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pacerhimself posted:It takes a serious amount of hubris or maybe just delusional thinking to have so much terrible poo poo in your past and think you can run for loving president and not have it come out. Possibly both hubris and delusional thinking. And Known Turtle Man, Mitch McConnell, last week after overriding the Saudi Arabia veto "uh, maybe Obama vetoed it for a good reason.... I hadn't thought of that..." Shortsightedness is a feature, not a bug.
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Aerox posted:It's not stopping. Was Trumps stammering in the debate some arcane incarnation which opened a portal to hell, unleashing all of his personal demons at once? People have been speculating that every single attack is a projection and that he has done all of that himself. By now I believe he has just done literally everything. No matter what you accuse him of (or he accuses other people of) If you dig a bit you find evidence that it's true. On Terra Firma posted:Man I don't know if I've ever seen Clinton this aggressive and fired up, but I don't want all of her rallies. Pretty good right now. This was actually really inspiring. Clinton will do responsible and helpful things for the United States and the international communities. 
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Aerox posted:It's not stopping. Newsweek has a real knack for tight, concise summaries of why Trump talking points are bullshit. quote:Throughout his campaign, Trump has maintained that some controversial decisions for his companies amounted to nothing more than taking actions that were good for business, and were therefore reflections of his financial acumen. But, with the exception of one business that collapsed into multiple bankruptcies, Trump does not operate a public company; he has no fiduciary obligation to shareholders to obtain the highest returns he can. His decisions to turn away from American producers were not driven by legal obligations to investors, but simply resulted in higher profits for himself and his family.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Did Trump open some portal to hell which unleashed all his personal demons at once? Not him. Clinton did the opening, and that portal to hell is otherwise known as her oppo research.
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Probably already been discussed, but I heard a Hillary clip this morning that sounded like she was calling education and healthcare paid for by the government "insane". Anyone have a link to that did I hear her wrong?
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cant cook creole bream posted:Was Trumps stammering in the debate some arcane incarnation which opened a portal to hell, unleashing all of his personal demons at once? He's a 70-year-old scumbag who has been in charge of a large business enterprise since he was 25 years old. Of course he's done everything, he's got a 45 year history of being given the opportunity to do whatever lovely thing you could possibly imagine a wealthy CEO doing so of course he's done all of them.
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On Terra Firma posted:I don't want to TV/IV or anything but Clinton just brought up something that I've faced dozens of times throughout the years running my business. Sometimes I will submit an invoice with terms of 30 days (sometimes 45 depending on the company) and they will conveniently 'lose" my invoice and I won't get paid for 90 days and in a few cases up to 6 months. These aren't small shops struggling to pay out either. They are huge companies with deep pockets that just push payment out because they can. There are times I've been really sweating it not because I'm doing poorly or not getting enough business, but because I haven't been reimbursed to work I did months ago and the terms of the invoice were ignored. There are times I was owed nearly $10k and was told "Oh we misplaced that invoice so we have to resubmit it through accounts payable which will take an additional 45-60 days to process." This isn't even abnormal at this point. It's really quite incredible to see things like this in Fortune 500 companies. At my old company DSO (days sales outstanding) was frequently our poorest metric and it was like pulling teeth getting customers to pay. The 90+ day windows you mention are pretty common, our goal was frequently on the order of 50 days on average and that metric was never met.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Probably already been discussed, but I heard a Hillary clip this morning that sounded like she was calling education and healthcare paid for by the government "insane". Anyone have a link to that did I hear her wrong? Seeing as those have been the core of her message from almost 30 years, it was probably something akin to "not having public funding for healthcare and education is insane."
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ImpAtom posted:Eh. In context it's clear that is bad phrasing. It's bad phrasing but that's about it. Counterpoint: https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/782986994230190081
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Probably already been discussed, but I heard a Hillary clip this morning that sounded like she was calling education and healthcare paid for by the government "insane". Anyone have a link to that did I hear her wrong? I've been following this thread and some news feeds all day. First time I hear of it. Do you mean "insane" as in "all those services should be privatized?" Or as in "It's insane how little funding those services have."? cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Probably already been discussed, but I heard a Hillary clip this morning that sounded like she was calling education and healthcare paid for by the government "insane". Anyone have a link to that did I hear her wrong? I don't have a link but I'm willing to bet that she's calling the prices without assistance insane,.
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cant cook creole bream posted:People have been speculating that every single attack is a projection and that he has done all of that himself. By now I believe he has just done literally everything. No matter what you accuse him of (or he accuses other people of) If you dig a bit you find evidence that it's true.
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pacerhimself posted:It takes a serious amount of hubris or maybe just delusional thinking to have so much terrible poo poo in your past and think you can run for loving president and not have it come out. Possibly both hubris and delusional thinking. The dude used cutting off his own nephew's medical treatment as a bargaining chip. I think delusional is the tip of the ice berg.
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quote:(For example, the Chinese companies that manufacture suits and ties for the Donald Trump Signature Collection also obtain loans from mainland banks; Trump has said he has been forced to use the Chinese for his clothing lines because no American company makes those kinds of products anymore. That is not true—for example, all Brooks Brothers ties are made in New York, while about 85% of the company’s suits are made in Massachusetts.) quote:Another recent Trump building that has used metal from China is Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago, which opened in 2009. For that project, Trump obtained loans from Deutsche Bank and three hedge funds that in turn used financing from George Soros, the business magnate who is the subject of many conservative conspiracy theories and is portrayed as a threat to the Republican Party. quote:Trump purchased the aluminum used in the Chicago project for what is called the “curtain wall”—the glass and metal exterior designed to save energy. The wall is made with 11,500 panels of thermal pane glass encased in aluminum. Each of the panels is 6 feet, 3 inches, meaning they used 207,000 feet of aluminum; the precise amount of tonnage could not be determined. However, assuming an admittedly light weight of a pound per foot, American companies lost out on more than $350 million in sales.
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You know, that's a fair counterpoint. My bad.
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ImpAtom posted:The rate of Trump scandals is speeding up. Imagine a corncob 35 feet long weighing approximately 600 pounds.
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On Terra Firma posted:Trump Adviser Roger Stone: Alicia Machado Is A “Ho Bag” god bless this election
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illcendiary posted:It's really quite incredible to see things like this in Fortune 500 companies. At my old company DSO (days sales outstanding) was frequently our poorest metric and it was like pulling teeth getting customers to pay. The 90+ day windows you mention are pretty common, our goal was frequently on the order of 50 days on average and that metric was never met. It has a lot of consequences beyond just cash flow. When lenders were looking at my books in the process of buying a home they were like "Why aren't these companies paying you" and I just kind of threw my hands up and said I don't know. Then they blamed me for not getting money on time which makes me a greater risk for them. Yes lenders blamed me for not being paid on time by companies they refused to pay on time. That was a good couple of months.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Was Trumps stammering in the debate some arcane incarnation which opened a portal to hell, unleashing all of his personal demons at once? leaked footage of Trump's debate prep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APF3SO9tqE
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Ok. I found the quote, I completely misheard and she didn't use the word insane at all. Thats what I get for trying to listen to the radio with a screaming toddler in the car. Here is what I heard.quote:Hillary Clinton: "And on the other side, there’s just a deep desire to believe that, you know, we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means. And half the people don’t know what it means, but it is something that they deeply feel. So, as a friend of mine said the other day, I am occupying from the center-left to the center-right. And I don’t have much company there."
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vyelkin posted:He's a 70-year-old scumbag who has been in charge of a large business enterprise since he was 25 years old. Of course he's done everything, he's got a 45 year history of being given the opportunity to do whatever lovely thing you could possibly imagine a wealthy CEO doing so of course he's done all of them. Just wait until they find the bodies trapped in the concrete of his tower.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Ok. I found the quote, I completely misheard and she didn't use the word insane at all. Thats what I get for trying to listen to the radio with a screaming toddler in the car. Here is what I heard. The full thing basically her saying "I understand why they feel the way they do, and I get that I do, but I don't want to promise them the moon because I don't think we can get there so easily."
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Isn't it generally accepted, perhaps outside the most rapid fan base, that Hillary is, and has been, extremely hawkish? I think that makes it a joke in incredible poor taste, like if you're at the world most terrifying dinner party and Assange made a rape-joke, OJ made a murder-joke or Trump an incest-joke. Except those things are always in really bad taste, but whatever, maybe the situation was just right to make a joke about using the kill-bots to silence dissent. If it's not a joke then that is a fundamentally awful human being. Regardless, of whether it's one or the other, it's still endlessly better that the 10 least awful things the orange fascist has said. "Extremely" hawkish? She's no dove, but considering how many terms we have to go back through to find the last president that didn't bomb the Middle East, I think most people calling her an "extreme" hawk aren't measuring with a regulation-length yardstick. Bushiz posted:because they're not getting the help they need, whether through therapy or support structures in their relationships, confounded by a myriad of further mental images. On the other hand, the last time I recall him talking about strong and not-strong people in the context of social problems was when he said that strong women don't get sexually harassed. So when he breaks out the whole "strong people don't suffer from social problem X" formula again, I can understand folks not really being interested in giving him the benefit of the doubt! pacerhimself posted:It takes a serious amount of hubris or maybe just delusional thinking to have so much terrible poo poo in your past and think you can run for loving president and not have it come out. Possibly both hubris and delusional thinking. Even though it's coming out, it's not hurting him nearly as much as most people tended to assume it would. And to some extent, I think he might have realized that and been counting on that. I don't think it's a Trump-specific thing like a lot of people seem to be assuming, either. I suspect that people just tend to overestimate the impact of scandals, particularly in big, high-profile races.
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Furnaceface posted:Just wait until they find the bodies trapped in the concrete of his tower. So THAT'S where Hoffa went 
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Main Paineframe posted:Even though it's coming out, it's not hurting him nearly as much as most people tended to assume it would. And to some extent, I think he might have realized that and been counting on that. I don't think it's a Trump-specific thing like a lot of people seem to be assuming, either. I suspect that people just tend to overestimate the impact of scandals, particularly in big, high-profile races. That charity thing could cost him tens to hundreds of millions of dollars. He funnels a lot of money through there. And the most optimistic assessment of his worth is only like 3.5 billion. He doesn't have too many hundreds of millions of open money to publicly lose before he can't even pretend to be a billionaire anymore.
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On Terra Firma posted:It has a lot of consequences beyond just cash flow. When lenders were looking at my books in the process of buying a home they were like "Why aren't these companies paying you" and I just kind of threw my hands up and said I don't know. Then they blamed me for not getting money on time which makes me a greater risk for them. Yes lenders blamed me for not being paid on time by companies they refused to pay on time. That was a good couple of months. I'm glad that my family's small business involves selling direct to consumer. We use contractors and pay them on time, but boy do they get panicky when there's a bank error or whatever and it doesn't go through. They are obviously used to the runaround.
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HorseRenoir posted:New Q polls: White uneducated people. But yeah, Trump absolutely needs Florida and without it he fails.
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HorseRenoir posted:Clinton up +5 in Florida is good news, I have no idea what's up with Ohio though trump's singular focus on manufacturing jobs, nafta, etc. fall flat pretty much everywhere except the rust belt
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HorseRenoir posted:New Q polls: I will 100% take winning Florida and NC. If that happens we don't need Ohio in the least.
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HorseRenoir posted:New Q polls: Even though the rally she had there a few minutes ago was impressive, Ohio is probably a lost cause. Ohio is a swingstate in the sense that they are voting for whoever promises the most change in Ohio because no one wants to live in Ohio as it is now. It's filled to the brim with old white men with no higher education.
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Night10194 posted:I will 100% take winning Florida and NC. If that happens we don't need Ohio in the least. We don't need Ohio even without those two. Though I'd love those two to be added to the "firewall" so we can sleep better at night.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Ok. I found the quote, I completely misheard and she didn't use the word insane at all. Thats what I get for trying to listen to the radio with a screaming toddler in the car. Here is what I heard. Kind of annoying in the sense that Hillary is a lovely center-right moderate that thinks basic healthcare and education as a right is asking for rainbows and ponies, but not really anything outrageous or shocking.
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cant cook creole bream posted:It's filled to the brim with old white men with no higher education. White, non educated men are the swing state deciding factor in this election. States with a large amount of them (Ohio, Iowa) are going R, states with relatively fewer of them (Florida, North Carolina) are going D.
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