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haveblue posted:Who won the debate Pence won for himself and lost for Trump.
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Night10194 posted:If Pence really is trying to cut himself loose from Trump and set up for 2020, it absolutely proves he's the poor man's Ted Cruz. That's a Zodiac move, it is. I was thinking about this while taking a piss; he did take a page out of Cruz's handbook. Be an opportunistic rear end in a top hat and just lie through your teeth about everything.
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vyelkin posted:This is in Virginia, probably the most pro-Tim Kaine place in the country. Ok, that helps explain it. Still, if undecided voters in Virginia are as turned off by Pence as these seem to have been, that's one firewall state further reinforced. So I'll take that I suppose!
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haveblue posted:Who won the debate Kaine on substance, Pence on style. It's a wash and won't really help either campaign and it's not the hail mary the Trump campaign needed.
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DICKS FOR DINNER posted:Yeah I keep going back and forth on what happens to Pence after this. He's been a pretty big nothingburger all campaign, but the GOP will be looking for answers after Trump loses, especially if he loses bigly. The answer they'll probably settle on is "Trump was not a true conservative," and what happens to Pence in that case? He'll be the idiot who hitched his boat to the fake conservative orange man. At least Cruz has the plausible deniability of saying he hadn't necessarily endorsed Trump, just that he had stated an intent to vote for him. Pence would be a Democratic nightmare, but I'm not convinced he could swing his way through a Republican primary. He's not loud or obvious enough about his utter reprehensibility and his slick used-car salesman shtick won't work with the rabid base of the Republican Party demanding red meat.
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Quorum posted:Ok, that helps explain it. Still, if undecided voters in Virginia are as turned off by Pence as these seem to have been, that's one firewall state further reinforced. So I'll take that I suppose! Kaine's purpose on the ticket is Ensure Virginia, Have No Scandals.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Pence purposely ignored independent or moderate voters. It's really simple that he would lose overwhelmingly among those groups. He knows that his campaign's best outcome is that everyone who showed up to vote R in 2012 actually shows up this time also.
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CSPAN is all old people calling in and unironically saying "Killary"
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Lightning Knight posted:Pence makes me skin crawl when he talks Me too, he's in the uncanny valley for me because of his expressions, cadence and body language. It's like watching one of those alien lizards wearing human skin in V, or one of those psychopathic pharma reps who go before Congress and cry their crocodile tears about how $50 profit per Epipen just isn't enough.
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ImpAtom posted:I do not loving understand undecided voters. Neither do undecided voters, really. They're basically the whale but not the petunias. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h02a2HSB58M
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Oct 5, 2016 04:14
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I only listened to a few minutes and they both sounded dumb
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iospace posted:Kaine on substance, Pence on style. It's a wash and won't really help either campaign and it's not the hail mary the Trump campaign needed. The idea of an unexpected Hail Mary winning the game on a fluke triggers me as a Georgia football fan, and I would appreciate it if you never mention this possibility again.
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On the plus side: Pence's Putin-bashing has probably earned him a dose of polonium-210 in his sushi.
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withak posted:He knows that his campaign's best outcome is that everyone who showed up to vote R in 2012 actually shows up this time also. It means you won't lose by 8-10%, but you will lose by 3-8%.
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ImpAtom posted:I do not loving understand undecided voters. I think they're ESL students. Whenever a candidate uses a short, pithy phrase that they can hear and translate they get excited. Both had those but Kaine made it part of his overall strategy
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Lightning Knight posted:Pence would be a Democratic nightmare, but I'm not convinced he could swing his way through a Republican primary. He's not loud or obvious enough about his utter reprehensibility and his slick used-car salesman shtick won't work with the rabid base of the Republican Party demanding red meat. Arguably. He's like Kasich. Decent on the surface, but tons of stuff that rile up dems and get them to vote against that in his actions.
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Night10194 posted:Kaine's purpose on the ticket is Ensure Virginia, Have No Scandals. Also to avoid scaring white men.
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Glad to hear Kaine did hit Pence back for his stupid poo poo. After hearing "[Hillary/Kaine's]Campaign is one of insults" I just had to stop watching. I can't sit for 90 minutes listening to someone deny reality AND be loving boring as poo poo about it.
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Kaine got schooled. This was the same Pence we have seen on the trail since the day he was picked, and Kaine was just completely ill prepared to deal with him. People are going to excuse away this performance and say no one cares about the VP debate, but a lot of those suburban Republicans that Trump has lost to Hillary who tuned in would see the brand of Republican that they used to like in the past in Pence, and Kaine came across as flailing and weak. No one is going to care about fact checking the next day. When the voters were watching, Kaine hosed up big time when he should have had been ready to nail an evasive lying Pence to the wall.
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ahahaha "Let me tell you about Singapore, they know how to keep undesirables (EXACT QUOTE) out of their country"
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haveblue posted:Who won the debate You did, since you didn't watch it. You won big time.
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HannibalBarca posted:The idea of an unexpected Hail Mary winning the game on a fluke triggers me as a Georgia football fan, and I would appreciate it if you never mention this possibility again. As a Packers fan:  Rodgers to Rodgers baby!
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Filthy Hans posted:Me too, he's in the uncanny valley for me because of his expressions, cadence and body language. It's like watching one of those alien lizards wearing human skin in V, or one of those psychopathic pharma reps who go before Congress and cry their crocodile tears about how $50 profit per Epipen just isn't enough. I had the shadow of an idea of what women feel like when some creepy dude is hitting on them. He might say all the right things and be polite on a surface level, but like fifty million alarm bells are saying "nope, bad, nope the gently caress out of this poo poo." iospace posted:Arguably. He's like Kasich. Decent on the surface, but tons of stuff that rile up dems and get them to vote against that in his actions. Agreed, but I meant more in the sense of appearances, debates, and the like. He wouldn't fall apart into silly stupidity or have really easy to bait class issues like Trump or Romney. I'm not saying Democrats couldn't beat him, just that he would be really aggravating in the same way Paul Ryan is.
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TyrantWD posted:Kaine got schooled. This was the same Pence we have seen on the trail since the day he was picked, and Kaine was just completely ill prepared to deal with him. This is the only thing people will care about, because nobody was watching. They'll get all their views of the debate from coverage tomorrow morning, which will include side-by-side fact checking.
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Goatman Sacks posted:ahahaha "Let me tell you about Singapore, they know how to keep undesirables (EXACT QUOTE) out of their country" Don't they literally beat the poo poo out of people for littering
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haveblue posted:Who won the debate The people who spent the hour and half doing literally anything else
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Undecided VIRGINIAN voters, I think that makes a difference.
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TyrantWD posted:Kaine got schooled. This was the same Pence we have seen on the trail since the day he was picked, and Kaine was just completely ill prepared to deal with him. Actually, nobody cares about the VP debates. Sorry!
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Quorum posted:Ok, that helps explain it. Still, if undecided voters in Virginia are as turned off by Pence as these seem to have been, that's one firewall state further reinforced. So I'll take that I suppose! Virginia is basically an extension of Washington DC the state at this point. Kaine is bringing nothing to the table.
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Pence's negatives are not going to disappear 4 years from now, and what positives he managed to show in this debate are not going to win this campaign for Trump. Best case scenario is this makes Pence a front-runner in 2020 and all the poo poo Kaine punted on here can be used against him then. The Republicans are not going to win any more presidential elections by depending on the religious right, and tying them to it for another election cycle can only be good for Democratic prospects.
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Probably the sanest takes on the night: https://twitter.com/CarlBialik/status/783504628856029184
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Reminder: Trump has another debate in less than a week. Against Hillary Clinton. With questions asked by everyday citizens.
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OH HEY, GUESS WHAT IN FIVE WEEKS AROUND THIS TIME, CALIFORNIA AND THE WEST COAST CLOSES.
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TyrantWD posted:Kaine got schooled. This was the same Pence we have seen on the trail since the day he was picked, and Kaine was just completely ill prepared to deal with him. Mike Pence is not talking anyone off the ledge
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remusclaw posted:Pence's negatives are not going to disappear 4 years from now, and what positives he managed to show in this debate are not going to win this campaign for Trump. Best case scenario is this makes Pence a front-runner in 2020 and all the poo poo Kaine punted on here can be used against him then. The Republicans are not going to win any more presidential elections by depending on the religious right, and tying them to it for another election cycle can only be good for Democratic prospects. They're probably gonna get worse, since he is gonna spend the next 4 years on the talk show circuit, rather than in office
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Yea, Pence 'won' in the short term but has a lot of questions to answer and did nothing to actually right Trump's campaign. Having your VP essentially deny your platform is not a great idea.
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Roland Jones posted:That was a legitimately frustrating thing to watch. Ugh. Kaine, you disappointed me so much and made me legitimately grateful that the VP debate doesn't matter. Reposting this here while I catch up on the thread, which somehow has a lot more posts than the actual debate thread from the same time period it seems. Glad to see most people, here and in other places, basically agree with me on the outcome here though.
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iospace posted:As a Packers fan: As someone who isn't a Packers fan, that facemask penalty was bullshit. You should of lost.
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CSPAN has taught me that old women hate Hillary and can't die fast enough
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