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Zophar posted:Reminder that Pence literally forced women who miscarry to hold funerals for their fetuses. *shakes head profusely* nuh-uh 
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For the love of gently caress Kaine, bring up the loans from Trump's daddy.
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Postal Parcel posted:I wouldn't get too happy right now But it's about sound bites, no one is watching this poo poo except us and r/thedonald. Kaine is winning on that front and Pence is saying a lot of poo poo right now that will play poorly in the coverage of this debate.
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HootTheOwl posted:While Kaine talks over you the whole time. Meh. I didn't like it either, but Kaine was in a no-win situation a lot of the time. Pence was making such finely-crafted BS sandwiches, that it would be impossible in this format to really combat it. I think the main media response is going to be fact-checking and it'll be very one-sided.
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I'd say even, to minor Pence win Kaine doesn't have the personality to attack in an effective way
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Pence is absolutely going to be judged the winner tonight, but how it all plays out in the next few days I don't know.
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Link a good post-debate reaction
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Pence's entire strategy is predicated on a bet that people won't actively follow up on anything he says. It's actually not a bad bet to make. On the other hand, this entire style of debating completely falls apart if there's an expectation that your audience will fact check the things you're saying later.
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Kaine was quite obnoxious through most of that
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Xae posted:So this is a typical political debate where a Democrat tries to apply sensible policy and Republican lies his rear end off and the Media is asleep at the wheel? Yes.
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That was just a complete disaster for Kaine, Jesus. He had to know what was coming, how was he so unprepared?
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Binary Badger posted:I dunno, Pence comes off to me as more of a slickster telling me I need to accept a longer sentence to win the case. Kaine is a LOT more earnest and while he might be harping, Pence's responses to me just make him more punchable. But you're a Democrat, right? People with functioning brain stems know this, but sadly...
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haha Lester Holt's first sentence "...Pence defended Trump's record" NO HE loving DIDN'T HE IGNORED IT ENTIRELY
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So I'm between a tie and a "kaine lost but it won't matter" judgement of the debate. I think the most embarrassing part was two men just talking over a woman moderator constantly.
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I think this was a draw, or at least close enough that this really doesn't matter. It's about what I expected.
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CBS says: "Kaine, the Senator from Virgina, interrupting often, Pence, Governor from Indiana, the more deliberate of the two, but we didn't learn much about either man"
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Honestly I think kaine picked it up towards the end enough that the debate is an even bigger "meh" of not mattering. There was no curb stomping either way, or gotcha moments of neat soundbites. Entirely pointless.
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Goatman Sacks posted:Link a good post-debate reaction Pence's theme song for tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jSWME37As
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Paradoxish posted:Pence's entire strategy is predicated on a bet that people won't actively follow up on anything he says. It's actually not a bad bet to make. On the other hand, this entire style of debating completely falls apart if there's an expectation that your audience will fact check the things you're saying later. If every non-fox media source actually puts fact checking front and center for days, Kaine might not "win", but Pence will still look really bad
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Taima posted:But it's about sound bites, no one is watching this poo poo except us and r/thedonald. This debate won't change anybody's mind, and it wasn't exactly easily digestible in quick clips and soundbites. Basically, a big nothing  .Nucleic Acids posted:Pence is absolutely going to be judged the winner tonight, but how it all plays out in the next few days I don't know. "He did well but *lie* *lie* *pants on fire* *clip of Trump from 2015 contradicting him* so it's a draw!"
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Dork457 posted:So I'm between a tie and a "kaine lost but it won't matter" judgement of the debate. I think the most embarrassing part was two men just talking over a woman moderator constantly. They do this in every debate with male moderators too bud
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That was just awful. Tim Did nothing helpful and Pence dodged every drat attack on Trump and just let them stand. This was a waste of 90 mins. 
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Goatman Sacks posted:haha Lester Holt's first sentence "...Pence defended Trump's record"
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Pence lied his rear end off but he came across as stronger and more collected. Every time Kaine brought up some crazy shitballs thing Trump said, Pence waved it off like it was nothing and whenever Kaine tried to press him, he came across badly. The fact checkers are gonna savage Pence but he was a better debater.
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Wow, the WaPo stream host just savaged Pence
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Knowing this election season the VP debate will get 3 hours of coverage before the donald gets jealous and shoots himself in the foot again by saying something attention grabbing and ostracizing
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Considering that modern debates like this are judged not on mastery of facts and persuasion of the audience wrt policy positions, but on showmanship and delivery of narrative, Pence clearly "won"
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Well, that was just as boring as a VP debate usually is. I thought Pence was clearly a stronger debater in terms of his actual skills at speaking and responding, but he was seriously hampered by having to defend all the things Donald Trump has said, and I was honestly infuriated by how he just shook his head whenever Kaine brought up factual things said by Donald Trump and then just blatantly lied to say "Trump didn't say that" or "Trump didn't mean what he said". If I didn't know anything about the campaign I would probably say Pence won because he was a stronger debater, but knowing that 90% of the things he said were total bullshit means I couldn't actually say that in reality.
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Tom Guycot posted:Honestly I think kaine picked it up towards the end enough that the debate is an even bigger "meh" of not mattering. There was no curb stomping either way, or gotcha moments of neat soundbites. A push is a win in this case
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Planet Clinton will probably have a commercial out tomorrow of Pence claiming things were never said, followed by Trump and Pence saying them verbatim. Pence has a great debate demeanor but you can't win a game when your strategy is to just sit on the goal and let your opponent take shots.
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How exactly is responding to "Donald Trump said he would punish women for having abortions" with "nah he never said that, he's not a polished politician" even slightly acceptable without being challenged on it, jfc.
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ImpAtom posted:That was just a complete disaster for Kaine, Jesus. You realize of course that Pence just created new ads for Hillary? Pence spent too much time rejecting obviously true quotes about Trump. The ads make themselves. Pence threw Trump under the bus in the process. Kaine wasn't trying to improve his own image. Pence forgot the importance of helping Trump.
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Goatman Sacks posted:Link a good post-debate reaction CNN is actually not poo poo. "Pence did well on style, but he refused to defend anything that Kaine accurately attributed to Trump"
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