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pigz posted:someone who thinks pence is doing so great explain how his shake his head laugh aside bullshit will play well. Tim Kain looks like a mini Trump who can't wait 30 loving seconds before just saying "No u!" EDIT And Pence gets to be Biden.
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TheGreatGnocchi posted:In 1988 Dan Quayle had, what many would consider, one of the worst VP debate performances in modern U.S. history. George H.W. Bush went on to win 400+ EV's. VP debates don't mean poo poo. They don't move polls and many people don't watch them. Not to mention, this debate will be overshadowed by Hurricane Matthew and in five days, DEFINITELY overshadowed by the next Presidential debate. Please don't start freaking out over Kaine's performance.
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ImpAtom posted:Getting absolutely stomped on in a debate where your opponent is making easily refutable lies? Yes, that's being a bad politician. Pence isn't any less a hateful fascists con man than Trump is, Kaine is just getting hilariously walked on. So? What is he supposed to do about it? Kaine says a fact, Pence says a lie, moderator says nothing. There's nothing more he can do about it because he has no objective means to prove Pence wrong. And again, being a good politician doesn't require you be good public speaker. We expect that of people to get elected, not to make law. Don't conflate the two and give credence to the notion that it matters.
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Endorph posted:undecided voters are desperate for a big strong man to tell them everything will be okay, and laugh off their insecurities, and stick their poz dick in their neg rear end in a top hat How many undecided voters are really watching this though? If they're undecided at this point I can't imagine that they're terribly politically aware
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The rubes will think Pence won. When the fact checks come back and show that Pence lied 40/50 times we'll know why.
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FOR FUCKS SAKE IT WASN'T A RANSOM PAYMENT!!!
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There desperately needs to be live fact checking because Pence is just denying things that are direct quotes to Trump.
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Phimosissy posted:People like smarmy assholes see for example Trump exactly trumps debate performance was a disaster, immitating that with a more veneer sheen is not going to be effective also wow the 'little green men' comment that was crazy. Pence's performance is 'no that's not true' about poo poo that will be debunked instantly and most of it is stuff that most independents will know is not true. No one likes to talk to people who sit there shaking there head to refute them. See like there with 'Putin is a better leader than Obama'. Pence refuting that will get killed tomorrow saying ti's not true. pigz fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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There hasn't been a single drat fact check and maybe Kaine would stop freaking out if he didn't have to do the moderator's job for her
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the strength of trump's daughter hanging out with putin's down low girlfriend
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Paradoxish posted:No, it's legitimately hard to deal with a mountain of bullshit and it's actually the job of the moderator to control that kind of thing. The format makes responding to a torrent of lies in a coherent and reasonable manner nearly impossible. I agree, the format is very bad for Kaine and Pence was crafted by Satan for this exact loving role, this one moment in history. It's insane. This debate makes me like Kaine more though. He is coming across as personable and genuine despite his poor debate skills. That's something Hillary's campaign needs.
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Trump has slobbered all over Putin's dick multiple times, it's impressive to see someone flat out lie about it.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:How many undecided voters are really watching this though? If they're undecided at this point I can't imagine that they're terribly politically aware Not many, despite the Arzying found in this thread. When 40%+ of undecided voters say they don't know who either VP nominee is, I don't believe that most people will turn in for the full 90 minutes here to find out. It's not memorable like the first Presidential debate.
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Tim Kaine just has to not gently caress this up. He is basically the middle relief pitcher here. Donald Trump has had such a bad week, and VP debates are such a non-thing that I actually forgot they existed. Kaine just needs to not give Trump any talking points for the next debate. Answer the questions, be likeable and defend Hilary.
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"I think it's inarguable that Vladimir Putin has been a stronger leader in his country than Barack Obama has been in his country," Pence said in an interview with CNN.
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So why did you Reset with a dictator? (Dictators are also leaders, ugh why am I attacking Kaine?)
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I'm not even watching this debate because as soon as the next Town Hall debate happens and everyone remembers Trump is insane and incompetent, no one will remember this debate.
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Kaine can't answer that question as to what went wrong.
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Mike Pence says it’s ‘inarguable’ that Putin is a stronger leader than Obama those darn facts
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My life for someone throwing a bag of dildos at the candidates.
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Kaine's disappointing performance (so far), this moderator makes Lester Holt look like a god. She's loving horrible.
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Jackard posted:There hasn't been a single drat fact check and maybe Kaine would stop freaking out if he didn't have to do the moderator's job for her This, yeah. Any single one of us would be infuriated if put against a College Republican doing what Pence is doing with nobody else there with a loving laptop and Google to be like "nope, that's wrong." When nobody is providing fact checking a debate is literally pointless bullshit.
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The next debate needs a mod like this who takes control, but ALSO fact checks. We're slowly getting there
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Taima posted:I agree, the format is very bad for Kaine and Pence was crafted by Satan for this exact loving role, this one moment in history. It's insane. gently caress you Satan's on our side.
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For fucks sake... Pence lying about the Clinton Foundation. And I mean flat out lying - I'm pretty sure even the AP retracted the over-half comment.
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Coheed and Camembert posted:Not many, despite the Arzying found in this thread. When 40%+ of undecided voters say they don't know who either VP nominee is, I don't believe that most people will turn in for the full 90 minutes here to find out. It's not memorable like the first Presidential debate. Also undecided voters run entirely on gut feeling, so while they might buy into Pence's calm demeanor, they also won't like him doing the smug chuckle thing because it's rude/bullying. All three of them who bothered to watch the debate will say, "gosh, I dunno, they both sounded so smart," "they had good points," "I just don't know..."
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skylined! posted:Kaine's disappointing performance (so far), this moderator makes Lester Holt look like a god. That's a bold and I'd argue false statement
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Dave Weigel is right, Pence is winning on style, but giving a lot of denials of things trump said which can be played in sound bite form tomorrow. So it's a bit of a wash it would seem.
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Taima posted:I agree, the format is very bad for Kaine and Pence was crafted by Satan for this exact loving role, this one moment in history. It's insane. This is what everyone was afraid Trump would do btw. This is basically the only trick that competent Republican politicians have in their bag anymore.
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Lightning Knight posted:This, yeah. Any single one of us would be infuriated if put against a College Republican doing what Pence is doing with nobody else there with a loving laptop and Google to be like "nope, that's wrong." When nobody is providing fact checking a debate is literally pointless bullshit. We had a libertarian from turning point on campus today and I literally did just that when he tried to argue what socialism means.
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PAY TO PLAY drink drink drink
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Paradoxish posted:This is what everyone was afraid Trump would do btw. This is basically the only trick that competent Republican politicians have in their bag anymore. I'm not 100% sure it would work on Hillary after what I saw her do to him in debate 1.
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PAY TO PLAY DRINK.
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