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Apraxin posted:Ok, Trump's now addressing the tax revelations directly for I think the first time: in short, he did a moral thing by taking advantage of legal means to escape the undue burdens of the unfair tax system, and by reducing his overhead he was able to benefit his employees and investors, invest in rejuvenating communities, and generally do good in the world. His competitors went under, but by using his business savvy he saved his workers jobs and rebuild his company in difficult times. And what a great job he did! Doesn't really matter if his rally crowd eats it up. Also, the easy counterpoint is that, uh, he got those breaks BECAUSE he went under.
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Trabisnikof posted:Do you think the dirty tricks Republicans usually try have no effect? Yes, but their dirty tricks are A) generally easy for people to dismiss and B) not the plot of a loving tom clancy novel.
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Just straight loving up the voter registration database for key "urban" areas would stop a ton of people from voting. Even if you KNOW it's an error, any post-election day drama about corrections, recounts, letting those who were denied get a chance to vote, is going to be a huge cluster gently caress even if it gets resolved. Of course Trump is gonna lose regardless.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:It's crazy to me that people in this thread are so desperate for something to worry about that when Hillary seems to be crushing it we have to worry about Russia stealing our election and giving us Trump. This isn't Russia and Obama isn't going to have people killed for speaking out about improprieties in the election system in some insane bid to get Trump elected. Agreed this isn't Russia and we'll do it all just and civil. In Trump v. Clinton
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PA is going to be very close this year-- closer than Florida, likely-- and uses electronic voting machines with no paper trail. If there's going to be a hack, it'll be there.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:PA is going to be very close this year No.
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Oxxidation posted:Do they run primarily for downticket races? Are their policy positions coherent? Do they restrain from routinely humiliating themselves on social media? I like Socialist Alternative because they have actually managed to get actual things done over the past few years. $15 minimum wage passed in cities they pushed for it. An elected leader (Kshama Sawant). And support (created) the largest socialist magazine in the United States. I can't think of any other third party doing anything similar.
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PA is going to be within 4-8 this year like it always is. The GOP will think it's getting close and then have the state cruelly ripped away on election day. Also, if DHS is already aware of these intrusion attempts I'm not too worried about them.
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So, i think this thread is where you update about family politic drama? so in a huge turn of events my dad who always voted for the GOP since the 70's and hated Bill Clinton will be voting all democrat this November, it kind of cool so i am happy. he thinks Hillary will be a good president. MY cosion on the other hand is a bit of a rear end in a top hat, he hates trump and is democrat in heart but he hate Hillary with a passion, honestly believe she killed people (but slick willy never killed) and rigged the entire primaries. he also believe that social justice is how the nazis got their start and get pissy about the kneeling at the anthem at football games. but good news he won't be voting since we live in a blue state so he thinks his vote don't matter. Cyron fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:Yes, but their dirty tricks are A) generally easy for people to dismiss and B) not the plot of a loving tom clancy novel. A) I think you might be underestimating how often Republicans get away with illegal voter disenfranchisement and B) if this was a Tom Clancy novel McMuffin would be the surprise winner after he exposes plot to rig it all
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:It's crazy to me that people in this thread are so desperate for something to worry about that when Hillary seems to be crushing it we have to worry about Russia stealing our election and giving us Trump. This isn't Russia and Obama isn't going to have people killed for speaking out about improprieties in the election system in some insane bid to get Trump elected. You get that just because we're talking about something that isn't strictly positive it doesn't mean that we're freaking out or whatever, right? Sometimes it feels like this thread is so loving on edge.
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I'm trying not to fall into some "rah rah America Number 1" exceptionalism crap but some of you guys are making it tough. The US can do literally anything the Russians can do in regards to technology and military and do it way better. There are probably NSA think tanks that spend their days laughing about some pathetically failed Russian attempt at something or rather.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:I think it'd be pretty obvious if the vote counts were tampered with, and if anything would just end up in an even more embarrassing eventual defeat for the GOP. I wouldn't worry about it. Wrong Direction. November 8: Hillary wins by a wide margin. Or a narrow margin. Literally any margin. November 9: Trump has already warned he'll only lose if there's fraud or cheating. Obama won by wide enough margins the only way bitter Republicans could question his legitimacy was going to the Birth Certificate. Here? Let's say half of Trump's supporters are the deplorable racist bigots that have come to be associated with him. Let's say half of those believe the conspiracy. I don't want to look at an American Political Future where 20%+ of the country's voters believe the election was literally stolen from them (yes, yes, Bush/Gore. I wouldn't expect the restraint we saw from Dems out of this set). It's not all that implausible. A substantial subset of the left still believe that Guccifer2.0/DNCHacks/DCLeaks have nothing to do with Russia despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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Paradoxish posted:You get that just because we're talking about something that isn't strictly positive it doesn't mean that we're freaking out or whatever, right? Sometimes it feels like this thread is so loving on edge. "Very concerning" to me implies more than just a passing feeling. Perhaps it is I who is freaked out. Trabisnikof posted:A) I think you might be underestimating how often Republicans get away with illegal voter disenfranchisement I'm aware, but I think this is a bit different in scope and nature.
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Cyron posted:So, i think this thread is where you update about family politic drama? so in a huge turn of events my dad who always voted for the GOP since the 70's and hated Bill Clinton will be voting all democrat this November, it kind of cool so i am happy. he thinks Hillary will be a good president. I wish my own family political drama could end so well. My dad, a Republican since 1980, has given up all hope of defending Trump, acknowledging that he's a terrible person who would make a terrible president, but he's voting for him anyway because he says the most important thing is the Supreme Court.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:PA is going to be very close this year-- closer than Florida, likely-- and uses electronic voting machines with no paper trail. If there's going to be a hack, it'll be there. Nah, PA is the perfect sand trap for GOP Presidential candidates. Every election since at least 2000 it has always seemed surprisingly close in polling and worth a lot of EVs, so GOP candidates bite and devote precious resources to a state that never seems to flip. One thing I've noticed (and I have no idea if 538 has a name or value for this) is some states are a lot more sensitive to national polling than others. Look at Colorado, which apparently went from +10% to a virtual tie and then back to being +11% for Hillary within a month. That's a state with very elastic polling. PA is the opposite, it tends to hover around +2-5% democrats, but never quite swings far enough right for the GOP to grab. It's always just slightly out of reach, too tempting to ignore.
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davebo posted:I just can't resist taking a peek at article comments, and got a kick out of this one: "Oh YEAH? I heard that Hillary FORCED Chelsea to suck on her breasts for YEARS." Typed one-handed
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:"Very concerning" to me implies more than just a passing feeling. Perhaps it is I who is freaked out It concerns me that they might be willing to try. I'm not worried about it swinging the election, but I'm not worried about the election in general. Hillary is going to win. She was always going to win. There's no point in having huge week to week mood shifts based on polling numbers or stupid Trumpisms.
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Geoff Peterson posted:Wrong Direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzX12IApPpk
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Trabisnikof posted:Do you think the dirty tricks Republicans usually try have no effect? It'd be pretty funny if Trump coordinated with Putin on this and insisted that his hackers make sure he wins California by at least 50 points.
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Winkie01 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5CGAZa8SiU Maggie Hassan like 
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Was it 2008 or 2012 when 538 published little blurbs on all the states offering interesting analysis of their voting patterns over time and which local districts to watch to see who is winning? That was really cool and I want it back.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Should I feel bad for liking the Socialist Alternative Party? Even if I don't like the Green Party? Meh, it seems like generic socialist party #427. They are doing it right and focusing on small races, but some of the politics of the people they're trying to get elected are concerning. Like trying to get someone elected who wanted to ban all burning of fossil fuels in washington. I'm all for taking care of the enviroment, but even having that position throws up some serious red flags about the person's grasp on reality and the group supporting them to me.
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Cop Porn Popper posted:Meh, it seems like generic socialist party #427. They are doing it right and focusing on small races, but some of the politics of the people they're trying to get elected are concerning. Like trying to get someone elected who wanted to ban all burning of fossil fuels in washington. I'm all for taking care of the enviroment, but even having that position throws up some serious red flags about the person's grasp on reality and the group supporting them to me. IIRC they wanted that to be an end goal rather than an immediate policy.
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Subvisual Haze posted:Nah, PA is the perfect sand trap for GOP Presidential candidates. Every election since at least 2000 it has always seemed surprisingly close in polling and worth a lot of EVs, so GOP candidates bite and devote precious resources to a state that never seems to flip. At the end of the day half the loving state lives in the Philly metro area and that's a hard hurdle to cross.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:PA is going to be very close this year No it's not. The GOP and everyone on the right crow about THIS YEAR WE WIN PA and they don't come close. PA went for Obama by 5 points. Trump isn't going to beat a 5 point spread plus the demographic changes that are unfavorable to him and would increase the spread. Trump also has no ground game. Maybe if he had registration turnout like the Dems are having in Florida then maybe he could put PA in play but he's not. He's Trump, a lazy rich rear end in a top hat who isn't doing any work and thinks he'll just win, or doesn't give a poo poo about winning and plans to launch some major media empire or whatever after he loses. Assuming he doesn't incite a bunch of neo-nazis to violence and get himself killed.
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boner confessor posted:i forgot he actually sailed his fleet into a typhoon twice My grandfather and a lot of good men barfed a bunch.
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Cop Porn Popper posted:Meh, it seems like generic socialist party #427. They are doing it right and focusing on small races, but some of the politics of the people they're trying to get elected are concerning. Like trying to get someone elected who wanted to ban all burning of fossil fuels in washington. I'm all for taking care of the enviroment, but even having that position throws up some serious red flags about the person's grasp on reality and the group supporting them to me. I could see it for power there - Washington state has a whole 81.5% of its power generation coming from renewable sources, most of which is hydroelectricity. They get another 8.2% of their power from nuclear. So taking off the remaining 8.1% natural gas and 1.8% coal is probably doable. Especially since the coal plant left is going to shut down in the next couple years. Obviously taking out all the automotive and airplane and whatever use of fossil fuels isn't going to be practical anytime soon. But they'd be pretty easy to remove from electric generation.
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Paradoxish posted:It concerns me that they might be willing to try. I'm not worried about it swinging the election, but I'm not worried about the election in general. Hillary is going to win. She was always going to win. There's no point in having huge week to week mood shifts based on polling numbers or stupid Trumpisms. Yeah this is what concerns me. That someone out there is trying to mess with the system is the very concerning part.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What would you recommend from a policy standpoint to combat this? My totally crazy idea is to fund VA armories. If you're a veteran and you have a gun, you're entitled to a secure gun locker to store any personally owned firearms, no questions asked. The only catch is that once you store one, you have to schedule an appointment no less than one week in advance to get them back out. This of course doesn't fix everything, but suicide is an impulsive act. This buys people time.
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cant cook creole bream posted:The only reason Trump doesn't have conspiracy theories surrounding him ist that all his bad behavior can be proven by facts. Conspiracy nutjobs don't really care for conspiracies which are factually true. Well, that isn't entirely true. They just speak about them, like ECHELON, NSA and The Five Eyes, until they're proven true and then either have a moment of "I told you so" or move onto the next thing "deeper into the rabbit hole". Conspiracies become boring if they're proven true. Trump is someone who the public would probably believe anything about at this point, and thus you don't have the hook of plausible deniability or possible subterfuge that you could get from talking poo poo about the Clinton Foundation or WHO. There's nothing legitimate about Trump, I can probably joke about him being a goddamn Boy from Brazil and the sad thing is, at this point, it could turn out to be factual within the week Trabisnikof posted:Do you think the dirty tricks Republicans usually try have no effect? Virgina recently had machines as far back as 2008 and 2012 where the password was Admin or probably 01234.. A lot of the country's computer infrastructure is probably very lax and out-of-date, but there is possibly a ironic defense in that as old or as shoddily programed as some states are, there is a likelihood that the World's Greatest Super Hacker couldn't even get through the horrible Windows 95 monster that's festered in the state government's servers up until now. Wouldn't hurt for government types to, you know, get on that and fix it - but spending and money.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:This scares me. Surely it's not that easy.. If you're patient and play conservatively it's essentially free money. Just check out the comments in any of the markets to see who's money you'll be taking.
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punk rebel ecks posted:IIRC they wanted that to be an end goal rather than an immediate policy. It was part of her platform while campaigning for the washington house, so I figured it was more than a pie in the sky dream type thing. Though my personal preferences are probably getting in the way and coloring my opinion, so meh.
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Maybe related to the tax returns that leaked... He meant to write Bahamas in the tweet https://twitter.com/patdennis/status/783107726385696768 https://twitter.com/patdennis/status/783111594628689920
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I'm trying not to fall into some "rah rah America Number 1" exceptionalism crap but some of you guys are making it tough. The US can do literally anything the Russians can do in regards to technology and military and do it way better. There are probably NSA think tanks that spend their days laughing about some pathetically failed Russian attempt at something or rather. This is all true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_(malware) http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-just-found-an-advanced-form-of-malware-that-s-been-hiding-for-at-least-5-years
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RevKrule posted:Diamond Joe has weighed in about the PTSD comments and to say he's not pleased is an understatement. They showed this on Maddow. I don't think I can say anything else that he didn't say.
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