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Mordiceius posted:Trip report on the Final Fantasy journey with my wife: You need to explain to her that more realistic proportions does not equal "better graphics." Have you explained the concepts of "Super Deformed" characters as they relate to Japanese gaming culture and development? I hope you prepared her suitably enlightening reports on these topics.
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Mordiceius posted:We're going to wait until the remake to play 7. That game is a goddamn eyesore for anyone coming to it fresh. The character sprites are a pain but the art direction for that game is goddamn great. My girlfriend loved it, and she started with 8 years before she got around to 7.
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Oct 4, 2016 23:15
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Mordiceius posted:We're going to wait until the remake to play 7. That game is a goddamn eyesore for anyone coming to it fresh. I don't really see how someone that's fine with FFVIII and IX having a problem with the graphics of VII. It's no looker, but I'd say the simple character models hold up better than VIII, but as your wife has shown, everything's subjective.
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Oct 4, 2016 23:54
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion and all but even back in 1997 when I was wowed by the spectacle of FF7 I thought the Popeye models were rough. Twenty years cannot possibly have assuaged that.
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Oct 5, 2016 00:02
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Mega64 posted:As long as they keep Cloud having a train run on him in the hot tub it's all good. There ain't no gettin' offa this train he's on.
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Oct 5, 2016 00:03
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Cape Cod Crab Chip posted:Everyone's entitled to their opinion and all but even back in 1997 when I was wowed by the spectacle of FF7 I thought the Popeye models were rough. Twenty years cannot possibly have assuaged that. Yeah. I first played FF7 in like 2002 and I thought it looked terrible then.
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Oct 5, 2016 00:04
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I thought the SD field models in 7 were bad until I played the SNES games at which point it clicked as a strange misguided but cute attempt at 3d SD.
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Oct 5, 2016 00:06
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I'd have a bigger problem with only being able to use the D-pad to move than with the character models if I were to play FF7 again. At least the in-battle models are of a good quality for the era.
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Oct 5, 2016 00:07
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I think I'd have more reverence for FF7 if I had played the SNES games first. I started with 8, then went to 7, then to 9, and then to 6.
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Oct 5, 2016 00:18
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Shoren posted:I'd have a bigger problem with only being able to use the D-pad to move than with the character models if I were to play FF7 again. At least the in-battle models are of a good quality for the era. You can use the analog sticks to move in the PS4 re-release, for what it's worth.
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Oct 5, 2016 00:19
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Mordiceius posted:I started with 8 This explains everything.
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Oct 5, 2016 00:28
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FanaticalMilk posted:I don't really see how someone that's fine with FFVIII and IX having a problem with the graphics of VII. It's no looker, but I'd say the simple character models hold up better than VIII, but as your wife has shown, everything's subjective. In what world does the ff7 sprites hold up better, other than being dumber?
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Oct 5, 2016 01:02
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Schwartzcough posted:You need to explain to her that more realistic proportions does not equal "better graphics." Have you explained the concepts of "Super Deformed" characters as they relate to Japanese gaming culture and development? I hope you prepared her suitably enlightening reports on these topics. yes that will work, suddenly the thing she thinks looks bad will look good if you say it's intentional
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Oct 5, 2016 01:02
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Tae posted:In what world does the ff7 sprites hold up better, other than being dumber? They are large and simple and all their features are clearly identifiable at a glance. They're ugly but they communicate the visuals. FFVIII's design on the other hand is a giant mess of pixels because they tried to do realism before they reasonably could. Even say, Parasite Eve is a bit better because while the models are still crap they went for simple and clean designs so they can emphasize the features while FFVIII tried for basically more than the PSX could pull off. Like this screenshot is an oft-used joke but it really kinda sums it up:  Neither FFVII or VIII hold up particularly well mind you and FFIX is the only one I'd say come close to doing so. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 01:04
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mandatory lesbian posted:yes that will work, suddenly the thing she thinks looks bad will look good if you say it's intentional I think the problem was with the initial scenes in Alexandria. When Vivi is moving around on the streets. All of the scenes are SO busy and since half of the characters are anthropomorphic animals, the result is you looking at more than a few characters and wondering "what is that supposed to be?" Edit: also, due to the color scheme of the people and the scenery, a lot of NPCs kind of just end up blending into the background and are hard to figure out what they are. This isn't so much a problem in FF8 where pretty much everyone is human and the characters pop from the background more. Mordiceius fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 01:14
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Also, we haven't met him yet in game, but Amarant is still the worst character in FF9 and probably the most forgettable character in any polygonal Final Fantasy.
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Oct 5, 2016 01:20
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Mordiceius posted:Also, we haven't met him yet in game, but Amarant is still the worst character in FF9 and probably the most forgettable character in any polygonal Final Fantasy. I was gonna argue Kimhari or however their name is spelled but they actually do something in the plot other than get in your way.
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Oct 5, 2016 01:49
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Quina not existing probably wouldn't hurt FF9 all that much
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Oct 5, 2016 01:52
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I mean, you can literally play without ever meeting Vincent and Yuffie
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Oct 5, 2016 01:54
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Help Im Alive posted:Quina not existing probably wouldn't hurt FF9 all that much but then who would marry vivi in conde petie DIDN'T THINK THIS THROUGH, HUH
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Oct 5, 2016 01:55
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Help Im Alive posted:Quina not existing probably wouldn't hurt FF9 all that much TAKE IT BACK.
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Oct 5, 2016 01:56
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Tae posted:I mean, you can literally play without ever meeting Vincent and Yuffie And both are more memorable/important than Amarant.
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Help Im Alive posted:Quina not existing probably wouldn't hurt FF9 all that much Lots of bad opinions being posted ITT.
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Oct 5, 2016 02:24
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Mega64 posted:As long as they keep Cloud having a train run on him in the hot tub it's all good. Uh, wow, trigger warning please?? Can you, like, not?
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Oct 5, 2016 02:53
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Yeah, Yuffie having a whole optional sidequest with an entire character arc baked into it did a hell of a lot to make her a more memorable character. Vincent is just kind of a mopey dork, but he has a cool theme song and his limit breaks are neat even if they are not very good. His character design is also more interesting, which is weird because Amarant is pretty strange-looking, but in a way that is somehow not very eyecatching.
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Oct 5, 2016 02:55
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ImpAtom posted:They are large and simple and all their features are clearly identifiable at a glance. They're ugly but they communicate the visuals. I still prefer this to the chunky messes that are the FF7 models. Sure, the PSX couldn't handle finer detail on their faces, but all FF7 could muster are giant anime eyes on them. I was blown away when I first played FF8 after putting so much time into FF7 and I still think it holds up when you account for the limitations of the PSX.
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Oct 5, 2016 03:01
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Yeah, Yuffie having a whole optional sidequest with an entire character arc baked into it did a hell of a lot to make her a more memorable character. He also has an optional memory sequence for his freebie ultimate weapon that ties back into the Turks, Hojo, and his not-dead not-girlfriend which is basically infinitely more than Amarant gets.
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Oct 5, 2016 03:08
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Every time Amarant comes up in the FF9 story, my first reaction is "Who is this again?" He's bland and boring as gently caress. Literally nothing interesting about him.
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Oct 5, 2016 03:22
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So uh... is the countdown just locked at 0 for anyone else?
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Oct 5, 2016 03:23
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Onmi posted:So uh... is the countdown just locked at 0 for anyone else? You are caught in Time Kompression, where the game has just been released for digital download for PS4 and you rush to start it upon realizing this, but because it's TIme Kompression and time is fixed, you are forever in the point of the game just coming out and being unable to ever play it. hth
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Oct 5, 2016 03:24
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As I mentioned elsewhere, mine's got a matter of minutes. 2, as of writing. E: Hit 0 aaaand... nothing e2: Hahaha, the countdown is based off timezone. In JST it runs out in just under an hour and a half. AlphaKretin fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 03:27
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Time Kompression, Kupo
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Oct 5, 2016 03:52
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 FFXV's Moogle is an item! It's a "lucky item" in the form of a plush toy that somehow helps Noct's party out when they're in a pinch. To me that sounds like a summon, but otherwise we're without actual living Moogles in the game. Huh. E: To clarify I'm summarising, not translating.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:40
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Mega64 posted:As long as they keep Cloud having a train run on him in the hot tub it's all good. That never happened, he's complaining about the stuffiness and being crushed by a bunch of muscle men in a small tub.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:55
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Kanfy posted:That never happened, he's complaining about the stuffiness and being crushed by a bunch of muscle men in a small tub. I thought they crushed his b hole. With they muscle man dilznicks?
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Oct 5, 2016 07:16
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AlphaKretin posted:
Direct Translation Final Fantasy XV's moogle is an item! In Final Fantasy XV, the moogle appears as a "Lucky Item"! (Carry a moogle plush doll in your inventory as you walk, like a charm,) and believe in its ability to help you evade all crises and difficulties. It might be able to save Noctis and company when they are in a pinch?!
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Oct 5, 2016 07:34
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You two are playing FF9 two player, right? Probably the most fun I've had with an FF game. Final Fantasy Tactics update: It is really good.
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Oct 5, 2016 07:41
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Open Marriage Night posted:Final Fantasy Tactics update: It is really good. 
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ImpAtom posted:They are large and simple and all their features are clearly identifiable at a glance. They're ugly but they communicate the visuals. You know what Squall looks like though, he's just a guy in a jacket. You don't need a lot of pixels to communicate that, especially since he and all the other main cast members are introduced in FMV. Where readability really matters is in the non-people - your Shumis, your Moombas, your monsters - the things you're seeing for the first time and need to interpret. In FF8 these are all nice and thick and clear. FF7 has easily the least readable graphics of the entire series. There are no textures for god's sake. 
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Kanfy posted:That never happened, he's complaining about the stuffiness and being crushed by a bunch of muscle men in a small tub. come to terms with cloud being a fuckboi
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