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Karloff posted:I'm still not sure what point they were trying to make on diversity. "I guess diversity is good, I guess, but, but, but, it's symbolic of this being made by a corporation, and kids don't care so really it would have been better if they were all white men, y'know, like the old Star Wars" Plus they specifically condemn the racist and sexist trolls who were bashing the film just for having black and female leads. I wouldn’t put them in the same category as those assholes. But yeah, overall this seemed a lot less coherent than the other videos. I especially didn’t understand the point they were trying to make about romance and sex somehow being integral to the original trilogy, when the only romance in those films was between Han and Leia and that only really got started in the second one.
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I think the real issue here is that we don't have 10-20 years of distance to look back on the current Star Wars franchise and fandom. Keeping that in mind, I really enjoyed the new Plinkett review. Now we'll just if they'll make a new one to follow up in 2026 after some of the other Star Wars movies have come out. If YouTube hasn't imploded into a black hole by then.
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Bakeneko posted:But yeah, overall this seemed a lot less coherent than the other videos. I especially didn’t understand the point they were trying to make about romance and sex somehow being integral to the original trilogy, when the only romance in those films was between Han and Leia and that only really got started in the second one. The first movie makes it pretty clear that Luke is crushing on Leia pretty hard, because at that point they weren't siblings and of course the hero needs to get the girl. Of course, I also think TFA makes it pretty clear that Finn is crushing on Rey in this movie, it's just not his #1 motivation (which is escaping the First Order), but RLM seem to think that's less than clear? So maybe it's me who's dumb.
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I think that Plinkett was off the mark with the whole 'why didn't Rey & Finn kiss' thing. I mean, I think it's nice for a movie to actually not have the two leads not hook up, but they did seem to have chemistry to me (especially considering neither actually was probably into much of a dating scene - not much opportunities for romance as a stormtrooper or junker). I'd rather they actually, you know, build up to it. I think (hope) that the reason why TFA played it safe was because they had to manage the hype and the disappointment from the prequels. Weren't they literally going to have more Han in it until Ford broke his leg and they had to rewrite? And they wound up having to take a risk. I hope they're going to take more in the sequels, because the new cast is absolutely one of the strongest parts.
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The criticisms of TFA were rather weak, since the diversity and lack of a romantic subplot are both big pluses in my book. I think this video was more about Plinkett than Mike. Even as recent as his Star Trek: Beyond review and Ghostbusters review, Mike was still singing endless praises for TFA. So yeah, I do think this was kinda answering an obligatory call to nitpick the movie in a few ways. Also, every time someone says TFA didn't take risks, I just gesture frantically at Kylo Ren who is anything BUT a villain of the week.
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that diversity segment is such a bunch of bullshit, the argument that "children don't care" is true, obviously, but that's because they haven't learnt to care, instead, they internalise if you've spent ANY time around children, they're loving sponges for everything, they very much understand the implied nature of "boys do this, girls do this," in media, things like the older star wars movies reinforce the idea that men are the heroes and women are the princess it's important that diversity is a thing in films like star wars because of that fact, who cares if it makes people feel warm and fuzzy, it has a real effect on the development of children
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Falstaff posted:The first movie makes it pretty clear that Luke is crushing on Leia pretty hard, because at that point they weren't siblings and of course the hero needs to get the girl. And you’re not dumb; TFA is quite blatant in setting up Finn and Rey to become a couple in the future, it's just happening at a more realistic pace than it would in a lot of movies. Redlettermedia is suggesting that they should have progressed all the way from being total strangers to kissing within the timeframe of this one film.
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Karloff posted:I've been losing my fondness for RLM for a while now, this new video seems decidedly not self-aware, and they seem to be skirting around the angry anti-feminist weirdo demographic, which is troubling to behold. At least this time they're not like "it's all a marketing conspiracy, hateful bigots don't really exist or constantly harass women online". That was ridiculously myopic.
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kaleidolia posted:At least this time they're not like "it's all a marketing conspiracy, hateful bigots don't really exist or constantly harass women online". That was ridiculously myopic. They literally never said that. They rightfully called out how shamelessly Ghostbusters capitalized on those incidents in order to deflect all criticism. It was the film industry equivalent of the "Bernie Bros" narrative. Critical and financial reception for the movie became totally imbricated in fake political scandal that was just to sell a lovely loving reboot. It was the most cynical loving thing ever.
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That was a fairly weak Plinkett review for sure - I honestly think it would have been better served to just bait-and-switch and end before even getting into the Episode 6 stuff and just say that the fundamental problem isn't the movie, it's the Disney $$$ underpinning it all which will make it designed by marketing committee and just leave it there. Trying to endlessly tiptoe around "diversity is great but..." got really annoying, and I feel like the "no sex in space" thing could have been done better. And it's not that there aren't criticisms of the movie, just what they presented was fairly weak other than the obvious point of "okay, the first one is a gimme but please please please do something original after this despite being made by a corporation that demands its products print money reliably". Defending the first Plinkett reviews against lovely contrarian click-bait seemed to just be filler and low-hanging fruit. Like here's a good "character" review of TFA (in my opinion) which I think does a great job breaking down what's wrong; in short why the movie left me with an immediate feeling of "I enjoyed that, however I really don't feel I need to see it again anytime soon" as the end credits rolled. HULK SMASH FILM CRIT
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That Plinket review felt like no one really had their heart in the making of it but that they had to make it because it's what made them big in the first place. The Crystal Skull of reviews.
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Beefstew posted:They literally never said that. They rightfully called out how shamelessly Ghostbusters capitalized on those incidents in order to deflect all criticism. It was the film industry equivalent of the "Bernie Bros" narrative. Critical and financial reception for the movie became totally imbricated in fake political scandal that was just to sell a lovely loving reboot. It was the most cynical loving thing ever. You could argue that some reviewers were overly generous in response, but I don't recall the production doing or saying anything about it. Motto fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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Motto posted:You could argue that it led to some reviewers going in with an overly generous mindset, but I don't recall the production doing or saying anything about it. There are several clips just in the video RLM posted about it that include Paul Fieg and others making those points. It's eerily akin to George Lucas's self-congratulatory treatment of Red Tails and the manufactured controversy around that.
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Hbomberguy posted:I will endeavour to be funny without screeching next time. I'm experimenting with these things called 'jokes'. Jokes? Isn't that what grandpa used to call a meme?
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Please look forward to my new film critic and seventh art analysis youtube channel, the Cinema Cum Dumpster.
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Oh god no please
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I feel like Film Crit Hulk might have some good criticism, but it's nigh-impossible to make out under that gimmick. Which they don't even commit properly to. Those sentences are way too complex and grammatical for the Hulk. It's basically the No Man's Sky of gimmicky internet criticism. 
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Puppy Time posted:I feel like Film Crit Hulk might have some good criticism, but it's nigh-impossible to make out under that gimmick. TheMaestroso posted:Oh god no please Get this and quit whining
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If I need a bookmarklet to take out a key part of the writer's voice to actually gain the will to read their work, I'm probably not inclined to think they have the writing skill to be worth listening to with regards to their views on the arts.
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Film Hulk sure did have nothing nice to say about people who disliked Mass Effect 3's ending. Haven't bothered to look at anything he has ever written since. Well, on top of his gimmick being stupid and annoying to read.
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Read Film Crit Grey Hulk to read movie reviews written by a sarcastic superpowered mobster
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Remember that game studio that tried to sue Steam and others? They dropped the lawsuit.
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Jimbot posted:Film Hulk sure did have nothing nice to say about people who disliked Mass Effect 3's ending. Haven't bothered to look at anything he has ever written since. Well, on top of his gimmick being stupid and annoying to read. Basically this.
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Mraagvpeine posted:Remember that game studio that tried to sue Steam and others? They dropped the lawsuit. And they have learned nothing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX6Ge-KaoZg linked in that article is the  part of the DigiHom sagamy take: I don't believe it, if it was the steam equivalent of a mafia casino I can't see siblings Romine defending their games with such honest vitriol. did they reap the windfall of idlers? sure, but it being the brothers' interned revue stream is a stretch. skullhead tethyis fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Do not even ask posted:That Plinket review felt like no one really had their heart in the making of it but that they had to make it because it's what made them big in the first place. The Crystal Skull of reviews. This is exactly what I got out of it. Really, listen to how he talked about it, about TFA being a repeat of New Hope, about the same lines, the same beats. Now realize what all the memorable lines of this review are. "But your brain did" "Hookers, my creepy basement" "Pizza rolls" Or rather, how the ones you remember are ones you already remembered from his originals. gently caress sakes, there's nothing on the level of Monster Mash in this one, let alone a simple one like acid in your cup. Even the Kevin Bacon joke is a reworded reuse. Mike did not want to make it, he just felt forced, and drove the character archetype into the basement in the process.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KznZcK7ksf4 Lindsey doing a video essay on why Hercules underperformed I feel really bad that this was all made basically so Ron Clements could get a chance to make Treasure Planet Though I actually really like Hercules because it introduced me to Greek Mythology. Hope she does an essay on Treasure Planet and those other 2K Disney movies that got the shaft from viewers and critics. Atlantis is a good movie drat it 
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achillesforever6 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KznZcK7ksf4 I'll admit,Hades was my favorite character in the whole thing. James Woods' performance was great.
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Hercules terrified me as a child because of the Fates. The fact that they were bumbling idiots that randomly killed people because they grabbed the wrong string terrified me. And, I mean, that's the point of the Fates, that poo poo Happens™ and it's not necessarily fair or right, but I was not prepared to wrestle with mortality and the capricious, fleeting nature of life at seven years old.
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skullhead tethyis posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX6Ge-KaoZg Yeah, from all the bumbling incompetence and assholery I've seen, I really can't imagine the Digihom boys thinking that strategically.
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achillesforever6 posted:Atlantis is a good movie drat it Thanks for reminding me of a Newgrounds page I haven't seen or thought about in probably a decade https://www.newgrounds.com/lit/atlantis.html
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achillesforever6 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KznZcK7ksf4 The fact that this was the second video today to use the same specific Walter White clip (the other being today's Jimquisition) was loving with my head a bit, to point that had to think back for a second to verify to myself that it was two videos and not a single running gag in Lindsay's. But yeah, that was a good video. I have a soft spot for Hercules myself, and it was nice to have a good, thorough analysis of both where it succeeded and where it faltered from a filmmaking perspective where the other Renaissance films didn't. I've been (slowly) marathoning through the full Disney animation library with a friend of mine and are very close to reaching the Renaissance, so I might have to show him that once we get there and see what he thinks. Trash Boat fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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After watching a bit of that video, I went on a little nostalgia trip because that movie was my poo poo as a lil kid, and Hades was awesome. I guess they did a live action thing in that TV show, but for some drat reason it's not played by James Woods. Huh? How can you do such a thing.
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I think the reason why Hercules, and Atlantis, and Treasure Planet underperformed because they were more straight-up boy adventure movies and not lush, ambitious productions with broader appeal, like Beauty and the Beast and Alladin. These movies are beloved by nerdy millenials who dig Gerald Scarfe and Mike Mignola, but they didn't do much to fulfill the demand for the universal, moral-centered super-entertainment that earned a Best Picture nomination for B&B. Hercules is still the best Superman movie.
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Atlantis and Treasure Planet I know I've seen at least once or twice before, but I can recollect so little from either, Hercules however I remember most of no problem. Also Hercules had some great songs while again, I really don't remember any from the other two.
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I'm pretty sure Treasure Planet and Atlantis weren't musicals.
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Jsor posted:I'm pretty sure Treasure Planet and Atlantis weren't musicals. Treasure Planet had the amazing required-by-law-in-the-early-2000s licensed music video section.
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Jsor posted:I'm pretty sure Treasure Planet and Atlantis weren't musicals. Welp, that explains that then I guess
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