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raditts posted:Just because they're based on a comic book doesn't mean they have to be cartoon characters. They're not wearing the goofy costumes, after all. I know that most fans don't want to be reminded they're watching a Marvel movie/show but think about the universe these characters exist in. One could argue the entire world around them has already gone full retard and then some.
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raditts posted:I thought Shades was a loving douche with a stupid name. I thought this at first, then experienced a complete 180. Something was so ridiculous about the character, as the season went on he became incredibly endearing. When he (1x12) takes out the dudes tasked with killing him, I was pretty good with it. You get those shades back, man. You need them...you're Shades.
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Oct 4, 2016 22:10
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Bobby Fish calling Diamondback a pimp stormtrooper had me crying, that was a great line
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Oct 4, 2016 22:14
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Oct 4, 2016 22:15
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Carlosologist posted:Bobby Fish calling Diamondback a pimp stormtrooper had me crying, that was a great line Diamondback calling that one dude "Diet Obama", and all of his Obama references had me loving rolling.
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Oct 4, 2016 22:16
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I couldn't identify with the blind guy or the lady or the black guy. I really need Iron Fist because I can identify with a rich handsome white guy who is super good at punching.
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Oct 4, 2016 22:30
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:I couldn't identify with the blind guy or the lady or the black guy. I really need Iron Fist because I can identify with a rich handsome white guy who is super good at punching. What are your thoughts on interracial dating?
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Oct 4, 2016 22:32
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Shades is the best part of this show. If you disagree with me you should tell me what the best part of this show is. I was rooting for shades to win the whole time. Again I have to praise Colter's acting. the man is really good at what he does.
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german porn enthusiast posted:Shades is the best part of this show. If you disagree with me you should tell me what the best part of this show is. I was rooting for shades to win the whole time. Misty.
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Oct 4, 2016 22:43
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Mariah -> Misty -> Cage = Shades -> Inspector Pricilla Mariah was the best character easy.
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Dexo posted:What are your thoughts on interracial dating? I hate it when white women date black men because that leaves less black men for me to date. Also, I will never support a German dating a Dutch.
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Koalas March posted:Misty. For real, honestly it felt like as far as screen time and story focus, Luke and Misty were practically equal parts. Also, I'm a white as Australian so maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't see the respectability politics angle. I saw respect for one's self and one's community, not doing it in order to be appear reasonable to white folks. Surely you can hate the n-word not because you want white people to respect you, but because you honestly believe reclaiming a word that was used to denigrate your race is not actually a self-respecting thing.
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raditts posted:Speaking of Shades, why is nobody at the end concerned with the fact that a guy who is out on bail for assaulting and holding a police officer at gunpoint (and may be suspected of murder) never had to return for trial and can freely hang out with an elected official? Why was he allowed bail in the first place? I know the answer is PLOT DEMANDS IT but still. I just didn't like anything about the way things ended. This kind of thing happens all the time in the American justice system. It's simply business as usual.
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AndyElusive posted:I know that most fans don't want to be reminded they're watching a Marvel movie/show but think about the universe these characters exist in. This same line of argument came up in Daredevil when he put on the suit and I personally find it kind of weak. Millions of people happily queue up to watch Marvel films with more colorful costumes and personalities every year, and similarly colorful costumes and personalities rule the DC TV roost while garnering good ratings every time without issue. It's less that people don't want costumes in a Marvel show in my opinion and more that Marvel television, especially the current crop of Netflix stuff cultivates an aura that precludes it. The show's constantly hammer in how grounded they are, in terms of their scope, the powers and actions of their heroes and even things like the more subdued color palette - so introducing more fantastic elements late in the game clashes heavily with what's set up. As an example, Jessica Jones had a protagonist with super strength and possible flight and an antagonist with mind control from the outset, but there's no hint of a costume involved in the whole show and what little use they make of their powers is mostly just to help them get along, rather than having big flashy moments or any extroverted uses. Luke Cage is mostly the same for the first half. He does raid Cottonmouth's stash on his own, but he refuses to make it a big deal and the closest he gets to a costume is a hoodie. So having someone come in who's explicitly a comic book character in personality just clashes with what the show has established. And frankly it's poorer for it in my opinion. Even putting aside his attire for a moment though, I just don't buy Diamondback as a threat. When he's first mentioned Shades talks about how he'll take Harlem if Cottonmouth gets in his debt, so I was imagining a big time arms dealer or mafioso of some kind who "owned" lots of cities and found it cool that even Cottonmouth respected his name. Then he comes in and he just doesn't come across as someone that lives up to his position. Nothing in his skills or personality makes me believe he is someone who would have the position he has as a prime arms dealer and heavy everyone fears. What's worse about him wearing a costume though is that it's just plain ugly. It looks like he tried to put a coat over the scraps of a power armor to hide he was wearing it, but the power armor is really just a backpack and the coat doesn't hide it at all while clashing with the color and style of the rest of the outfit. The helmet makes him look like Flattop from Dick Tracy or something too. There's nothing about the outfit I like, and while he was wearing it I found myself simultaneously wondering how Hammer Industries went from creating knock off Iron-Men to something that tame, yet a big time arms dealer is acting like it's a major deal to have and why Luke didn't just tear it off whenever he had the chance during the fight. The whole fight I was waiting for him to try and pull off the backpack. Even in the finale when he refused to fight anymore I expected him to pull it off once Diamondback weakened, instead of fighting some more and kind of undercutting what he'd said. Even if not why he'd said it in the end. The thread has stated that his character has Blacksplotation roots I have no appreciation for though, so my lack of appreciation for that probably influences my lack of apprecation for the character since I've never seen any Blacksploitation in my life. I should probably get on Black Dynamite though at least, since it looks fun. Maluco Marinero posted:For real, honestly it felt like as far as screen time and story focus, Luke and Misty were practically equal parts. Yea, Misty seemed almost as big a character within the show as Luke and had a more compelling plot in many ways. I certainly found the climax of her story more emotive, with her failing due to her own issues and having to face it in a really crushing moment when she was told/realized it was her actions that cost Candace her life. The episode where she was talking to the analyst in the interrogation room was fantastic too. As to Luke and his dislike of the N word, to me it seemed less like a respect or history thing and more that he just didn't care for the social connotations the word carries. It looked like he didn't see himself as the kind of gangster or thug Cottonmouth and some of the other people who used it liberally identified both themselves and others they used it on as, and he wanted to just be himself, regardless of who that was, rather than trying to act to a social standard he didn't agree with just to fit in with people of the same skin color. I have even less social context for figuring out what it is though, since the country I live in (Ireland) doesn't have and never really has had any race issues. Nationality is more of an issue here than skin color and thinking about it earlier there may be like 2 black people in my town. Certainly you could count the number of them on one hand, and that's in a population of 20, 000 or more including the surrounding countryside. Checking the population numbers out of curiosity there's something like 400, 000 (in a population total of 3.5 million) black people in the country, most of whom are probably first generation Nigerians, South Africans and so on from my limited experience and I'd imagine most of them are concentrated in Dublin since they're certainly not in the towns dotted around. What little context I have for this I'm taking totally from American television and the internet, and without that I wouldn't even have realized Luke wearing a hoodie was significant going in to the show since that kind of race relations just doesn't play a part here.
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raditts posted:I thought Shades was a loving douche with a stupid name. I burst out laughing when Shades was introduced. That ridiculous douchey strut was just something else. I just finished episode 9, and I agree. With Cottonmouth gone, I feel like it's now it's just puttering along through the remaining episodes. Shades is about the only villain I give a plop about, while Diamondback and Mariah just strike me as 'meh' with their scheming. I did like all of the little touches/callbacks to actual comics, like when he saves his landlady from the thugs trying to shake them down, then says he 'isn't for hire' when she offers him money, or the Easter Egg of his 70s comic costume. Turk Barrett popping up was a fun cameo too, though I didn't realize it was him at first. The kid selling bootleg footage of 'the incident' that Luke goes to for help is quite possibly my favorite minor character, other than Bobby. Other than that, I have to say, I absolutely love the numerous musical performances throughout the season.
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Aphrodite posted:We'll have to see what they actually do in Iron Fist since they caved to China big on Dr. Strange. Considering that China's position is that Tibet is, and always has been, part of China I don't think they'll have an issue with a decannual portal to for real magic China popping up in the Himalayas. There isn't really much, if any, Tibet in Ironfist. As for the fears of White Guy Karate Savior Syndrome, it should be workable if the focus on the diverse cast of past Ironfists. Danny's not even the first white dude to rock the dragon. On Luke Cage: I actually liked everything about Diamondback except his haircut. Luke spent the whole time up to then trying to solve thing without just super punching everything. Building a new life as a hero of Harlem, then the crazy fucker from his past just forces his way in and does everything he can to make Luke return to gladiator fighting for the community. Luke spends the whole series trying to avoid violence when he can while Diamond back thrives by making people attack when they don't want to. Luke reluctantly applies just enough force to end the situation while Diamondback revels in excessive force. I even like his sillyass suit, it fits his insane theatricality.
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Episode 12 Dear Shades: shoot him in the mouth.
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Koalas March posted:Misty. Agreed. There weren't any characters I didn't really like. The scientist was a bit hokey and I didn't care for Diamondback on first watch but some arguments in this thread have me coming around to him.
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Dexo posted:Diamondback calling that one dude "Diet Obama", and all of his Obama references had me loving rolling. Actually, that part kinda stuck out to me, because Ellis is the President in the MCU, not Obama, unless he is still a senator in this universe. Continuity slip or am I just thinking too much into this?
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ApeHawk posted:Actually, that part kinda stuck out to me, because Ellis is the President in the MCU, not Obama, unless he is still a senator in this universe. It's possible Ellis' term ended and Obama started in the time between Iron Man 3 and Luke Cage. (but probably a continuity slip for a cheap joke)
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Oct 5, 2016 00:32
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Burning_Monk posted:It's possible Ellis' term ended and Obama started in the time between Iron Man 3 and Luke Cage. (but probably a continuity slip for a cheap joke) Ellis is still president in Agents of SHIELD.
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ApeHawk posted:Actually, that part kinda stuck out to me, because Ellis is the President in the MCU, not Obama, unless he is still a senator in this universe. Maybe Obama is still a senator? The Netflix shows might as well be a parallel universe anyway. How much time is between Avengers 1 ending and the TV universe beginning anyway? You would think that much time couldn't have passed if some kid is still trying to sell videos of it, unless "the incident" is something else I'm not thinking of.
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Episode 13 Dear Luke: Always have a lawyer present when talking to cops. That is a dangerous lesson to teach others. Edit: Wait, won't they just match the bullet in that woman's head to Cornell's gun? Max fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Turk is the best Marvel Netflix comedic villain. Claire is the best Marvel Netflix character. Max posted:Episode 13 Edit: Wait, won't they just match the bullet in that woman's head to Cornell's gun? How? Black Mariah has the gun.
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raditts posted:Maybe Obama is still a senator? The Netflix shows might as well be a parallel universe anyway. Obama won in 2008, but the attack on Manhattan towards the end of his first term pushed political discourse in a more conservative, xenophobic direction that cost him re-election. IT IS NOW CANON.
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Kheldarn posted:How? Black Mariah has the gun. I get that it's a comic book show so they won't consider it, probably, but if that gun was ever used for a crime in the past, it'll come up in the system when they analyze the bullet. If it was in any way registered or if they know it belongs to Cornell, they can find it on her. But they probably won't do that
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:Obama is president in the only continuity that matters. Obama is the president in the main-line Marvel comics continuity too. 
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:and whose failures (like the Judas bullets, a dumb addition that shouldn't have been added since it invalidates Luke Cage's entire superpowered gimmick) I think those are sorta necessary foils to an otherwise near-physically invincible character. Now, just how the Judas 2.0 bullets were handled and introduced and propagated through to the police was pretty lovely and retarded, but that's another story. But the broader point is that these are superHEROES, not super-POWERED. Their conflicts incorporate elements that extend beyond their abilities, into societal avenues and social/self awareness, even though their abilities dictate how they attempt to resolve those conflicts. Drifter fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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The cops already had plenty of special anti-Luke Cage weapons. Tear gas, water hoses, pepper spray.
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Guy Goodbody posted:The cops already had plenty of special anti-Luke Cage weapons. Tear gas, water hoses, pepper spray. Sure, but those are all non-lethal deterrents, which kind of loses the political point of Luke as a black man in a hoodie being shot at by the police. I think everyone agrees that how the bullets get to the police is a pretty bad misstep, but it's kind of necessary once the cops are after him that Luke's struggle is a close mirror of what's actually happening now in America.
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Serf posted:I feel like Mike Colter has come so far. He was godawful in that limp Halo movie thing, and in Jessica Jones he got the short end of the character development stick. But in Luke Cage he was pitch perfect as Power Man. Not in the vein of the original character, but an updated, modern version. Loved watching him work. I actually really liked that in Jessica Jones he was treated like female love interests usually get treated.
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Escobarbarian posted:Serious question: what's the point of Cage not liking being called "nigga" in the opening/closing to episode 2? Is this part of the conservative argument? Not every black person likes being called nigga. They're still black, tho.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I mean they could've, but then they could've just made a Shang-Chi series instead. I know, I know, "Luke and Danny are Heroes for Hire!!!!!" but in this MCU, it doesn't look like Danny and Luke will even meet until Defenders. It depends on the presentation. Personally, I hope that the asian characters treat Danny as a huge weaboo everytime he starts talking about K'un L'un: "Suuure, buddy, your fortune cookie wisdom is great. Tell us more about those secret techniques the kung-fu masters in the ancient city teached you".  At least until he punches a wall into bits.  tsob posted:Even putting aside his attire for a moment though, I just don't buy Diamondback as a threat. When he's first mentioned Shades talks about how he'll take Harlem if Cottonmouth gets in his debt, so I was imagining a big time arms dealer or mafioso of some kind who "owned" lots of cities and found it cool that even Cottonmouth respected his name. Then he comes in and he just doesn't come across as someone that lives up to his position. Nothing in his skills or personality makes me believe he is someone who would have the position he has as a prime arms dealer and heavy everyone fears. Didn't the doctor tell that the experiment on Luke was just an extension on what they already had done with technology with the sea creature or whatever his cells were emulating?. So the costume makes sense as a "proof-of-concept". Justin Hammer is only incompetent when he tries to emulate Tony Stark's tech level of refinement/awe, his company still manages to make regular guns and some advanced poo poo just fine. Which leads me to Diamondback: his whole deal is not that he's the most ruthless, intelligent crime-lord, but one who has a direct line to all the heavy gear to make good on his threats: the rocket launchers, the Judas bullets, the suit. I too felt it was too much to make him Luke's brother. But after the last episode it started to slowly make sense: his whole hate against Luke comes from perceiving him as privileged for being the recognized son, not very different about how minorities talk about "white privilege": they commited the same crime, together, but Luke got sent to the marines because his father was a pillar of the community, whereas Diamondback went to juvie, then sent to regular prison for killing in self-defense, with no one left to care for his mother. It makes Luke's prison stint and fear of going back to jail also have more sense he not only lost his father's love and support, but his respectability as a member of the armed forces and police officer in the eyes of his community. He became just another number of the statistic of black people that get crushed by the system, and that's pretty terrifying on its own. The final battle also made more sense as a modern man vs. machine Jonh Henry thing. Yeah, Luke could've ended the fight if he just tore up the backpack, but that would be recognizing that the machine is stronger, that being bulletproof and super-strong is what makes him who he is, and that even a gangster like Diamondback can give them the spectacle Luke has become. Edit: I mean, I can easily see how Diamondback would become Harlem's new symbol: the bulletproof gangster that the cops can't just gun down, and have songs made about him and videos filmed of his crimes. With Luke taking on the punches and still coming out as the stronger one, he shows the people of Harlem that real power is not just dishing out against the machine/the system, but also enduring the worst it can deal to you. Kal-L fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Guy Goodbody posted:The cops already had plenty of special anti-Luke Cage weapons. Tear gas, water hoses, pepper spray. Hrmmmm.
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