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Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
Just had an Eden run that was alright until the D4 showed up, and who can resist that thing? I certainly can't, and the diagonal-shooting nails that also whip around and stick to things and explode along with me being immune to explosions really brought it all together. I've had runs that killed stuff quicker, but this one was like driving a drunken bumper car. Getting soy milk on the last floor just made it all the more crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8qWGdU6Ovg

Code for it is at 34 seconds in, if you care about that sort of thing.

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Orange Harrison
Feb 24, 2010

All through the day, I me mine

Gromit posted:

Just had an Eden run that was alright until the D4 showed up, and who can resist that thing? I certainly can't, and the diagonal-shooting nails that also whip around and stick to things and explode along with me being immune to explosions really brought it all together. I've had runs that killed stuff quicker, but this one was like driving a drunken bumper car. Getting soy milk on the last floor just made it all the more crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8qWGdU6Ovg

Code for it is at 34 seconds in, if you care about that sort of thing.

Who doesn't play every room in the chest? A loadout that's good enough to get there is good enough to beat any room it has to offer*, and they often drop more gold chests with more crazy items for dicking around in endgame.

*Except possibly Double-Adversary or Double-Cage. gently caress those rooms.

Drunken Baker
Feb 3, 2015

VODKA STYLE DRINK

Skunkrocker posted:

Keeper would be so much better if you could gain more HP slots. That's all he needs. Being hard capped at 2 is bullshit. At least soul hearts, come the gently caress on.

I raised the idea that maybe health up items should increase your coin slots and soul hearts would still grant flies. That way you'd have no "buffer" if you wanted to trade in for devil deal rooms.

Orange Harrison
Feb 24, 2010

All through the day, I me mine
That's never happening because Keeper's health is based on the ritual of placing pennies on the eyes of a dead person.
If they ever let an item increase Keeper's health, it'll be an item that increases the number of eyes isaac has, like Mutant Spider or Inner Eye.

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.

Orange Harrison posted:

That's never happening because Keeper's health is based on the ritual of placing pennies on the eyes of a dead person.
If they ever let an item increase Keeper's health, it'll be an item that increases the number of eyes isaac has, like Mutant Spider or Inner Eye.

That... would be amazing, yeah.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

Orange Harrison posted:

Who doesn't play every room in the chest? A loadout that's good enough to get there is good enough to beat any room it has to offer*, and they often drop more gold chests with more crazy items for dicking around in endgame.

*Except possibly Double-Adversary or Double-Cage. gently caress those rooms.

Yep, that loadout could obviously beat anything. I just didn't give 2 shits to finish all the rooms. Mystery solved!

e: I agree that double Cage can go gently caress itself though.

Gromit fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Sep 27, 2016

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Orange Harrison posted:

That's never happening because Keeper's health is based on the ritual of placing pennies on the eyes of a dead person.
If they ever let an item increase Keeper's health, it'll be an item that increases the number of eyes isaac has, like Mutant Spider or Inner Eye.

It's weird that he fires three shots by default if you think about it

Orange Harrison
Feb 24, 2010

All through the day, I me mine

Skunkrocker posted:

That... would be amazing, yeah.

They used the same "realist" logic when making the matchstick able to remove the tick, so I can see it happening.
"Realist" :airquote: being used loosely here because this is TBoI we're talking about.

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

Orange Harrison posted:

They used the same "realist" logic when making the matchstick able to remove the tick, so I can see it happening.
"Realist" :airquote: being used loosely here because this is TBoI we're talking about.

I thought they made the matchstick able to remove the tick because there was a longstanding fan rumor that it could already do that?

Drunken Baker
Feb 3, 2015

VODKA STYLE DRINK
Yeah I get the symbolism, but like most of the rest of the cast they end up as deformed amalgamations of mish-mashed junk by the end anyway.

Ok, how about this... Devil Deal items cost coins instead. Only a shitload of coins. Keeper spawns more coins than usual (is there a trinket that does this anyway?) but he instantly vacuums them up so you can't keep coins in rooms for a later date if you take a hit.

IMJack
Apr 16, 2003

Royalty is a continuous ripping and tearing motion.


Fun Shoe
One of my proposals for an AB/AB+ item was a Greed-themed collectable that made you stronger or faster if there were loose coins in the room, and also pulled coins towards you like the broken magnet. The descriptive text was "money-motivated".

I wonder how hard it will be to make that with the modding tools.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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So I may be hosed and have borked the game. I'm doing the "I Rule!" challenge and I'm finally all the way down in the mega satan fight. Except I can't seem to complete it. Whenever I damage his head/hands down to zero he just goes back out of range and then freezes and nothing happens. I've tried exiting and continuing but he does the same thing every time.

How do I fix this? I really don't want to have to do this poo poo over. :(

Ayn Randi
Mar 12, 2009


Grimey Drawer
Did you pick up my shadow from a devil room? There's a bug where the chargers it spawns count as enemies, this makes mega satan (and haunt) bug out and never leave their invincible state as there are active enemies in the room so they don't move on to their next phase

Orange Harrison
Feb 24, 2010

All through the day, I me mine

Ayn Randi posted:

Did you pick up my shadow from a devil room? There's a bug where the chargers it spawns count as enemies, this makes mega satan (and haunt) bug out and never leave their invincible state as there are active enemies in the room so they don't move on to their next phase

I got all the way to the Chest in a twitch stream with the intention of killing Mega Satan and accidentally picked up My Shadow while already there. :(
Luckily I knew about the bug and hadn't entered his chamber yet so I just killed ??? instead.

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



My Shadow: actually worse than not picking it up at all

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Ayn Randi posted:

Did you pick up my shadow from a devil room? There's a bug where the chargers it spawns count as enemies, this makes mega satan (and haunt) bug out and never leave their invincible state as there are active enemies in the room so they don't move on to their next phase
AFAIK, no. I just checked the menu page and don't see the icon for it. I did angel rooms all the way through so since that's a devil item I can't have it? :( fuuuck

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Exiting the game and continuing can work around the bug since the boss fight will restart, so you can just let them kill the charger. Not an elegant solution, but there's something to avoid a soft lock.

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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Dr. Fetus posted:

Exiting the game and continuing can work around the bug since the boss fight will restart, so you can just let them kill the charger. Not an elegant solution, but there's something to avoid a soft lock.
Tried this also -- being trying since last night. Still soft-locks. When the continue start it's just the hands/face, I kill the face and it hangs. No new waves spawn.

Also tried waiting and letting him shoot crap at me, slowing killing the hands only.
Letting hangs respawn and slowly killing the head.
Using tnt/bombs, etc

IMJack
Apr 16, 2003

Royalty is a continuous ripping and tearing motion.


Fun Shoe


Today I learned that if you shrink yourself tiny with pills and run up or down the inner ladder in a Crawl Space, you can fit through tiny holes between the tiles.



And you can go quite a ways off the bottom or left edge of the screen, about another screen's worth, judging by how long it took me to get back on the screen. But if you go off the right edge of the screen,



You go into the Black Market, even though the passage to the Black Market isn't present in the Crawl Space.



You can barely see the pixel that makes up Isaac in the middle of the orbitals. Placebo + 48 Hour Energy + any other good pills is awesome, especially combined with the Car Battery to push things just a bit past their limits.

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


Unless they fixed it, there's a way you can explode yourself into the black market from any crawlspace in a similar manner to that.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

IMJack posted:



You can barely see the pixel that makes up Isaac in the middle of the orbitals. Placebo + 48 Hour Energy + any other good pills is awesome, especially combined with the Car Battery to push things just a bit past their limits.

I've been wanting to get super tiny to go with the screenshot of my giant Guppy, but just haven't lucked into the required pill combo.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

I'm excited for Afterbirth+. It should probably hit within the next couple of months, I hope!

IMJack
Apr 16, 2003

Royalty is a continuous ripping and tearing motion.


Fun Shoe
This is probably known, but if you have the Blank Card and the Jera rune, and pick up a battery and use the Blank Card within a split second, the battery you just picked up is still duplicated.

I just had a very fun breaking run. Dad's Key got me into Mega Satan the first lap through the Chest, then Forget Me Now to restart at the moment of killing Mega Satan, then the first time I actually used a Get Out Of Jail Free card to get into Mega Satan the second lap.

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

I miss being able to use undefined to play the chest like 15 times...

Drunken Baker
Feb 3, 2015

VODKA STYLE DRINK

Grapplejack posted:

I'm excited for Afterbirth+. It should probably hit within the next couple of months, I hope!

How much longer until it hits consoles though? :smith:

Hyphen-ated
Apr 24, 2006
Not to be confused with endash or minus.

senrath posted:

Unless they fixed it, there's a way you can explode yourself into the black market from any crawlspace in a similar manner to that.

They did not fix it. This trick is called the "black market clip," there's a consistent setup to do it with two bombs, and it's used all the time by racers and speedrunners.

I didn't know you could do it with shrinky pills too

Wugga
Oct 30, 2006

I BEAT MEAT

Gromit posted:

I've been wanting to get super tiny to go with the screenshot of my giant Guppy, but just haven't lucked into the required pill combo.



You call that a giant? THIS is a giant:



I actually went beyond that to the point where the screen was filled with one pixel. Fun times with infinite Blank Card.

Crescent Wrench
Sep 30, 2005

The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination.
Grimey Drawer
I've gotten my girlfriend hooked on this game too, and now she's having all the luck. She's on an Eden run, STARTED with Mom's Knife, triggered I Am Error with Telepills and got Tech X... which apparently stacks ON TOP of Mom's Knife?

This has never happened to me in hundreds hours of gameplay. I am jealous (but love that this game continues to throw new wrinkles at the player.)

Guw
Jan 10, 2013

Drunken Baker posted:

How much longer until it hits consoles though? :smith:

Q4 2019

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
I've just had the most incredible run with the lost and then Brownie just... I don't even loving know. He just sped around the room like Gurdy Jnr on crack and didn't stop until he wiped me out. loving hell.

edit: It's a known bug, it seems. :effort:

IMJack
Apr 16, 2003

Royalty is a continuous ripping and tearing motion.


Fun Shoe
I had a Host shoot me from its closed state. I got it with a Fear shot when it was open, and it didn't shoot before it closed again. I got close to it and waited for the Fear to expire so I could finish it off as soon as it opened. And when the Fear wore off it shot me in the face without opening.

It was the room with three Hosts and a bunch of rocks turning the room into a snake-like corridor that makes all approaches to the Hosts really bad.

Drunken Baker
Feb 3, 2015

VODKA STYLE DRINK

IMJack posted:

I had a Host shoot me from its closed state. I got it with a Fear shot when it was open, and it didn't shoot before it closed again. I got close to it and waited for the Fear to expire so I could finish it off as soon as it opened. And when the Fear wore off it shot me in the face without opening.

It was the room with three Hosts and a bunch of rocks turning the room into a snake-like corridor that makes all approaches to the Hosts really bad.

Hahah exact same thing happened to me last night. Thank god for Holy Mantle for The Lost.

Also found out (the hard way) that the stop watch doesn't slow Hush's hydro-tear attack. :(

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

IMJack posted:

I had a Host shoot me from its closed state. I got it with a Fear shot when it was open, and it didn't shoot before it closed again. I got close to it and waited for the Fear to expire so I could finish it off as soon as it opened. And when the Fear wore off it shot me in the face without opening.

It was the room with three Hosts and a bunch of rocks turning the room into a snake-like corridor that makes all approaches to the Hosts really bad.

Yeah this is a Thing That Happens sadly

Orange Harrison
Feb 24, 2010

All through the day, I me mine
I hate that room so much I usually just bomb the rocks and fight the hosts openly instead of let myself be forced to deal with the corridor's bullshit.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

Wugga posted:

You call that a giant? THIS is a giant:



I actually went beyond that to the point where the screen was filled with one pixel. Fun times with infinite Blank Card.

What was the collision detection like with that? Did everything hit you all the time, or nothing, or what?

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


After 200 hours, I bought this on the 3DS.
Aside from some frame rate issues, I'm liking it quite a lot.

BreakAtmo
May 16, 2009

FINALLY beat a Keeper run. All I needed was Dr Fetus, Spoon Bender, Bob's Curse, a bunch of speed-ups, Blank Card and a Strength!

So, quite a lot really. The Chest even gave me a Mr Mega.

Orange Harrison
Feb 24, 2010

All through the day, I me mine
I got all the Keeper marks and am still missing a few Lilith marks just because I can't stand her gimmick.

n4
Jul 26, 2001

Poor Chu-Chu : (
So I'm so late on BoI. It's been in my steam library for years and I just never played it. But I've now mostly completed the original. Should I bother with wrath of the lamb or just move on to Rebirth?

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dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

n4 posted:

So I'm so late on BoI. It's been in my steam library for years and I just never played it. But I've now mostly completed the original. Should I bother with wrath of the lamb or just move on to Rebirth?

Rebirth contains all previous content. It also doesn't carry over saves from the old version.

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