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Konstantin posted:I'd do some more specific research. Do people who have the specifc positions you want typically have a JD? If so, do they typically follow your career path, or do they have experience as a practicing lawyer? Is school prestige a factor in getting those jobs? It's rarely a good idea to get a JD if you don't want to be a lawyer, I'd consider something like a MLS with a focus in law librarianship. I think they know the answers to these questions already and it is a major factor in their desire for a JD. I've also always been under the impression that law librarians usually have JDs, and usually do not practice law for a while first (or don't have to, at least).
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Law librarians *at law schools* typically have JDs. Elsewhere not so much.
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I used to be able to handwrite a list of open work to motivate myself and keep on task. Now, about one year in at my firm, I get to #15 or so on the list and start panicking as I remember more and more things that also need to get done. Go to law school.
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Oct 5, 2016 01:17
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MoFauxHawk posted:I've also always been under the impression that law librarians usually have JDs, and usually do not practice law for a while first (or don't have to, at least). It depends. One of my classmates took a job at a law school library with a JD, but she also had an MA in library science. Now that I think about it, the law librarian at our school also had a JD. Now, law librarians at biglaw (not that that isn't a dying position) seem to be more on the MLS side the house with no JD.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:20
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Also good librarians are gods gifts to an undeserving industry. I have had my rear end saved more than once by one.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:26
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Konstantin posted:I'd do some more specific research. Do people who have the specifc positions you want typically have a JD? If so, do they typically follow your career path, or do they have experience as a practicing lawyer? Is school prestige a factor in getting those jobs? It's rarely a good idea to get a JD if you don't want to be a lawyer, I'd consider something like a MLS with a focus in law librarianship. I already have an MLS, though I didn't do any significant focus on legal bibliography. I've been working at the same law library since I was a freshman student worker and have gotten promotions at just the right time (most recently, my boss immediate retired the month I got my MLS). Law librarianship wasn't my plan at the time, but I've been doing legal reference and teaching research to 1Ls for a couple years now, and I've definitely come to enjoy the structure of the law. And I've spent enough time in both my school and professional organizations that I feel I could happily stay in the field. Not to mention that a JD might get me out of the dead end pigeonhole of government documents. But I definitely would do well to find some more specific guidance about how JDs do in this field vs MLS only.
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There are also State and County run law libraries, just fyi. I'm interested in what a law librarian at a big firm actually does. Anyone have insight?
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I'm interested in what a law librarian at a big firm actually does. Anyone have insight? A big law office law library is almost as big as my law school's.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:There are also State and County run law libraries, just fyi. Oversee what's left of the print library, manage the firm's subscriptions to online resources, and if they're lucky engage in KM project management. The KM part depends on whether the firm is motivated to do KM, which they should. Your librarian position is much safer if you get to do KM. My boss has an MLS and no JD. I have a JD and no MLS. Ask me anything.
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Oct 5, 2016 13:29
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Look Sir Droids posted:Ask me anything. How about, "Whats the point, when you have Lexis and Westlaw?"
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blarzgh posted:How about, "Whats the point, when you have Lexis and Westlaw?" Our firm has marshaled every available legal resource to ensure that your case is handled in the most effective way possible. Our attorneys had the best grades at the best law schools and also some of them wore little white yarmulkes on their graduation tams. We have thousands of very thick books, many with very detailed and precise indexes, and we employ a crack team of dedicated, expert staff ready to update the pocket parts in those books as soon as those pocket parts come in. No exceptions. That's what sets our firm apart.
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blarzgh posted:How about, "Whats the point, when you have Lexis and Westlaw?" This. As dead and gay as being a lawyer is, electronic legal resources beat the gently caress out of grabbing a book.
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As a follow-up question, do you think there's enough time to prep for the December 3rd LSAT? I've been told that taking it in February is a negative in the application. Given that the registration for the December LSAT is in a couple weeks, I need to make a decision pretty soon. Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 15:40
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ulmont posted:I might have missed a task or two but: keep track of the accounts and subscriptions for all resources, update books with pocket parts and replacement volumes, coordinate inter library loans (other offices or local libraries) and pull copies of requested materials (usually something where the office only has a single subscription). Ours will also perform some non-legal research (e.g., finding corporate information, getting data broker records on an individual we wish to subpoena, pulling dictionaries if we need a dictionary definition from a given timeframe, etc.)
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Mr. Nice! posted:This. As dead and gay as being a lawyer is, electronic legal resources beat the gently caress out of grabbing a book. We have some very good librarians who can point out where to find a source, where to start, etc. which is massively more useful than searching on your own. If, e.g. a client comes in with a question regarding Ohio blue sky laws and how they apply to commodities, nobody at a high-level doing NYC securities reg is going to know, since it's not what they do day-to-day. A good librarian, though they won't necessarily know the substance of the law, will know how best (and most cheaply) to find out, what resources to consult, etc. and that sort of institutional/skill knowledge is incredibly helpful. It doesn't matter if the answer is in a book versus on Lexis when you don't even know the right question to ask to get it to pop up.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:As a follow-up question, do you think there's enough time to prep for the December 3rd LSAT? I've been told that taking it in February is a negative in the application. Given that the registration for the December LSAT is in a couple weeks, I need to make a decision pretty soon. LSAT scores improve dramatically with practice. What was your last full practice score and are you happy with it? Will you have time to practice before 3 December?
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JohnCompany posted:We have some very good librarians who can point out where to find a source, where to start, etc. which is massively more useful than searching on your own. If, e.g. a client comes in with a question regarding Ohio blue sky laws and how they apply to commodities, nobody at a high-level doing NYC securities reg is going to know, since it's not what they do day-to-day. A good librarian, though they won't necessarily know the substance of the law, will know how best (and most cheaply) to find out, what resources to consult, etc. and that sort of institutional/skill knowledge is incredibly helpful. It doesn't matter if the answer is in a book versus on Lexis when you don't even know the right question to ask to get it to pop up. So its more of a researcher for people who forgot how to look up their own answers? I thought that's what junior associates were for.
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Kalman posted:Ours will also perform some non-legal research (e.g., finding corporate information, getting data broker records on an individual we wish to subpoena, pulling dictionaries if we need a dictionary definition from a given timeframe, etc.) WrenP-Complete posted:LSAT scores improve dramatically with practice. What was your last full practice score and are you happy with it? Will you have time to practice before 3 December?
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Oct 5, 2016 17:51
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ulmont posted:That too; forgot those items. I used to teach for Kaplan. A 10 point difference can be the difference between an average score and in the 80th percentile, no? It depends on where the applicant wants to go. But it is true that it's not only practice that helps, some of that is learning techniques and strategy. And all that material is available for free, the courses are good and important for some learners and not for others.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:00
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Buy some of the prep books and self direct your study. if you can't get 170+ after 2 months of practice tests, don't go to law school. don't go to law school anyways really but
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ulmont posted:That too; forgot those items. Ten points is an enormous deal.
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terrorist ambulance posted:Buy some of the prep books and self direct your study. if you can't get 175+ after 2 months of practice tests, don't go to law school. fixed that
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Did we talk about this when it came out? I don't remember. Either way it's purestrain sovcit. http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/image/upload/v1469756334/Notice_of_Jurisdiction_zgyafd.pdf?t=072821 http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/image/upload/v1469756326/Bundy_notice_of_compensation_toc71x.pdf?t=459795
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Did we talk about this when it came out? I don't remember. Either way it's purestrain sovcit. Second paragraph of the last page is certainly correct.
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WrenP-Complete posted:LSAT scores improve dramatically with practice. What was your last full practice score and are you happy with it? Will you have time to practice before 3 December? Whoops, haven't taken a practice LSAT before. I'm starting prep today and I'll see how I'm doing just before the registration deadline. Also, my director said I should talk to the admissions director about all these factors, so I guess that will help answer a few questions.
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Oct 5, 2016 22:56
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TheMadMilkman posted:I graduated from a T3. I passed the Tennessee bar. All I have to show for those three years is a diploma and a pile of debt. Which branch/agency, if you don't mind me asking?
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Mr. Nice! posted:So its more of a researcher for people who forgot how to look up their own answers? I thought that's what junior associates were for.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Whoops, haven't taken a practice LSAT before. I'm starting prep today and I'll see how I'm doing just before the registration deadline. Also, my director said I should talk to the admissions director about all these factors, so I guess that will help answer a few questions. Two months is plenty of time to get there with self directed study. You need to take real, prior tests under simulated conditions. You can order old lsats from LSAC I believe. I'd buy the last ten and take one each Saturday morning until exam time. If you're not scoring 170+ on real tests come late November, then I'd postpone the December test to February or June. I don't think schools actually care when you take the test, because they just want that score for USNWR.
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You can also just retake it without any real penalty, other than time and cost. They use your best score.
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Holy poo poo, I was a 1L 10 years ago. Fuuuuck.
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Did Cooley stop doing their own hilarious rankings? I tried to show them to my buddy who didn't believe that those existed, and it turns out that they may no longer exist. Their cooking of the books was such a wonderful source of annual comedy.
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Today I got placed on a jury. I am a lawyer. Granted, a transactional lawyer, but a lawyer nonetheless. Isn't this not supposed to happen? All my litigator friends think this is insane and told me that typically lawyers are the first jurors to go. Now I'm starting off the fiscal year with a huge billable hour deficit so I have to stress out for the next 11 months trying to catch up. Biglaw firms are just great that way. Don't go to law school; it won't even get you out of jury duty.
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sullat posted:Which branch/agency, if you don't mind me asking? IRS. Boof Bonser posted:Did Cooley stop doing their own hilarious rankings? I tried to show them to my buddy who didn't believe that those existed, and it turns out that they may no longer exist. Their cooking of the books was such a wonderful source of annual comedy. During my very brief legal career, I did doc review with a Cooley grad. He would always say "I went to this school called Cooley" and explain how they did things. Mandatory attendance, suit and tie required, and if you didn't have the assigned cases briefed on paper, you weren't getting credit for that day. I would have failed out in 2 weeks. TheMadMilkman fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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RFX posted:Today I got placed on a jury. How did you screw up so badly? You must have forgot the magic words, "I think all cops are liars."
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Did we talk about this when it came out? I don't remember. Either way it's purestrain sovcit. Are you following the prosecution thread? I know they were brought up over there. It is a very interesting case to follow.
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RFX posted:Today I got placed on a jury. I am a lawyer. Granted, a transactional lawyer, but a lawyer nonetheless. Lmao how the gently caress is this even a thing? Like seriously. Afaik, in Australia, i'm on some sort of magic "Is a lawyer, do not summon" list somewhere.
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What questions did they ask? I had jury duty two weeks ago and lasted about two questions before they dismissed me for cause.
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I keep lawyers on my panel because my cases are all science/reason versus emotion and lawyers are better at.... Strike everyone.
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