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Oct 4, 2016 16:48
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Zaphod42 posted:Also I was saying to a friend of mine that Westworld reminds me of Jurassic Park and apparently the original movie was written by John Crichton? Of course it was. Michael Crichton wrote Jurassic Park and Westworld. John Crichton was an astronaut who got shot through a wormhole.
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Oct 4, 2016 16:51
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah I was really hoping we'd see other words, although it being called "Westworld" does make it seem like the western setting is going to be the major focus, and it'd be very expensive to produce period-clothing and everything for several different worlds. I don't see why it has to be that expensive. HBO probably still has tons of costumes from Rome, so they could easily show some hosts getting prepped without having to shell out $$$ for the location shoots or sets (which seem like the real cost center). I doubt we'll see inside RomanWorld or SpaceWorld much, but the show should be able to allude to their existence for fairly cheap.
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Oct 4, 2016 16:54
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Flatscan posted:Michael Crichton wrote Jurassic Park and Westworld. John Crichton was an astronaut who got shot through a wormhole.  oh, you're right.Although apparently Michael Crichton's full name is John Michael Crichton, so technically I'm not wrong! vonnegutt posted:I don't see why it has to be that expensive. HBO probably still has tons of costumes from Rome, so they could easily show some hosts getting prepped without having to shell out $$$ for the location shoots or sets (which seem like the real cost center). I doubt we'll see inside RomanWorld or SpaceWorld much, but the show should be able to allude to their existence for fairly cheap. Reading about the original film (Which I'll have to watch this weekend or something) They had RomeWorld and MedievalWorld, and WestWorld and that was it. (And Futureworld in the poorly received sequel) So not like a dozen realities, so maybe they could end up showing us some of RomeWorld, just a tease or something. Re-use some Game of Thrones sets or costumes for MedievalWorld  If the next season took place entirely in RomeWorld that'd make me soooo happy, but I don't see that happening and I don't really mind the Western setting either.
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Oct 4, 2016 17:08
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The original movie has lots of long dull stretches where it sticks with the two boring protagonists. Yul Brenner is definitely the best thing about it, but you're not missing much by not watching it. It doesn't go nearly as deep as the show, pretty much just "the robots break down and the Gunslinger is tired of being shot everyday".
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Oct 4, 2016 17:13
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If you can't handle the movie, you can always watch the Simpsons episode based on it. It's the same story, just 22 minutes long.
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Oct 4, 2016 17:24
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:"Freedom is earned not received." I mean maybe, would make sense but Ed Harris seems to want to discover the truth, not just uphold the status quo
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Oct 4, 2016 17:25
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sector_corrector posted:The conversation between Bernard and Ford indicates that (at least at some level) humanity has progressed to post-scarcity levels of existence. We don't know if everyone has that luxury, or if it's just a slight percentage of humans while everyone else lives in squalor, but I think that getting an answer to that will prove to be important to the plot. Capitalism for the poor, replicators for the rich. They did complain about rich assholes quite a bit.
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Oct 4, 2016 18:33
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Would you guys gently caress these bots?  .... oh God, I just realized someone probably has to clean semen out the androids every day.  Caufman posted:My crazy idea is that she is an android prophet. Oh hell yes. 
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Oct 4, 2016 19:19
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That robot riding a horse in the title sequence looks sort of like Delores.
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Oct 4, 2016 19:22
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So do the hosts consciously know that they're androids when they are in the park and following their scripts? They clearly know it "deep down" when they're being interviewed in the facility, but when Teddy shoots at the black hat he seems almost surprised that he can't hurt him, as if he doesn't know the truth in that moment (unless that's part of his script).
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Oct 4, 2016 19:41
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El Jeffe posted:So do the hosts consciously know that they're androids when they are in the park and following their scripts? They clearly know it "deep down" when they're being interviewed in the facility Well, Dolores's interview began with them asking her if she knew where she was, and the (apparently satisfactory) asnwer was "in a dream." So I don't know that the hosts perceive the interviews very much after the fact, or if they do it's weird dream poo poo.
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Oct 4, 2016 19:50
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Ghetto Prince posted:
Randal Graves: [reading a magazine] You know how much money the average jizz-mopper makes per hour? Dante Hicks: What's a jizz-mopper? -Clerks (1994)
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Oct 4, 2016 19:50
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Ghetto Prince posted:
This scene was creepy as hell to me. Not because of any sexual stuff but that it made me think of a child playing with their doll. The lady couldn't get the emotional satisfaction she wanted from another person so she grabbed a quick kiss from the doll when no one was looking. The shot actually made me feel sad for her. Also, what was up with all the security guys going weapons ready to the lower level? No accident in 30 years but when they go to the lower level the roll in with force.
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Oct 4, 2016 19:51
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They are the first reasonable group of people that are dealing with sophisticated AI and taking the proper security measures, no matter how many scientists say "don't worry."
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Oct 4, 2016 19:52
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Just wanna say, the "robotic" acting that the host actors and actresses are doing is fantastic stuff. It could easily be cheesy, but they're putting real emotion and work into making themselves appear like machines that turn off and on. Dolores' father's sequence with the "access previous build" was particularly well done. The way he started spazzing out when his code got buggy seemed pretty believable. El Jeffe posted:So do the hosts consciously know that they're androids when they are in the park and following their scripts? They clearly know it "deep down" when they're being interviewed in the facility, but when Teddy shoots at the black hat he seems almost surprised that he can't hurt him, as if he doesn't know the truth in that moment (unless that's part of his script). No way, when Ed Harris' character was facing down Teddy, it was definitely a big reveal to Teddy that he couldn't shoot Ed Harris. He was in utter shock and disbelief. It wasn't something they were consciously aware of. Its not part of their programming to understand that they are programmed. They're not yet self-aware, although Dolores' father came very close. That said, some people are speculating that Teddy was intentionall programmed to believe himself to be a Guest, so that could actually be an exception. Alehkhs posted:Well, Dolores's interview began with them asking her if she knew where she was, and the (apparently satisfactory) asnwer was "in a dream." So I don't know that the hosts perceive the interviews very much after the fact, or if they do it's weird dream poo poo. Stuff like this though makes me think they do not and are not supposed to. In fact, the whole question "Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality?" seems like a test. If the robots ever start to ask questions, they're put on ice before they start causing trouble. Its like the creators know they have the potential for self-awareness and are trying their best to avoid it and keep them ignorant.
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Oct 4, 2016 19:54
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Max posted:They are the first reasonable group of people that are dealing with sophisticated AI and taking the proper security measures, no matter how many scientists say "don't worry." Part of the orientation for being on the security team is watching Jurassic Park 50 times.
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Oct 4, 2016 19:54
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Deadulus posted:Also, what was up with all the security guys going weapons ready to the lower level? No accident in 30 years but when they go to the lower level the roll in with force. They're aware that they're massively outnumbered by the robots. Even if they're not self-aware, these are robots designed to simulate murder on each other. A small bug in programming could turn them all into killbots.
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Oct 4, 2016 19:55
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The characters themselves are self aware. "We're in a story written by the author of Jurassic Park."
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Oct 4, 2016 19:55
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Max posted:The characters themselves are self aware. Clever girl.
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Oct 4, 2016 19:57
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I think the secret corporate goal of Westworld is as an experiment for evolving an artificial sentience. They could build the bodies and expert system software, but the only way to birth an artificial sentience capable of moral decision making was for them to let it interact in the "real world" for as long as it took. Most of the hosts get memory wiped, but a few like the Gunslinger don't, by design. Give it a country western theme & the guests will cover the cost, at least partially. You could accomplish all the goals of the AI sandbox program just as easily in cowboy boots. Those horses would be a loving nightmare though. How do these things power themselves anyway?
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Oct 4, 2016 19:58
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Max posted:They are the first reasonable group of people that are dealing with sophisticated AI and taking the proper security measures, no matter how many scientists say "don't worry." Yeah, I actually really enjoyed that the security guards take every situation seriously and no matter if their entire career is false alarms, every time they prepare for the worst So far the management seems borderline paranoid about the robots going crazy and killing people, no matter how remote the possibility, because that is the only sensible attitude override367 fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 20:00
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El Jeffe posted:So do the hosts consciously know that they're androids when they are in the park and following their scripts? They clearly know it "deep down" when they're being interviewed in the facility, but when Teddy shoots at the black hat he seems almost surprised that he can't hurt him, as if he doesn't know the truth in that moment (unless that's part of his script). They don't have self-awareness at all. The "I'm in a dream" stuff seems like it's basically a cutesey audio-based interface for admin access. Or at least, they didn't before the new update gave them the capability to. Bass Bottles fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 20:00
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physeter posted:I think the secret corporate goal of Westworld is as an experiment for evolving an artificial sentience. They could build the bodies and expert system software, but the only way to birth an artificial sentience capable of moral decision making was for them to let it interact in the "real world" for as long as it took. Most of the hosts get memory wiped, but a few like the Gunslinger don't, by design. Give it a country western theme & the guests will cover the cost, at least partially. You could accomplish all the goals of the AI sandbox program just as easily in cowboy boots. Those horses would be a loving nightmare though. Yeah its possible. Some other goon said before it felt kinda like they were working on robots and ran out of money and this whole theme park thing is a way to keep the company afloat, or they had some huge mishap and had to shut down most of their production other than entertainment. physeter posted:How do these things power themselves anyway? This is a very good question that hopefully the show will never even attempt to answer. "Future technology".
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Oct 4, 2016 20:05
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Mods please add "Its D-O-L-O-R-E-S" to the thread title. By season two you all will be calling her Delorean.
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Oct 4, 2016 20:05
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physeter posted:How do these things power themselves anyway? No doubt with a power source that can be turned into a weapon in the very angry, vengeful hands of a robot
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Oct 4, 2016 20:06
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Bass Bottles posted:They don't have self-awareness at all. The "I'm in a dream" stuff seems like it's basically a cutesey audio-based interface for admin access. The update didn't give them self-awareness, it just let them tap into "their subconscious" (really unused memory from their past build which hadn't been overwritten yet, clever concept) But the idea is that being able to persist memories for longer than once cycle would allow them to start developing self-consciousness, which is why everybody is wiped every time and starts fresh. Anthony Hopkins' hack of using that sub-conscious data in order to create better and more realistic emotions and behavior is going to end up bringing the whole place down. Which is no doubt going to have some kind of message about how its our memories and emotions that define us as sentient beings or something. Life uh... finds a way.
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Oct 4, 2016 20:08
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Zaphod42 posted:The update didn't give them self-awareness, it just let them tap into "their subconscious" (really unused memory from their past build which hadn't been overwritten yet, clever concept) well the subconscious hasn't given them self awareness yet anyway, it's breaking most of them, but there's no way Hopkins is done tinkering it might give Dolores self awareness though, she might already be sapient and is just playing her role
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Oct 4, 2016 20:11
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In computers its usually not worth actually "deleting" something. When you delete data, you simply record that space as being available for future use in the memory tables, and then later it gets overwritten. But resetting everything to 0 just so you can later over-write it is kinda pointless, so usually you don't bother. (That's what secure delete / shred does, or better yet it overwrites the memory several times before setting it to 0, to make it harder to do forensics) One of my CS professors once told us that when he was young and working on a huge early computer that used punchcards, he realized he could take advantage of this, and he simply wrote a program that would print a memory dump of the state of the machine as soon as it was his turn to use it. (No personal computers back then) So he just dumps out all the memory, and then reads through it trying to figure out what the last person was doing on the machine. One time he got to execute his program just after the university had run its own management program, and he ended up printing out the salaries of all the professors on staff! This is the idea they used for the robot "sub-conscious", which is a clunky metaphor but a very cool narrative concept that is backed up by real computer science. 
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Oct 4, 2016 20:11
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Well anyway the story is that the robots are not sentient beings yet, but they'll obviously get there eventually
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Oct 4, 2016 20:16
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drunkill posted:The cost of visiting Westworld starts at $40,000 per day, so visiting for 2 weeks is pretty expensive. Considering that we already live in a world where people spend $10,000 and upwards for a Real Doll, these prices are kinda tame.
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Oct 4, 2016 20:18
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Westworld in a nutshell: Deadwood, Ghost in the Shell and Jurassic Park in a blender.Bass Bottles posted:Well anyway the story is that the robots are not sentient beings yet, but they'll obviously get there eventually Yeah sure. I just like talking about computers  The father was definitely showing some early signs of self-awareness, along with a mix of some Halo rampancy. Its gonna be a major theme.
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Oct 4, 2016 20:22
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Actually I wonder what sort of caloric yield you could get from combusting whiskey and milk.
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Oct 4, 2016 20:22
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Bass Bottles posted:Well anyway the story is that the robots are not sentient beings yet, but they'll obviously get there eventually I think it's going to be like the animals breeding from Jurassic Park: some robots have made the jump to sentience and may have been for some time
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Oct 4, 2016 20:24
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http://imgur.com/a/XmiRN "That doesn't sound like anything to me." Sorry guys, goon site broke img links for me. TheShrike fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 20:25
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Right click the picture, hit View Image and then link from there. 
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Oct 4, 2016 20:30
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Professor Shark posted:I think it's going to be like the animals breeding from Jurassic Park: some robots have made the jump to sentience and may have been for some time There's almost definitely gonna some character you thought was human revealed as a robot. Although that's honestly what happened to me with the cowboy on the train In the beginning. It was weird that the sheriff pointed to him and invited him to participate in the storyline as though he were a guest.
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Oct 4, 2016 20:32
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Bass Bottles posted:There's almost definitely gonna some character you thought was human revealed as a robot. the whole staff except Hopkins are robots also Hopkins
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Oct 4, 2016 20:48
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The whole show takes place inside of an autistic child's snowglobe.
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My money is on the lead engineer.
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