Starfleet was so helpless against changeling infiltrators, there weren't more of them running around the Federation wreaking havoc. I mean yeah paranoia and inefficiency are problems, but why weren't there any starbases just loving exploding out of nowhere and "welp, turns out a changeling got in and set a photon torpedo to arm and then detonate inside the starbase" or something like that.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I always wondered why, if Starfleet was so helpless against changeling infiltrators, there weren't more of them running around the Federation wreaking havoc. I mean yeah paranoia and inefficiency are problems, but why weren't there any starbases just loving exploding out of nowhere and "welp, turns out a changeling got in and set a photon torpedo to arm and then detonate inside the starbase" or something like that.
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Watching 400+ episodes and a dozen films worth of Trek is super loving depressing when you look at how the real world is starting to move backwards instead of into the future. We could have been standing on Mars 10 years ago but we'd rather murder each other based on skin color and obsess over reality tv. I'm in a bad mood tonight.
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Also our 21st century apocalypse is a boring climate thing rather than a awesome genetically engineered warlords and dudes with machine gun hands.
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Rhyno posted:Watching 400+ episodes and a dozen films worth of Trek is super loving depressing when you look at how the real world is starting to move backwards instead of into the future. We could have been standing on Mars 10 years ago but we'd rather murder each other based on skin color and obsess over reality tv. According to the timeline we've still got plenty of time to gently caress everything up and begin WW3 while a billion people die and we do an FTL test that gets us noticed by aliens.
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Rhyno posted:Watching 400+ episodes and a dozen films worth of Trek is super loving depressing when you look at how the real world is starting to move backwards instead of into the future. We could have been standing on Mars 10 years ago but we'd rather murder each other based on skin color and obsess over reality tv. The Star Trek endorsed candidate is currently enjoying a comfortable lead in the polls, so really, we're moving in the right direction. 
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Rhyno posted:Watching 400+ episodes and a dozen films worth of Trek is super loving depressing when you look at how the real world is starting to move backwards instead of into the future. We could have been standing on Mars 10 years ago but we'd rather murder each other based on skin color and obsess over reality tv. I generally agree with this sentiment but if you need a place to look for good news than manned spaceflight is on the cusp of an upswing right now
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Tighclops posted:I generally agree with this sentiment but if you need a place to look for good news than manned spaceflight is on the cusp of an upswing right now Are they leaving Earth for good? Can I go with them?
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If you start saving immediately, there exists a slim chance now you'll be able to go to space sometime in your 40-50's I know how that sounds, I start laughing every time I say it aloud
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Tighclops posted:If you start saving immediately, there exists a slim chance now you'll be able to go to space sometime in your 40-50's And when your Virgin SpaceShip becomes a black streak on the Mojave desert floor, they can probably shoot what's left of you into orbit like James Doohan.
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Better that than locked up in a sanctuary district with the other working poor
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Everyone wants to go to space or shoot zombies. I'm prepared for the realistic, Mad Max apocalypse. Vote for Trump so we can get the kickass post atomic horrors by 2025
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No one in this thread is built for a Mad Max future. We'd be Lord Humongous' court monkey jester, at best.
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Immortan Joe was a fat bastard riddled with radiation sickness, and look at what he accomplished. 
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WickedHate posted:Immortan Joe was a fat bastard riddled with radiation sickness, and look at what he accomplished. Yeah he got his face ripped off while his goon army and meathead son were blasted to bits by a mumbling hobo.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I always wondered why, if Starfleet was so helpless against changeling infiltrators, there weren't more of them running around the Federation wreaking havoc. I mean yeah paranoia and inefficiency are problems, but why weren't there any starbases just loving exploding out of nowhere and "welp, turns out a changeling got in and set a photon torpedo to arm and then detonate inside the starbase" or something like that. I figure it's the same reason the Dominion never deployed any truly horrific weapons against the Federation, we know they had biological weapons and they should have had the tech to totally wipe out a planet's surface but they never did that against any Federation worlds. Presumably they wanted to keep it "fair" so the survivors would be more willing to work with them after the war.
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Knormal posted:I always figured the Changelings' end goal was always for the Federation to surrender and be subsumed into the Dominion as another subject power. They probably didn't want to go full-on massacre against the people they hoped to absorb. Not to mention they probably didn't want to destroy the resources they hoped to use. Weyoun did want to destroy all life on Earth due to the fact that any rebellion would almost certainly ferment there.
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Beyond's out on Blu-ray! I'm sure the links won't last, but here's a good look at the newbie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH6XBXPUai4 And let's throw this in because  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZTnSxW4pOI MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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The changelings used their shapeshifting as a tool of manipulation. Their goals were more subtle and long term than getting in, loving up a starbase's reactor core, and getting out.
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MikeJF posted:Beyond's out on Blu-ray! I'm sure the links won't last, but here's a good look at the newbie. Digital only on the 4th, Blu-Ray isn't until Nov 1.
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Pakled posted:The Star Trek endorsed candidate is currently enjoying a comfortable lead in the polls, so really, we're moving in the right direction. I like how that article brings up Conservatives who like Star Trek. How do they possibly wrap their heads around everything in the show being the absolute opposite of what they value?
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Tons of conservatives love Trek. They point to the value of the individual or small group in solving the huge problems. The Federation is a bumbling mess and there is a lot of on-screen evidence that it's not really competitive against capitalist powers like the Klingons or Ferengi. Hell, there's an entire episode where Jake tries to make some money. Alternatively, they just like space exploration and adventures and don't ruminate on how it reflects on their political values.
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Rhyno posted:Watching 400+ episodes and a dozen films worth of Trek is super loving depressing when you look at how the real world is starting to move backwards instead of into the future. We could have been standing on Mars 10 years ago but we'd rather murder each other based on skin color and obsess over reality tv. "Murder each other profit and obsess over power for power's sake" is a much more accurate reason why space exploration hasn't been happening. Big Mean Jerk posted:No one in this thread is built for a Mad Max future. We'd be Lord Humongous' court monkey jester, at best. I'm taller and heavier than Lord Humongous 
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Zurui posted:Tons of conservatives love Trek. They point to the value of the individual or small group in solving the huge problems. The Federation is a bumbling mess and there is a lot of on-screen evidence that it's not really competitive against capitalist powers like the Klingons or Ferengi. Hell, there's an entire episode where Jake tries to make some money. I'm Christian and lean conservative, and it's mostly the latter for me, but (and I know this is weird to say on the internet) it's possible to enjoy and engage with fiction containing elements I disagree with. I would have very little from which to select if I only watched/read things that affirm my existing beliefs, and I'd be much poorer for it. It keeps me intellectually honest and helps me understand and respect those who disagree with me. Not to say I don't make snarky comments sometimes, of course.
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Just rewatched the DS9 pilot, and man, there are some scenes where Avery Brooks' acting is honestly kind of terrible. He definitely improved over the course of the show.
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Zurui posted:Tons of conservatives love Trek. They point to the value of the individual or small group in solving the huge problems. The Federation is a bumbling mess and there is a lot of on-screen evidence that it's not really competitive against capitalist powers like the Klingons or Ferengi. Hell, there's an entire episode where Jake tries to make some money. I'm conservative and like Trek. This may shock you, but most (not all) people who subscribe to conservative philosophy believe in equality of opportunity, but not necessarily equality of result. Many make the mistake of believing that the Federation is not capitalist (even the writers make this mistake.) Instead, it should be noted that the Federation is a reputation-based economy. They don't give a starship to just anyone. Distribution of resources is voluntary. Why does Joseph Sisko run a restaurant? Why do people go there regularly to eat at said restaurant? Because of Joseph Sisko's desire to express himself through cooking and people go there because of his reputation. The same applies all the way up to Star Fleet. Now, that doesn't mean there is anarchy. There has to be a chain of command, etc. etc. If anything, Star Trek portrays a Federation that is the Libertarian ideal of a reputation-based, pure voluntarist society. Now, if you (incorrectly) believe conservatism is about greed and inequality and racism, then that is a different problem, but I assure you that most (not all) conservatives desire equality (racial as well as economic).
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showbiz_liz posted:Just rewatched the DS9 pilot, and man, there are some scenes where Avery Brooks' acting is honestly kind of terrible. He definitely improved over the course of the show. Yeah, comparing his performance in the first season to his performance in, say, "Far Beyond the Stars" is night and day. Brooks is at his best when he's either brooding or wildly emotional, and the later seasons gave him a lot more opportunities to do that.
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I remember about 10 years ago National Review did a Star Trek week where they got a bunch of conservative and libertarian writers to submit articles. Interesting thing is that National Review is now the most prominent anti-Trump conservative outlet.
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RangerAce posted:If anything, Star Trek portrays a Federation that is the Libertarian ideal of a reputation-based, pure voluntarist society. I didn't mean to imply that conservatives are necessarily assholes and I'm sorry if it came across that way.  I definitely feel that the Federation is missing a unit of exchange. The idea that we've moved beyond finite units (money) is really great but human beings don't create societies without a measure of value. I keep coming back to the idea of reputation exchange, like the (ridiculously-named) Wuffie from Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom. I mean, without the automated cyber-magic. Papa Sisko runs his restaurant to earn respect from the patrons. There's no "charge" to eat there. The Picards run their vineyard as a family tradition but also for the reputation of Picardo Classic Syrah. It's basically a world where productivity revolves around Yelp reviews.
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Wikkheiser posted:I remember about 10 years ago National Review did a Star Trek week where they got a bunch of conservative and libertarian writers to submit articles. Interesting thing is that National Review is now the most prominent anti-Trump conservative outlet. Easy to explain: Trump is neither conservative nor libertarian.
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Zurui posted:Alternatively, they just like space exploration and adventures and don't ruminate on how it reflects on their political values. Reminder that Paul Ryan is a fan of Rage Against the Machine.
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