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Geostomp posted:What gets me is how shocked the right wingers are that their public, many of whom have grown up on a steady diet of their deliberate lies and been pulled in by appeals to their prejudices, could possibly grow to disobey them to live out these teachings. Deliberately cultivating angry extremism divorced from reality resulting in a large number of angry extremists divorced from reality is such an obvious outcome, but the upper crust of the right wing were just too arrogant to ever think that their monster could possibly turn on them until it finally did. It's really pure hubris and arrogance combined with disdain for the people they are supposed to be representing. You are hearing the same poo poo now about how they are totally going to control Trump and we'll be back to glorious GOP establishment rule once he is elected.
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Endorph posted:He's not a very charismatic guy at all but that honestly works in his favor - a lot of the republicans I've talked to see him as a fairly respectable guy as opposed to a 'bleeding heart liberal.'
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Endorph posted:He's not a very charismatic guy at all but that honestly works in his favor - a lot of the republicans I've talked to see him as a fairly respectable guy as opposed to a 'bleeding heart liberal.' I think when you describe someone like "Everyone really likes and respects him" it's kind of weird not to call him Charismatic.
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On Terra Firma posted:I think when you describe someone like "Everyone really likes and respects him" it's kind of weird not to call him Charismatic.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:He's also the Hillary brand of stealthily-religious - a little more so than her, given that he's personally anti-abortion but supports it being fully legal because it's the woman's choice - which earns him points with the mushy middle. I wish he would be truthful about his opinion on abortion. Then he would be free of this stress. Look at his little hands waving around.
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Endorph posted:Well, 'everyone likes and respects him' but nobody's going to rush to the polls or rallies for him, i guess? They don't see him as some great agent of change, they just see him as a basically respectable politician. At the same time, in this year, a guy who's stable and reasonable is a real comfort.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:He's also the Hillary brand of stealthily-religious - a little more so than her, given that he's personally anti-abortion but supports it being fully legal because it's the woman's choice - which earns him points with the mushy middle. That's the kind of centrist view that gets you shot by both sides. There's plenty of pro-choice people who are personally anti-abortion. That's what pro-choice means. To be able to choose.
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Pulling this from way back, but I always love these 8-year before&after shots. Of course it's the time in your life anyway when age really starts to beat the poo poo out of your appearance, but the stress-related component is always dramatic.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Drudge isn't even running the Assange story. It is because it isn't a real thing.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Drudge isn't even running the Assange story. But of course, it's the foxnews headline. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/03/will-wikileaks-assange-delay-october-surprise-announcement.html It sounds like this tweet isn't his big thing. Just the reason he doesn't trust himself to open a balcony. 
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Kaine's main accomplishments as Governor and Senator are all fairly important, but really bland and boring issues. He hasn't gotten tagged with anything controversial. His big issues as Governor were: - Infrastructure spending. - Expanding the Metro Purple Line - Bringing tech companies to NoVa - Making the state tax code slightly more progressive through refundable credits - Some mild gun control after Virginia Tech - Anti-smoking laws - Some minor criminal sentencing reforms As Senator: He basically just voted for the Obama agenda and then hasn't had a chance to do much after 2010. His major bill sponsors have mostly been military benefits and VA bureaucracy changes. He also introduced some bills to: - Slightly increase Pell Grant funding for kids from tech high schools - Requiring co-prescriptions for high dosages of opioids - The Puppies Assisting Wounded Veterans (PAWS) Act to cover therapy dogs and guide dogs for disabled vets. - A bill to provide financial advisors to young military members - Increased funding for Alzheimer's research at NIH - Research into education practices for autistic children and how to transition them into standard schools and adulthood.
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Krispy Kareem posted:It does. You're more likely to get a prompt arbitration than a prompt court date and I think there are less legal maneuverings to continuously delay your day in court. You're forgetting the most insidious parts of the mandatory binding arbitration system, which are that
CascadeBeta posted:I predict 3 things happening in the next presidential debate. I think it is possible for Trump to outperform expectations. Remember that the audience will be (and hence the questions will be posed by) "undecided" voters. That is, people who literally cannot find a reason to vote for Hillary even when her opponent is a giant racist Cheeto. The questions are going to be hard and pointed and put Hillary on defense most of the time.
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8 years later, Obama looks 8 years older. Shocking. Pressures of the position and all that. I look old compared to 8 years ago too.
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cant cook creole bream posted:But of course, it's the foxnews headline. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/03/will-wikileaks-assange-delay-october-surprise-announcement.html Different story.
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Trump used to be honest, but after running for president, I can't stand the lies his republican advisors make him say.
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comingafteryouall posted:Guerilla group that has been around Colombia since La Violencia in the 50s and 60s. They started off as communists (or at least left-leaning) but I I've gotten the impression the politics have taken a backseat to fighting. The good ol' USA has given Colombia support in the fight against them, mainly because the FARC funds itself through the sell of cocaine. The great thing about the FARC is that the UN says they're responsible for 12% of civilian killings in the decades of the war; the right-wing paramilitaries and death squads (occasionally funded by the US and Colombian state) did the other 88%. Its a weird relict conflict and the state-sponsored response has been far worse than anything the guerillas originally did.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:as much of a shithead Putin apologist Assange is he doesn't deserve summary execution and it's ironic to see the same people hand wringing over FASCIST TRUMP cheerleading this. But I am a lefty authoritarian? 
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iospace posted:Different story. That tweet is part of it. Around the halfway mark.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:
You could literally translate this to before the first debate and the only difference would be that the questions are coming from the audience.
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https://twitter.com/JLester34/status/780768509777289217 cubs player jon lester has been getting tweets aimed at lester holt for the past week
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So Assange's complete anger at Hillary is because of a joke?  i'm not surprised by it because his inflated self importance is outstanding but drat man
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If Trump had been less than a burning heap of acid sludge in the first debate the spin would have been that he outperformed expectations. If he isn't at least mediocre now, the spin will be that he didn't manage to improve. Losing the first debate so significantly that even the foxnewspoll showed it left him in a disadvantageous position.
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Wikileaks may or may not have something tomorrow. I don't think that is the point, though. Assange's goal is to keep the public's mistrust of Clinton high. Constantly hearing that Wikileaks has another campaign ending, horrible thing about her succeeds in doing that, regardless of actual follow up. I do wish he'd shut up if he didn't actually have something, though. Spiffster posted:So Assange's complete anger at Hillary is because of a joke?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:You're forgetting the most insidious parts of the mandatory binding arbitration system, which are that In an ideal system, after a certain number of judgements for the same issue those class action protections would be thrown out to prevent that kind of problem. That won't happen and the whole system will eventually be scrapped because too many liberties have been taken. It may not be Wells Fargo that kills it, but some company will eventually do something so heinous that it finally makes a broken system unworkable. Although I think it's going to be Wells Fargo when they try to make thousands of impacted employees and customers go to arbitration. It's a big enough issue that some district court is going to step in and punch lots of precedent sized holes in the law.
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Spiffster posted:So Assange's complete anger at Hillary is because of a joke? An alleged joke from anonymous sources with no backing. Apparently someone with knowledge of a "high level state department meeting" chose to speak to a D-tier conservative blog about a possible assassination of Assange. Not any of the main stream media. Or even Fox. Or Breitbart.
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Night10194 posted:Also, Americans know the rich get to game the system. We know. But we really don't like having it shoved in our faces or bragged about. Look at Romney; the poo poo he did with his taxes was all legal and normal for a rich guy and it still hurt him. Trump? Trump got these tax breaks for his personal income because he tanked a bunch of businesses (and as one CNN article pointed out, we don't know if the 900+ million loss was entirely his own fortune or lots of 'other peoples' money' stuff that left others holding the bag) and hosed over his employees. A reminder that a rich guy loving up gets him 18 years off paying taxes doesn't make most Americans happy. The greatest mistake Trump made about his taxes was saying "that makes me smart". People understand that rich people don't pay much in the way of taxes, so they tend to give it a pass for Trump since it's expected. A lot of people (especially on the right) understand not wanting to pay taxes, so they tend to give him a pass on not paying because they wish they could not pay too. But by saying that he didn't pay taxes because he was smart, rather than because he had access to rich people loopholes that most people can't, he manages to offend both those groups by implying that taxpayers are dumb. Criticizing the tax system is one thing, but when you start outright calling taxpayers suckers you're alienating pretty much everyone. Night10194 posted:So what's the deal with mandatory arbitration, exactly? How's it work? I know it's some way really big companies can tilt disputes in their favor, but I've never been clear on what it is exactly. When you sign the contract or service agreement or whatever with a company, it contains a clause saying that you voluntarily agree that if you have any kind of dispute with the company, you will have that dispute resolved by a private third-party for-profit arbitration company, and are therefore not allowed to take them to real court. Typically, the clause also specifies that it has to be individual arbitration - i.e., just you vs the company, with no class-action or group suits allowed. That is entirely legal and enforceable. The laws permitting those kinds of clauses were made for contracts between businesses, but courts have proven willing to apply them to contracts between companies and individual customers as long as they're not too obviously abusive. However, because they're private and for-profit, arbitration companies have significantly different behaviors from regular courts - they tend not to rule in favor of the customer (the hundreds of thousands of arbitration agreements the company are in is too much potential business to risk alienating) and they tend to impose relatively small punishments (again, they don't want to drive off potential business by handing out rulings with real impact). The class action waiver clause is also enormously advantageous to the company, since it amounts to immunity from class-actions. greatn posted:Devil's advocate, doesn't arbitration have a useful societal function to keep the court systems from being more clogged than they already are? The purpose of arbitration is to take disputes between two businesses out of the court system. It tends to magnify the effects of large power or size disparities between the signatories, and is thus best suited for an agreement between relatively equal parties who both had a hand in crafting the agreement.
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Krispy Kareem posted:In an ideal system, after a certain number of judgements for the same issue those class action protections would be thrown out to prevent that kind of problem. That won't happen and the whole system will eventually be scrapped because too many liberties have been taken. It may not be Wells Fargo that kills it, but some company will eventually do something so heinous that it finally makes a broken system unworkable. There's already resistance at it at state levels. CA, for one, has declared mandatory arbitration clauses in CA-law contracts as against public policy. The federal courts have been pushing back, declaring the pro-arbitration stance of the Federal Arbitration Act preemptive (so trumping state laws in the area), but hopefully we'll see some changes to that, either as a result of a new court or from this scandal. Also, remember that arbitration is confidential. So even if someone takes a big bank like WF to task, nobody else hears about it - similarly situated consumers, etc. remain left in the dark.
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computer parts posted:You could literally translate this to before the first debate and the only difference would be that the questions are coming from the audience. And I think that could make the difference. Depends how well Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz curate the questions. In Clinton's favor though, only half will come from the audience.
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gonna admit, it's probably nothing but I am gonna arzy a tiny bit until whatever the BIG REVEAL is comes out
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Isn't it generally accepted, perhaps outside the most rapid fan base, that Hillary is, and has been, extremely hawkish? I think that makes it a joke in incredible poor taste, like if you're at the world most terrifying dinner party and Assange made a rape-joke, OJ made a murder-joke or Trump an incest-joke. Except those things are always in really bad taste, but whatever, maybe the situation was just right to make a joke about using the kill-bots to silence dissent. If it's not a joke then that is a fundamentally awful human being. Regardless, of whether it's one or the other, it's still endlessly better that the 10 least awful things the orange fascist has said.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:gonna admit, it's probably nothing but I am gonna arzy a tiny bit until whatever the BIG REVEAL is comes out It turns out that Hillary Clinton can melt steel beams.
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Why doesn't Assange leak something useful, like what is the Nintendo NX?
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greatn posted:Why doesn't Assange leak something useful, like what is the Nintendo NX?
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/782967078424875008 Its dirty but frankly I cannot see how you can perform anti-terror operations in the modern day without poo poo like this
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/782967078424875008 I prefer Taco Tuesday, but to each his own. Am I missing something here? POTUS is commander in chief of the military, and responsibility of Anti terror operations is on him. Or is it just the fun that is the story here?
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