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i will white knight mcdonald's, chipotle is easy edit but seriously the secret to eating healthy is exercise and portion control, specific diet is much less important
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"Healthy" in modern society just translates to "makes you stop feeling hungry without having many calories". The root issue is just eating too much overall.
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yeah that's fair, foods that make you feel full are important, as is just plain ol' willpower which i suck at probably the most unhealthy food close by me is a Jersey Mike's Subs (which rules), but their largest-size sandwiches with mayo and cheese are easily over 2000 calories
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Oct 3, 2016 16:29
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I thought a lot of Americans were malnourished as well as overweight, so I think part of it is what people are eating as well.
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NYT says Twitter is up for sale. As usual, the problem is "How do you monetize this insanely popular service?"quote:Twitter, based in San Francisco, is talking with Salesforce.com, Google and others about a possible takeover of the company, people briefed on the discussions said on Friday. The talks are in the early stages, these people said, with no guarantee that a deal will be reached. In particular, Jack Dorsey, Twitter’s chief executive, is resistant to selling to some of the potential acquirers, they said.
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Goon contempt for Chipotle is up there next to furries and dollfuckers for some reason. But I guess since food itself is so closely tied to culture, mocking someone for defending/enjoying the 'wrong' kind of food is an easy way to try to establish status.
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WrenP-Complete posted:I thought a lot of Americans were malnourished as well as overweight, so I think part of it is what people are eating as well. Anybody who's already done the research on those care to chime in?
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Panfilo posted:Goon contempt for Chipotle is up there next to furries and dollfuckers for some reason. But I guess since food itself is so closely tied to culture, mocking someone for defending/enjoying the 'wrong' kind of food is an easy way to try to establish status. Just don't call it mexican food.
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Oct 3, 2016 16:41
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nm posted:Just don't call it mexican food. Of course not. If I wanted Mexican food I'd go to El Pollo Loco instead 
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Oct 3, 2016 16:43
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I genuinely don't know if this is true, and it also has a weird overlap with that "vitamins are actually useless" statement that I've also never seen verification of. This isn't my area, so no one jump down my throat (pun!). These are both about elders, I'll try to find a general population one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20863332?dopt=Abstract http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12603-015-0561-5
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Oct 3, 2016 16:51
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Here's a strongly-supported cite on multivitamins being at least useless if they aren't actively harmful. I'd be surprised if Annals of Internal Medicine isn't the real deal.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Here's a strongly-supported cite on multivitamins being at least useless if they aren't actively harmful. I'd be surprised if Annals of Internal Medicine isn't the real deal. Yeah, the two things (some Americans are malnourished and supplementary vitamins not being helpful to the generally healthy consumer) have a weird overlap but may both be true.
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WrenP-Complete posted:This isn't my area, so no one jump down my throat (pun!). These are both about elders, I'll try to find a general population one: The general impression I get from reading the abstracts of those articles is that they're not about malnutrition (not getting the right set of vitamins or what have you - for example, vitamin A deficiency), but about being malnourished (not getting enough food). The first one uses the mini nutritional assessment which does have questions about things like BMI, but if I'm reading it correctly, it ranks low BMI as bad (because you're not getting enough food to maintain a healthy weight), etc. The second one is correlating being malnourished with being chronically ill in older adults (for example, nausea can suppress your appetite), not having enough money to buy food, not having a refrigerator, etc. The factors they're looking at are things that make it harder to get and store food, and factors that may make food unappetizing.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:20
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WrenP-Complete posted:I think I saw a food network show about fast casual restaurants, maybe... 3 years ago? I can't remember the name of it, though, and googling doesn't bring up the name.  Burn California to the ground, tia.
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The vitaminchat is interesting but the linked papers seem to focus on stuff like cancer/heart attack in elders. Are there any that looked for stuff like incidence of minor diseases over the course of the study?
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The least healthy part of a Chipotle burrito is the tortilla, get a bowl and you lose 300 empty calories. Get brown rice on the bowl and all the carbs are low-GI, not a bad meal and I get it post workout all the time.
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Shugojin posted:The vitaminchat is interesting but the linked papers seem to focus on stuff like cancer/heart attack in elders. Are there any that looked for stuff like incidence of minor diseases over the course of the study? They've moved all the buttons on the search interface and I'm trying to find the right ICD-10 code to search for. Give me a second and hopefully I'll have something. Ninja edit: and if this is someone's field, please jump in, all these articles seem to use malnourishment and malnutrition as synonyms. So, I've got some stuff on infants and pregnant women. http://archive.unu.edu/unupress/food/V201e/ch08.htm https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19331703 And on vit D insufficiency in adults: http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/346/vitamin-d-insufficiency-due-to-insufficient-exposure-to-sunlight-and-related-pathology Some kind of global working group report: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4448820/ WrenP-Complete fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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three big Macs a day is healthier than the average American diet
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mastershakeman posted:three big Macs a day is healthier than the average American diet It's the fries and soda that get you.
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computer parts posted:It's the fries and soda that get you. It's honestly healthier to get an order of chicken nuggets as a side than it is to get fries.
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WrenP-Complete posted:And on vit D insufficiency in adults:
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DACK FAYDEN posted:If the goal was to terrify me into taking Vitamin D supplements, you succeeded! I mean, I'm not actually going to, but I at least considered it. I have no conflicts of interest to declare. 
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Women are prone to having vitamin D deficiency. We all need to work together to make sure they get the D.  I'm doing my part!
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Edmonton food sharing company flouts rules, follows in Uber's steps posted:Edmonton food sharing company flouts rules, follows in Uber's steps 'We want to work with Alberta Health...They said no.' - Kian Parseyan
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quote:He also argued that poor nutrition, which can lead to cancer and cardiovascular disease, is much more dangerous than food-borne illness. I swear, the next time I see a paid service described as "sharing", I shall scream out loud. When I share a smoothie, I don't expect my friend to cough up half the price, far less do I expect to make a profit.
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unknown posted:'We want to work with Alberta Health...They said no.' Yet another service that already exists but this one has an app so it's TOTALLY DISRUPTIVE. And it's not even delivery!
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I can't see how amature cooks cooking in uninspected, possibly filthy kitchens could go bad. How do i sign up?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:What's a little e.coli 0157 between friends? It's not as if most people prioritize immediate risk way above long-term risk. Especially when it isn't sharing. Stop corrupting the language to cover your lack of a business!
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nm posted:I can't see how amature cooks cooking in uninspected, possibly filthy kitchens could go bad. How do i sign up? its not a completely terrible idea on a small scale but it gets increasingly worse as you scale because there's certainly a limited number of people who aren't filthy who are willing to do part time wildcat cooking from their home. like the founders of these startups have wonderful fantasies of people connecting and sharing meals but you really need a sweet spot of people who are competent and clean and want to cook, but don't like open their own cafes or whatever or even just host a dinner club for friends. espcially when you incentivize volume and people start to rely on this to pay their bills rather than whatever goofy fantasy of sharing food community empowerment really the problem is when you try to monetize this practice. there's a couple people in my neighborhood who put up flyers about selling home cooked meals, and they'll fly under the radar with this grey market practice. it's when you set up an llc to encourage people to break the law that the problems start boner confessor fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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I think if nutrition is such an issue then he should find a way to set up a charity/nonprofit service and shill for donations.
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Panfilo posted:I think if nutrition is such an issue then he should find a way to set up a charity/nonprofit service and shill for donations. Tom Lehrer: "specializing in the diseases of the rich". Nutrition of the upper-middle-classes is a high priority.
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Home cooking sales is a great idea if you can figure out a way to deal with the food safety issues. It'd be a great way for stay-at-home parents to make a little extra cash, much in the same way as stay-at-home parents who also take in another couple of children as a sort of small-scale daycare. It'd also be good for the semi-retired whose retirement savings don't quite cover their costs. It'd probably involve a simplified set of food safety certifications for cooks who do less than 10 meals a day from their own residence.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Home cooking sales is a great idea if you can figure out a way to deal with the food safety issues. It'd be a great way for stay-at-home parents to make a little extra cash, much in the same way as stay-at-home parents who also take in another couple of children as a sort of small-scale daycare. It'd also be good for the semi-retired whose retirement savings don't quite cover their costs. It'd probably involve a simplified set of food safety certifications for cooks who do less than 10 meals a day from their own residence. All of these are serious problems that you have to address when you have businesses based on at-home cooks. Single businesses owned by the cooks are one thing, because they are formally certified and allowed to serve only a limited range of foods. Letting Sarah make her aunt Minnie's lemon meringue pie with the raw-egg filling is not such a good idea. You want home cooks to kill or endanger their families, no more. * This actually happened a few years ago with a family running a nursing home. Four people sick, two died. Imagine if they'd been cooking meals through a "sharing" company. http://www.grubstreet.com/2012/11/poisonous-mushrooms-kill-two-elderly-women-california.html
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The thing is, if you're in a commercial kitchen, there are eyes on you. (How much they care is another issue.) If you're at home and you're under the clock because the kids get home soon and you take a safety shortcut, there's nobody there to say "No, you don't use the chicken that turned out to smell bad when you opened it." There's also nobody to comment if you ignore the safety standards you were taught when you were certified. Reusing the chicken knife on the vegetables? No problem. Using the mushrooms from your back yard in soup? Knock yourself out.* Finally, a commercial kitchen has high-heat dishwashers that will kill all bacteria, while a home dishwasher (or handwashing!) is a lot iffier. Don't assisted living communities have certified and inspected kitchens?
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BarbarianElephant posted:Home cooking sales is a great idea if you can figure out a way to deal with the food safety issues. It'd be a great way for stay-at-home parents to make a little extra cash, much in the same way as stay-at-home parents who also take in another couple of children as a sort of small-scale daycare. It'd also be good for the semi-retired whose retirement savings don't quite cover their costs. It'd probably involve a simplified set of food safety certifications for cooks who do less than 10 meals a day from their own residence. people already do this on a small scale level though without signing up for Probably Illegal Startup, Inc. the app just provides a larger market... while also notifying others of your quasi-illegal activity. like i can already drive a jitney without tying myself into an app. these sort of wildcat businesses spring up in immigrant communities all the time. when i worked construction the empanada and tamale trucks that showed up at job sites were certainly unlicensed. the point of doing this stuff is to do it in a way that doesn't attract attention, and i certainly wouldn't try to organize my own fleet of questionably licensed food trucks where all the burden is on the truckster and i just take ten percent off the top for 'expenses' wateroverfire posted:Don't assisted living communities have certified and inspected kitchens? yes, and bringing random ingredients you found into a kitchen and cooking them is a big no-no
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Food poisoning is a thing; like a 3k people die per year and like 125k hospitalized in the US sort of thing. There is a reason that it is very tough to get a home kitchen licensed for anything that is not shelf stable. The kitchens in many restaurants, even with the oversight, are scary. Food prep and handling are not something I want disrupted.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The thing is, if you're in a commercial kitchen, there are eyes on you. (How much they care is another issue.) If you're at home and you're under the clock because the kids get home soon and you take a safety shortcut, there's nobody there to say "No, you don't use the chicken that turned out to smell bad when you opened it." There's also nobody to comment if you ignore the safety standards you were taught when you were certified. Reusing the chicken knife on the vegetables? No problem. Using the mushrooms from your back yard in soup? Knock yourself out.* Finally, a commercial kitchen has high-heat dishwashers that will kill all bacteria, while a home dishwasher (or handwashing!) is a lot iffier. The same should go double for home daycares and nannies, yet they still mostly manage to keep their charges alive. There would be a certain element of "buyer beware" with this stuff. Are you a 25-year-old guy with a cast iron stomach? Then go for it. Are you 78 with immune issues? Maybe not. People don't realize how dangerous all restaurants are. I've got plenty of food poisoning from respectable restaurants, but never got sick eating in the filthiest of home kitchens. Restaurants already do a lot of the stuff you are assuming that only amateur chefs would do, such as using the whiffy chicken and not cleaning well enough. Check out this article on a restaurant that was found to be preparing food in a filthy alley. "Eyes on you" didn't help much here. The restaurant had been inspected and given an "A" rating. http://gothamist.com/2015/08/26/prosperity_dumpling_uh_oh.php
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Acinonyx posted:Food poisoning is a thing; like a 3k people die per year and like 125k hospitalized in the US sort of thing. There is a reason that it is very tough to get a home kitchen licensed for anything that is not shelf stable. The kitchens in many restaurants, even with the oversight, are scary. Food prep and handling are not something I want disrupted. yeah. i'm a nine year vet of the foodservice industry. my home kitchen is cleaner than a lot of restaurant kitchens and that's not a humblebrag, it's way easier to keep a domestic kitchen clean because you don't have to follow safe food handling standards at home, not only because it's impossible to enforce but also because it's way easier to safely handle food on a domestic scale than on a commercial scale. i believe that someone cooking for one of these home kitchen startups could most likely cook 12ish meals safely but as the volume of meals goes up, as well as the frequency of cooking, you're rapidly going to run into problems of safe food handling and storage, and if you're going to be cooking that much you might as well just, you know, go work in a kitchen
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boner confessor posted:yes, and bringing random ingredients you found into a kitchen and cooking them is a big no-no I concur. Acinonyx posted:Food poisoning is a thing; like a 3k people die per year and like 125k hospitalized in the US sort of thing. There is a reason that it is very tough to get a home kitchen licensed for anything that is not shelf stable. The kitchens in many restaurants, even with the oversight, are scary. Food prep and handling are not something I want disrupted. OTOH haven't you had tons of meals at friends' houses or at bbqs or in other unregulated and possibly sketchy settings without any problems? I certainly have. As long as a home kitchen's production really is small scale it's not a lot different than that.
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